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Oh trust me it happens. You yourself might not hear about it, but it does happen.
Man does black face for Kanye West costume because this shit will never end
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Oh trust me it happens. You yourself might not hear about it, but it does happen.
metalslimer
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Man I can't believe someone is making the argument that Asians don't care about being marginalized so why do blacks do? This is a new low for blackface threads. Even if it were true that Asians didn't care that doesn't make it a good thing.
CharlieDigital
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Well, I can say that I've not talked about it with my Asian friends, but it's never been a topic of discussion; just wasn't even worth discussing.
Dude, to the extent that there's a 13 page thread in the matter of an hour or two? Nah.
He's like "Model Minority" incarnate.
Not only does he accept whatever slights the majority directs at him, he also confirms that yes, one member of a minority DOES speak for every single member of that minority.
So you admit and revel in your own ignorance?
Your arrogance is astounding.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Yes. Why are asians less offended than blacks charlie? Guess black people are just too sensitive. Asians having thicker skins must be why they are doing comparatively better.
What a fucking joke. Simply mindblowing..
Maybe the reason you are less offended is because it has less consequences for you. Check your privilege has never been more appropriate... Holy shit.
Im terrified of what dinner conversation topics are like at your dinner table.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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So when faced with thousands of results of Asian people talking about whitewashing and identity in Hollywood, you just say nuh uh?
Is this seriously your response to everything? I don't want to believe you're this willfully ignorant about everything.
Yes it is really blackface, no there is no debating whether it is actually blackface.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Not the worst blackface. But does it look like Kanye? Or is it just Kanye black rapper lol.
CharlieDigital
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Look, I'm not saying some people were not offended by it, but that it was hardly an issue among Asians and Asian Americans.
It's just not a big deal, IMO. Not once did it come up in discussion with any of the Asian folks I know. Not once in a Facebook feed. Not once in a face-to-face. And I'm sitting here right now telling you that I'm not offended by it.
Tripolygon
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Are you joking? I can't tell anymore in this thread.
PhoenixDark
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Is there? Yes, he painted his face which is blackface. But the traditional use and point of blackface was to depict exaggerated stereotypes and racist views about black people. No such intent exists in this costume. Just as no such intent/ill will existed in Tropical Thunder.
ViewtifulJC
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Well I'm glad we have the Emperor of all Asians to decree what is and isn't offensive for a billion people.
Maybe you just surround yourself with oblivious doormats and AREN'T the only perspective and single authority on the matter?
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
I can sorta see where Charlie is coming from, the Asian community has a history of not being outspoken or raising our voice on certain issues. And it's a problem. But over the years we've made great strides in making our voices heard.
That still doesn't excuse most of what he's posting.
Dude, I don't know why you have a hard time empathizing with why this is offensive.
That still doesn't excuse most of what he's posting.
Dude, I don't know why you have a hard time empathizing with why this is offensive.
I understand it. It's a severe problem in this nation, and I actively campaign in my community to increase awareness and fight for racial issues. Unlike your average American, I involve myself in local politics to try to make a difference. The existence of systemic racism is still not justification to make blanket accusations of another entire race. Be part of the solution, not the problem.
Vicetrailia
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In contemporary society people still feel comfortable about pushing stereotypes through blackface.
Here that isn't the intent, the intent is to mock Kanye. Cool, so he can do that without the shitty blackface. Blackface peroid does harm to the people who have to deal with it.
Emperor_EL
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People get in trouble for this shit every year yet they keep doing it. Some people's willful ignorance is strong as fuck.
ginger ninja
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He wanted to look like kanye and he dressed as a clown. I see nothing wrong here.
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I can't understand the assumption that all black face makeup is fundamentally racist. I understand that it's possibly (deeply) offensive in certain contexts, but I can't understand how such malice can be attributed by something on Halloween of all times of year.
I had a (white) friend come to a Halloween party a few years back with a (black) friend of his, the white guy in black face, and the black guy in white face. They kept claiming to be the other all night, would only answer to the others name, even went so far as to swap wallets and present the others ID when requested. It was hilarious, everyone had a great time, people just got to be people.
I dunno, I just can't bring myself to believe that on such a basic level the intent of black face (or other gender/race imitating makeup) for an otherwise inoffensive costume has the intent to undermine, demean, harm, or insult any group of people.
I had a (white) friend come to a Halloween party a few years back with a (black) friend of his, the white guy in black face, and the black guy in white face. They kept claiming to be the other all night, would only answer to the others name, even went so far as to swap wallets and present the others ID when requested. It was hilarious, everyone had a great time, people just got to be people.
I dunno, I just can't bring myself to believe that on such a basic level the intent of black face (or other gender/race imitating makeup) for an otherwise inoffensive costume has the intent to undermine, demean, harm, or insult any group of people.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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There's no "blanket accusation" in saying white people have some racism in them. It's historical baggage. We benefit from the broken system, and any moment we're not fighting it, we're perpetuating it. These are all facts we have to live with.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Oh well if your friend is okay with it, then by all means.
soundahfekz
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You really gonna argue that you aren't a contrarian poster?
At minimum, a school teacher shoulder understand the historical context of blackface and how this was a terrible idea. Whether it's offensive to YOU is irrevelant. It is overwhelmingly offensive to the majority of blacks in America and rightfully so.
Keep giving diet racists a reference point to justify their shitty behavior though. They love Ben Carson for the same reason
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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The guy apologized by saying he's "never seen color." If you're choosing not to see how much of a baldfaced lie this is to black people, then you're choosing not to see everything else that comes with that statement + his costume.
Crumpet Trumpet
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oop, eMASCulated
Tripolygon
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Gentleman Jack
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I worry that this discussion pivots too much on how one pictures how 'big a deal' this is to everyone participating in the discussion, without anybody sharing what they see when they describe 'a big deal.' You've given everyone sufficient explanation the things you don't see as a 'big deal' and it's opened you up to criticism that others must also map their experiences to the same racial economies of scale. You've also left for others to interpret your coloring of the general reaction to this instance of blackface as overblown, as if every black person in America has dropped everything else they're doing to get indignant about some doofus in Alabama. I think a calmer discussion would result from the general acknowledgement that the reaction to this is not really that intense.
Jeffolation
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This isn't a hill anyone should want to die on. Letting this garbage go is not going to deprive anyone of anything remotely worthwhile.
Is someone who is fighting it still a racist? Is a young white person who has been sheltered and never yet met with any racially charged speech a racist?
No. That's why we don't make stupid blanket accusations; because those stereotypes are a part of the landscape of racial issues we face in this country, and they should be discouraged. It's simple and obvious: people are individuals.
Are these the friends you were talking about?
Not Cool Runnings.
We had local show here in eastern europe where they would imitate singers/songs, and when they do black singers, they use the paint... they dont realize this is considered racist and they dont overdo features, but damn does it make my skin tingle with disgust.
i feel like there should be a campaign letting people know worldwide that this is not acceptable, and is considered a form of racism.
Now maybe not every culture considers this a racism, but thats not the point - point is how black people feel in this case when they see it... so when someone tells you this is racist, you should not argue about but rather accept it as fact.
i feel like there should be a campaign letting people know worldwide that this is not acceptable, and is considered a form of racism.
Now maybe not every culture considers this a racism, but thats not the point - point is how black people feel in this case when they see it... so when someone tells you this is racist, you should not argue about but rather accept it as fact.
Crimson_Gold
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Are these the friends you were talking about?
The one in the yellow jacket looks like my Destiny character. Smh
Just because you can do something does not make it OK. One person approving of your actions is not the permission of an entire group of people. And just because you can put the color on, does not mean you know what it means to be that person on a daily basis. It's not OK. Stop doing it.
I'm not saying all situations are appropriate or should be welcomed, but the overwhelming impression is that it's not possible for a costume to include a skin color component without having overtly racist intent. That's just shockingly negative view for race relations in America and for people in general.
Are these the friends you were talking about?
Uncool Runnings
Edit: beaten, of course
Tripolygon
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I've seen that movie.
While I do think this couple is idiotic, I'm not quite sure what OP is expecting here. Yes, every year from now until eternity, you will find dumbasses that do stupid shit. The only thing that makes this a somewhat noteworthy story is that this man is a 5th grade teacher, but OP doesn't even mention that. Guess what... There are still individuals that are part of the KKK, does that shock you? We won't ever be able to completely exterminate idiots from our gene pool, but what we CAN do is try to criticize people with actual influence that behave in bigoted manners. Does a 5th grade teacher have influence? Certainly, but it doesn't seem like that is the OP's focus at all, otherwise I would've expected some mention of it.
Are we ever going to have a year when this doesn't happen? No.
When should we care about it, then? When it's a person of significance.
Are we ever going to have a year when this doesn't happen? No.
When should we care about it, then? When it's a person of significance.
How some folks in this thread sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JLZvjDCunk
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oneils
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Are the discussions too complicated for everyone?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Nope, you don't understand systemic racism. You're more concerned about the word "racist" being attached than actually giving a fuck about racism.
Crimson_Gold
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This forum hasn't transcended to the plane where this type of thinking is achieved
8 X 11 Printer Paper
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Smells like disinfectants in here.
Silver Arrows
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Honestly, I don't know what else we can debate on man. This thread really lost it's legs when Charlie posted his insane spiel.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Well, we can talk about...uh...
OOO! Bad News Barrett just won a match!
*leaves*
Damerman
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I was waiting for this thread to open up to ask why that guy thought it was ok to assume japanese people are "over" the bombs... like...how did you think it was ok. there was a buffer time between thinking it and actually typing it out for you to really make sense of your thoughts, and you didn't take advantage of it. on two occasions. You asked that silly "serious question" and then proceeded to generalize chinese and japanese people regardless of sensitive historical context... sigh. posts like that give you perspective on how much further we have to go.
metalslimer
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Holy shit the bodies
I just want to know how that post came into being, what lead up to it's creation? It is so left field.....
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