At least for the last 40 minutes.
Man does black face for Kanye West costume because this shit will never end
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At least for the last 40 minutes.
I wil choose to believe in people not getting stupid again.
DerangedHermit
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Oh, you! So innocent and naive.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Speaking of Halloween, what's the deal with trunk-or-treats?
I don't want candy from a trunk.
I don't want candy from a trunk.
It is pointless i know but when we stop believing is when all is lost.
take all the bans as warning guys
ElectricBlanketFire
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I think the OP should get a tag.
TheSpoiler
Whistle past his graveyard
TheSpoiler
Whistle past his graveyard
TheSpoiler
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Mine looks like a klingon by now
Thread title should be "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here. (to shitpost, that is)"
Orbis Tabula
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Now which thread is this?
It ain't easy but someone gotta do it
Mine looks like a klingon by now
Thread title should be "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here. (to shitpost, that is)"
Was told it was the Omega Labyrinth one but with 39 bans so this one wins.
ShinRPGamer
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The Omega Labyrinth thread. However, that thread only had 39 bans to this threads 50.
Edit: beaten
starchild excalibur
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This is an interesting thread, but not one as helpful as I'd hoped in terms of debate and genuine exploring of ideas. There are no doubt useless comments being posted ("Blacks just need to get over it") and stuff to that affect, but also a lot of posts that simply boil down to quoting someone and just commenting on how they're idiots or how "unbelievable" they are with no further dialogue.
As there have been a few black posters in this thread (myself included) who've expressed not finding the picture in the OP offensive, I'm genuinely interested in exploring what shapes the differences in responses towards the image without it defaulting to a "You just don't get it" or "Diet racist"-style responses.
Is there any way for a non-black person to paint their face black without it automatically being racist? If your answer is no, then is there even a point to a discussion about the topic? Is there even a point to this thread beyond it just being an opportunity to laugh at the guy posted?
If the answer is, "Yes, when used as a commentary on blackface," then does that act as sort of a pass to...well...use blackface in comparable ways to the person in the OP? RDJ in Tropic Thunder's character was criticized by his fellow characters for using blackface, but...well, a lot of people still laughed at RDJ in blackface talking with a "black voice." Mac in Always Sunny in Philadelphia used blackface, much to the lament of Dennis saying that it was inappropriate, but... well, people still laughed at how he looked as a black man. The same exact, lazy gag of "white guy unknowingly offending through blackface" is used in That Mitchell & Webb look. If it's a pass for some people and white entertainers know it, does it still make it a pass? If serving as a commentary on blackface is a pass, then does a white guy dressing up as a "clueless white guy donning blackface" get a pass because he can claim it's a meta commentary on white people dressing up in blackface?
Lastly, is there any difference between the actions of traditional blackface performances and the black face itself? I was born in Nigeria, but grew up in the States and - speaking *solely* for myself - what always offended me most about blackface depictions was the intent. It was the behavior. It wasn't that their skin was brown, but that their skin was brown so they could depict the lazy "coon." Or their skin was brown so it could be used as a butt of some anti-black performance. Those performers could have done blackface without painting their faces black just by carrying on with their performances IMO.
It's easy to dismiss people as "just not getting it," but it's not the most satisfying way to have a dialogue about something that not everyone agrees on - not just racists. If the consensus to this post is that I'm yet another person who doesn't get it and should kindly fuck off, then fine. But I'm really intrigued in this debate and - skimming the last few pages - there seems to be a lot of people that are simply using this thread to groan about the fact that people are wanting to have a dialogue about it. Including, yes, those people that may not automatically find this racist.
As there have been a few black posters in this thread (myself included) who've expressed not finding the picture in the OP offensive, I'm genuinely interested in exploring what shapes the differences in responses towards the image without it defaulting to a "You just don't get it" or "Diet racist"-style responses.
Is there any way for a non-black person to paint their face black without it automatically being racist? If your answer is no, then is there even a point to a discussion about the topic? Is there even a point to this thread beyond it just being an opportunity to laugh at the guy posted?
If the answer is, "Yes, when used as a commentary on blackface," then does that act as sort of a pass to...well...use blackface in comparable ways to the person in the OP? RDJ in Tropic Thunder's character was criticized by his fellow characters for using blackface, but...well, a lot of people still laughed at RDJ in blackface talking with a "black voice." Mac in Always Sunny in Philadelphia used blackface, much to the lament of Dennis saying that it was inappropriate, but... well, people still laughed at how he looked as a black man. The same exact, lazy gag of "white guy unknowingly offending through blackface" is used in That Mitchell & Webb look. If it's a pass for some people and white entertainers know it, does it still make it a pass? If serving as a commentary on blackface is a pass, then does a white guy dressing up as a "clueless white guy donning blackface" get a pass because he can claim it's a meta commentary on white people dressing up in blackface?
Lastly, is there any difference between the actions of traditional blackface performances and the black face itself? I was born in Nigeria, but grew up in the States and - speaking *solely* for myself - what always offended me most about blackface depictions was the intent. It was the behavior. It wasn't that their skin was brown, but that their skin was brown so they could depict the lazy "coon." Or their skin was brown so it could be used as a butt of some anti-black performance. Those performers could have done blackface without painting their faces black just by carrying on with their performances IMO.
It's easy to dismiss people as "just not getting it," but it's not the most satisfying way to have a dialogue about something that not everyone agrees on - not just racists. If the consensus to this post is that I'm yet another person who doesn't get it and should kindly fuck off, then fine. But I'm really intrigued in this debate and - skimming the last few pages - there seems to be a lot of people that are simply using this thread to groan about the fact that people are wanting to have a dialogue about it. Including, yes, those people that may not automatically find this racist.
ElectricBlanketFire
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The problem is people were starting from square one 12 - 13 pages into the thread without doing even the slightest bit of cursory research.
http://www.complex.com/style/2015/10/student-nicki-minaj-blackface-costume
Really Nicki isn't even that dark
LaserBuddha
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Dude is smarter than his girl.
http://www.complex.com/style/2015/10/student-nicki-minaj-blackface-costume
Really Nicki isn't even that dark
inb4 Drake's skintone
TheSpoiler
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I suggest you do more than skim a few pages, because most of your questions have already been covered many times over. And it would assist in the context of why people are continuously using the line "diet racism".
Some pages got deleted, but you should have general idea. But at any rate, dialog was given on both sides, and the other side did nothing to abate the racial tirades that pervades these conversations.
To answer your question, black face could work if black people were equal and the world was all rosy and nice. But it's not like that. Black face is still used as a tool to mock black people - to treat them like sideshows. lol halloween isn't an excuse to be racist, or to be offensive.
Even within the context of the article I posted, the dude's girlfriend was saying shit like "people really thought he was a black person lol". Do you think that's appropriate? You talk of intent, and that's exactly what he was aiming for. He wasn't ignorant of how black face is seen in America. He just didn't give a shit.
(I love that "I don't see color" shit, by the way. Classic escape tactic!)
This really goes for yellow face or red face. None of that shit is okay. It's characterizing and stereotyping a group of humans in order to feel superior.
West's pigmentation isn't even his most defining feature! You can do any of these costumes without resorting to being tactless! Grace certain pages on this very thread, and you'll see examples of it.
Black face doesn't need to have the old school acting of "dumb black person" antics. It's the same thing, regardless of if they are at a piano or on some insensitive white person's face.
And dude, don't use the RDJ or Mac thing. Those are exactly what people are talking about in this thread - where reminders of how bad it is and how ignorant people are of the subject get deflected over the act. There's another time you can use black face - when you are reminding people about how shitty that stuff is.
Once again, all of this is on the previous pages. If you really want a discussion, read, do more than skim. Else it's the same song and dance.
http://www.complex.com/style/2015/10/student-nicki-minaj-blackface-costume
Really Nicki isn't even that dark
Drake won.
It's all about tact and respect. You can discuss whether black face is wrong or not in your opinion without "telling" people they are dumb for being offended and/or variations of this. Understand that most people (particularly black people, whether you yourself are black or not) find it offensive/look down upon it and think about that as you express your opinions. Also, it's generally better when it comes to things being offensive or not to express your own opinions as to why you think something isn't offensive to you while understanding it might be offensive to someone else and that it is ok for them to be offended just like it is ok for you not to be offended.
freenudemacusers
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Is it safe to post yet?
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
I don't know but I feel like the 'creepshots' thread was a bit more of a blood-bath.
Wow that Nicki 'costume' is just awful. Would have been so much better if she wouldn't have rubbed what looks like feces all over herself.
stump sock
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every time. and amusing enough, it's one of the biggest signposts of someone with shitty arguments, because if you truly believe all races to be equal, surely you'd notice that some of your equals are treated way worse than others on a constant basis.
all it really means is you're unable to see past yourself and your own situation and you contribute nothing towards a solution.
Evening Musuko
Black Korea
http://www.complex.com/style/2015/10/student-nicki-minaj-blackface-costume
Really Nicki isn't even that dark
I thought this was Ganguro gone wrong at first.
And yeah the skin tone is all wrong and another reason why blackface, on top of being racist, is also lazy as fuck.
crowphoenix
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Depends on what you're posting, or if Bish becomes the Hulk.
Angelus Errare
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I think this thread should be presented as evidence against the use of nukes. I mean damn. Bish dropped the Tsar Bomba up in here.
It really is.
This clip showcases how detestable blackface is. It's not funny, there's never an excuse for putting on dark makeup for the sake of "accuracy", and finally, for the EU posters banned and reading the thread, your traditions can go die in a fire and stay in the annals of history as yet another shameful reminder of how we treat others.
stump sock
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it's 3 minutes that feels like an eternity. how embarrassing to be a human sometimes
Simply Sarah
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http://www.complex.com/style/2015/10/student-nicki-minaj-blackface-costume
Really Nicki isn't even that dark
My god, that's like blackface of Nicki Minaj in blackface. Blackface by itself is thoughtless at very best (And that's being ridiculously generous) and this is thoughtlessness on top of that (Again, being ridiculously generous). I mean really, carelessly make your skin dark brown/black and voila you're now set to be costumed as any and all black people ever regardless of how they actually look! I'm not actually sure which part is more racist.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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OP could use this added in
ElectricBlanketFire
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Could you elaborate?
LookAtMeGo
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Thanks for posting that. I never knew much about the whole blackface thing before yesterday. My eyes are fucking wide open now.
Sure. A bunch of insensitive people vs a bunch of oversensitive people yell at eachother, while the rest don't know whether to laugh or weep.
You do realize that African-Americans are the victims of hundreds of years of ongoing mistreatment, right? If anything we're DE-sensitized.
Evening Musuko
Black Korea
I don't think that a black person being mad that blackface is still a thing in 2015 is being "oversensitive".
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Just let em cook. Seriously, put the clip from Bamboozled in the OP and see how many witty posts continue to crop up
We know at least half the people never read past the OP anyway
We know at least half the people never read past the OP anyway
Aeriscloud
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This thread is too spooky for me. All those gray names.
Gordon Shumway
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I don't think pointing out how hurtful blackface is counts as being oversensitive. A false equivalency to the diet racism (at best) we've been seeing here.
I love it here!
It's official..juniors hate NeoGAF.
LookAtMeGo
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128 posts since 2008. Is that an alt or someone who just doesn't give a fuck about their account?
It's official..juniors hate NeoGAF.
Aeriscloud
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Don't you understand? He is the world, and this thread is America, or something like that.
ElectricBlanketFire
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No.
Simply Sarah
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Remember kids, racism is completely, totally, and utterly over and anyone that suggests otherwise is just being "oversensitive"...or something.
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