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[FeenixRising]

y'all engaging with PDon Lemon for real??

The mjpls avi he got should probably tell you all (who know what the smiley means) that he ain't worth engaging with tbh

 

[dork]

Jesus christ, overreaction much. It's just fucking halloween. Holy shit.
Like I understand if it was any other day and he was walking around like that all the time, but holy fucking shit guys, its fucking halloween, calm the fuck down.

I dont agree with a pass because its Halloween, HOWEVER...this thread is 11 pages about "MAN" yes thats right.."MAN" not a celebrity, not a public figure, not someone we all know....but yes.."MAN". 1 person nobody knows, or will ever meet, or will ever hear about again and everyone is acting like he needs punished lol

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

And him dressing up as Kanye West tells us what exactly about his views on black people? That's a weak argument.

Like I said, if this was a stereotype costume your argument would be valid.

At the very least him making himself look like Barney Fife dipped in shit tells us he's an ignorant fuckboy, and this particular fuckboy is in charge of helping to mold young minds. Not with it

 

[Dali]

Honestly without the sign I would have no idea what he was trying to be.

Are you insinuating that because a lot of black people wear backwards hats he figured fuck it black is black and wore a backward hat even though Kanye's not known to? I'm sure I can find a college dropout era picture to vindicate him!

 

[Milly Osworth]

Dressing up as them as if they're some sort of joke.

Whaaat, you are skipping a few steps here.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I'd hardly say I'm telling black people to "get over it",

Sorry I'll stop you right there because that is bullshit. You asked "When will black people get over it?" and then proceeded to list off terrible things that happened to asians that they supposedly "aren't salty about". What you were doing was exactly telling black people to follow your lead and "get over it".

 

[Marauder Shields]

Charlie I understand what you're trying to say but these aren't the forums to have these level of discussions.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I dont agree with a pass because its Halloween, HOWEVER...this thread is 11 pages about "MAN" yes thats right.."MAN" not a celebrity, not a public figure, not someone we all know....but yes.."MAN". 1 person nobody knows, or will ever meet, or will ever hear about again and everyone is acting like he needs punished lol

Can you show examples of this?

Charlie I understand what you're trying to say but these aren't the forums to have these level of discussions.

Can you elaborate? All I'm seeing is "get over it, black people."

 

[Yaboosh]

Once again, who are you to tell black people what we should or shouldn't be offended by?

The natural extension to his argument is that Asians were in nearly just as bad a shape as black people, but they are able to prosper and succeed, thus putting at least some of the blame on black people for the situation they find themselves in.

I am not saying that is where he is going with his argument, but that is how it seems like he is going with it to me.

 

[metalslimer]

How else is he gonna be kanye? A mask i guess.

Er he looks nothing like Kanye even with blackface. Others have said it but if your costume isn't good enough with face painting then they probably won't recognize it with it

 

[AlimNassor]

Whaaat, you are skipping a few steps here.

What steps am I skipping? The fact is this shit is fucking racist and enabling them is wrong.

 

[sephi22]

At best, it represents being ignorant of an extremely sensitive subject. It's the same reason you wouldn't call a black person a monkey or ape even if you really didn't mean anything racist by it, or you wouldn't make jokes about nooses or chains towards black people. I don't see what is so wrong with people being sensitive to different cultures. It's not the job of the offended party to get over it, not when the topic has as much baggage and history as this one does, it's the role of the rest of us to try our best to be decent human beings about it.

Thanks for replying. I agree with the bolded too. I understand now

 

[PhoenixDark]

Your bullshit ass nu black contriarian schtick jumped the shark years ago dude. It's time to find something else

Honestly I'll dap you for saying it in this thread instead of running into the clubhouse community thread to say it.

I'm not seeing any logical arguments, just personal attacks. There is no stereotype in the costume. If you want to argue it's a dumb costume or asinine sure, I agree. But let's not equate it to actual blackface or "hey I'm dressed up as a black person on welfare, get it?" fuckery.

 

[Newline]

Yes, it would be.

You pricks would block it out

Why just stop at black, we'll throw dressing up as a woman in with it too.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Charlie I understand what you're trying to say but these aren't the forums to have these level of discussions.

How is his original post a level discussion?

 

[Lionheart1337]

Serious question: at some point, will black people let it go? Maybe 300 years from now?

Asian people were brought here and exploited as slaves to build America's railways and as slave labor in gold mines.

There has been a history of yellow-face (e.g. The King and I) as well not to mention the continued white-washing of Asian roles in movies (e.g. Avatar, GITS, etc.) Asians generally continue to be portrayed as feminine, nerdy; they are rarely featured outside of martial arts films.

I'm not salty about it at all. My sister isn't. My mom isn't. I dunno, at some level, you gotta just it go.

Americans mocked Japanese people during WWII, rounded Japanese Americans up and put them in a camp, dropped two atomic bombs on Japan. The Japanese don't seem that salty about it.

Even if you look at China and Japan and the atrocities carried out during WWII including the Rape of Nanjing. Despite all of that, China is Japan's largest trading partner. At some point, you just gotta let it go, IMO.

Disgusting.

 

[Vicetrailia]

The natural extension to his argument is that Asians were in nearly just as bad a shape as black people, but they are able to prosper and succeed, thus putting at least some of the blame on black people for the situation they find themselves in.

I am not saying that is where he is going with his argument, but that is how it seems like he is going with it to me.

The ability to blame others for being oversensitive, for playing the race card, or for making much ado about nothing are privileges codified structurally and culturally."

Indeed he is trying to frame such leverage.

 

[Mr-Joker]

This thread is urm interesting and is displaying a lot of people's ignorants, lack of empathy and telling black how they should really feel.

That costume is in bad taste and fact that the dude is a school teacher doesn't help.

 

[Claude Augario]

Charlie I understand what you're trying to say but these aren't the forums to have these level of discussions.

You're right, ignorance and open racism isn't a level of discussion typically allowed on these forums.

 

[metalslimer]

Charlie I understand what you're trying to say but these aren't the forums to have these level of discussions.

Er what forums would be appropriate? There have been discussions on much more complex issues than whether blackface of all things is appropriate

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

The let it go thing might have a leg to stand on if black people weren't still being treated like shit

But

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Er what forums would be appropriate?

I'm pretty sure "It's been 400 years when will they get over it!" is probably a stickied thread on Stormfront.

 

[BloodyJasonMask]

Er what forums would be appropriate?

I'd like to know this as well.

 

[CharlieDigital]

The natural extension to his argument is that Asians were in nearly just as bad a shape as black people, but they are able to prosper and succeed, thus putting at least some of the blame on black people for the situation they find themselves in.

I am not saying that is where he is going with his argument, but that is how it seems like he is going with it to me.

It's more like Asians can also be offended -- and I'm certainly only speaking for myself and my family -- but we're generally not. I'd say that my perspective is that being offended by an act only empowers the act and the perpetrator.

What I'm seeking to understand is why black people are so offended by such a trivial act and at what point will that act no longer have the power to offend. I can't understand it. The answer certainly cannot be "forever".

 

[whatsinaname]

Er what forums would be appropriate? There have been discussions on much more complex issues than whether blackface of all things is appropriate

Stormfront

It's more like Asians can also be offended -- and I'm certainly only speaking for myself and my family -- but we're generally not. I'd say that my perspective is that being offended by an act only empowers the act and the perpetrator.

What I'm seeking to understand is why black people are so offended by such a trivial act. I can't understand it.

I see more people offended by your easy dismissal and gaslighting of this issue.

This is from your own post you linked above.

But let's be real: "Faced regular discrimination" is not something I would say Asians could compare to what black Americans go through. Sure, there were some names thrown my way when I was growing up, but I don't think I'd call that "discrimination".

 

[soundscream]

Charlie I understand what you're trying to say but these aren't the forums to have these level of discussions.

Where would these discussions take place? Somewhere black people can't call you out for shit posting?

 

[WeAreStarStuff]

Black skin is not a costume to be put on and taken off. Racism is not always overt and can sometimes be born out of stupidity, doesn't have to have any ill intent behind it.

Prefacing your comment with "I am black" does not mean anything, but i'm glad you're not offended.

It's just pigmentation; get over it. I guess you can't wear dif. hair, or be a dif. gender, and etc. for Halloween either. This guy is dressing up as a character, not a stereotype.

And stating that "I am black" had a very specific intention, don't be daft.

 

[Bronx-Man]

Honestly I'll dap you for saying it in this thread instead of running into the clubhouse community thread to say it.

I could do the same, but I already just came off a 2 week ban for hurting Ben Carson's feelings.

 

[Silver Arrows]

I'm pretty sure "It's been 400 years when will they get over it!" is probably a stickied thread on Stormfront.

Stormfront

I imagine Charlie is the token good guy Asian to the boys at Stormfront too. They always need help propping their 'Asians are the bastion of minorities' spiel.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

It's more like Asians can also be offended -- and I'm certainly only speaking for myself and my family -- but we're generally not. I'd say that my perspective is that being offended by an act only empowers the act and the perpetrator.

What I'm seeking to understand is why black people are so offended by such a trivial act and at what point will that act no longer have the power to offend. I can't understand it. The answer certainly cannot be "forever".

The bolded: it's because you're not listening to any black people. You're trying to frame their experience within your own. It would be impossible for you to ever understand it if you keep thinking like that.

Try imagining living forever as a black person in America instead of just being able to put on the costume for a day.

 

[Alcotholic]

Er he looks nothing like Kanye even with blackface. Others have said it but if your costume isn't good enough with face painting then they probably won't recognize it with it

So if a black man dressed like kanye people would instantly recognize it? Its a poor costume in general, kanye doesnt really have much distinguishable aside from his shades. But his costume is a joke if sorts, but i dont think he should be criticized of his use of black face, he should be criticized for his "joke".

 

[metalslimer]

So if a black man dressed like kanye people would instantly recognize it? Its a poor costume in general, kanye doesnt really have much distinguishable aside from his shades. But his costume is a joke if sorts, but i dont think he should be criticized of his use of black face, he should be criticized for his "joke".

Where in the world did I imply that?

 

[FStop7]

Imagine if Han and Lando were brothers from another mother!

How about Keanu and Denzel as brothers?

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

It's more like Asians can also be offended -- and I'm certainly only speaking for myself and my family -- but we're generally not. I'd say that my perspective is that being offended by an act only empowers the act and the perpetrator.

What I'm seeking to understand is why black people are so offended by such a trivial act and at what point will that act no longer have the power to offend. I can't understand it. The answer certainly cannot be "forever".

Try Googling "history of blackface" for starters. This isn't difficult.

 

[John Kowalski]

i don't get it, threads like this are always the same, you'd think after the first people would know better

 

[Bronx-Man]

It's more like Asians can also be offended -- and I'm certainly only speaking for myself and my family -- but we're generally not. I'd say that my perspective is that being offended by an act only empowers the act and the perpetrator.

What I'm seeking to understand is why black people are so offended by such a trivial act and at what point will that act no longer have the power to offend. I can't understand it. The answer certainly cannot be "forever".

So if someone in this thread right now were to dress up in yellowface, you wouldn't say a word about it?

 

[Gentleman Jack]

Can you qualify what about this just screams "RACIST" aside from the "the history of blackface"?

I think I can only answer this to your satisfaction if I know I'm not required to prove racist intent on the part of the teacher.

He wanted to dress up as Kanye. Okay, we're fine here, nothing racist so far.
He put his girl in tight clothes, spiked heels and butt prosthetics. So far so good.
He tried his best at 'hip hop' in his wardrobe with a chain, jeans and a ball cap worn at an angle. Okay...not really Kanye but whatever, it's a costume.
He decided 'you know what? I need a sign telling people I'm Kayne west, in case they don't get it. Let's also mention the fact that he's running for president.' He'll get side-eyed for being kind of blatant, but he won't get called a racist.
He smears his face with black paint. This is when the screen goes greyscale and you get the narrator telling you that it's at this moment Kyle realizes he fucked up. The intent is really irrelevant here, he's joined a long tradition of crossing that line between a frivolous costume and putting skin color front and center of his clown suit. That's minstrelsy. That's blackface. And there can't really be exceptions made for 'oh he didn't mean it like that.'

I can't quote the exact page of Bertrand Russel's works where the set of all things that are racist includes this man's foray into blackface, but compared alongside every other comparable act of blackface, I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He's had too long to educate himself. Now those around him who voice objections get to do that.

 

[CharlieDigital]

Stormfront

I see more people offended by your easy dismissal and gaslighting of this issue.

This is from your own post you linked above.

Yeah, but the important question is what lead to that? Certainly, Asians were imported as slaves even later than Africans and even after the Civil War.

And today, how is it that Asians were able to overcome that? My perspective was that you can't compare the discrimination between blacks and Asians in the US today. I don't think that is counter to what I'm saying here.

Why do you not see the same level of offense being expressed by the Asian community at the constant emasculation of Asian males, the whitewashing of Asian characters in media, the stereotyping of Asians in mass media, and so on?

Again, what I seek to understand is when this trivial act of dressing up as Kanye is so offensive to the black community.

 

[Shao Kahn on the Lawn]

So if someone in this thread right now were to dress up in yellowface, you wouldn't say a word about it?

I imagine that a Mr. Yunioshi costume wouldn't go over any better, to be honest.

 

[Crumpet Trumpet]

 

[The Adder]

So this is how I'm going to do this. I'm going to give you the name of the media they come from, but not the name of the character.

Coming to America

The Walking Dead

Avatar

DC Comics

If you somehow can't identify the character, but are familiar with the media, please explain to me how painting their skin a different color would help.

If you CAN identify the characters, then explain to me the need to paint yourself another color?

And if you try to get cute by pointing out Beast Boy in anything but jest, I'm letting you know, pre-emptively, you're an idiot.

 

[Silver Arrows]

My perspective was that you can't compare the discrimination between blacks and Asians in the US today.

Yet that's what you've been doing all thread.

 

[Imperial Bishop]

Just wait til the Finn (Force Awakens) costumes start to surface.

 

[Dereck]

oddly enough, James Earl Jones is not that much darker than the dude cosplaying him, but I'm sure some people would see fit to paint themselves like a burnt sienna crayon in the name of "accuracy".

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Yeah, but the important question is what lead to that? Certainly, Asians were imported as slaves even later than Africans and even after the Civil War.

And today, how is it that Asians were able to overcome that? My perspective was that you can't compare the discrimination between blacks and Asians in the US today. I don't think that is counter to what I'm saying here.

Why do you not see the same level of offense being expressed by the Asian community at the constant emasculation of Asian males, the whitewashing of Asian characters in media, the stereotyping of Asians in mass media, and so on?

Again, what I seek to understand is when this trivial act of dressing up as Kanye is so offensive to the black community.

LOL WHAT.

Man, just because something isn't in your field of vision doesn't mean it's not happening. I mean, we were talking Cloud Atlas earlier in this thread, and just googling "cloud atlas race" gives you fucking endless discussions, debates, arguments, and protests over how that movie handled Asian characters and whitewashing in Hollywood. John Cho and Lucy Liu also go hard on Asian representation all the time, being that they're pretty much our only mainstream representatives.

 

[CharlieDigital]

So if someone in this thread right now were to dress up in yellowface, you wouldn't say a word about it?

If a pale dude was dressing up as Bruce Lee and decided that a spray tan would better highlight the character, I wouldn't find that the least bit offensive.

I don't find Yul Brynner's The King and I offensive because of the yellowface.

LOL WHAT.

Man, just because something isn't in your field of vision doesn't mean it's not happening. I mean, we were talking Cloud Atlas earlier in this thread, and just googling "cloud atlas race" gives you fucking endless discussions, debates, arguments, and protests over how that movie handled Asian characters and whitewashing.

And you know what? Most Asian folks that I know didn't give a fuck about the whitewashing? I was never offended by it, personally.

When I saw the trailer, I told my wife I wanted to watch it; it never once crossed my mind that the white actors portraying Asian characters was "offensive". I just don't see it.

 

[metalslimer]

Yeah, but the important question is what lead to that? Certainly, Asians were imported as slaves even later than Africans and even after the Civil War.

And today, how is it that Asians were able to overcome that? My perspective was that you can't compare the discrimination between blacks and Asians in the US today. I don't think that is counter to what I'm saying here.

Why do you not see the same level of offense being expressed by the Asian community at the constant emasculation of Asian males, the whitewashing of Asian characters in media, the stereotyping of Asians in mass media, and so on?

Again, what I seek to understand is when this trivial act of dressing up as Kanye is so offensive to the black community.

Once again you don't speak for the Asian community

 

[boiled goose]

It's more like Asians can also be offended -- and I'm certainly only speaking for myself and my family -- but we're generally not. I'd say that my perspective is that being offended by an act only empowers the act and the perpetrator.

What I'm seeking to understand is why black people are so offended by such a trivial act and at what point will that act no longer have the power to offend. I can't understand it. The answer certainly cannot be "forever".

So it seems the solution to your problem is actually to talk to people outside of your family.

 

[Bronx-Man]

If a pale dude was dressing up as Bruce Lee and decided that a spray tan would better highlight the character, I wouldn't find that the least bit offensive.



And you know what? Most Asian folks that I know didn't give a fuck about the whitewashing? I was never offended by it, personally.

You must have a massive ego to assume that your anecdotal experiences represent an entire race.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Charlie man you really need to do some research.