good ol' Elan Sleazebaggano.
yes, that's the name of the guy who tried to sell Obi-Wan some deathsticks
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good ol' Elan Sleazebaggano.
The biggest problem with this plot "idea" is that he already overcame the temptation of the dark side in the OT, what a way to ruin a character arc retroactively.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
Those are so fucking dumb I don't even know
If this isnt a direct remake of a new hope then I hope it fails at the box office
"Plinkett" is the fictional persona of a guy who reviewed the prequels in-depth for RedLetterMedia.
Here's his Phantom Menace review. It's great.
You shouldn't.
The argument is that he actually gave in to it.
I don't find them overly offensive but I really feel like JJ is gunning for us to think that as a red herring to make a different twist even more crazy.
UnforgivenTwin
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What is that? A giant Pez dispenser?
Lollipop.
UnforgivenTwin
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Thanks. I just went back a few pages and saw it.
bonesmccoy
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The figure staring into space looks broader than Kylo. Is it supposed to be him?
Yeah they definitely are. I still watch them from time to time though. I think the reviews were so big because they were a cathartic series for a growing generation of people not yet literate enough in film to articulate why the Star Wars prequels felt so disappointing.
So now, critiques become cast off as just spouting what Plinkett said in a sort of hivemind or lazy delegation to him. Really, he's the guy who expressed it the way many of us wish we could, and he did it first.
Bobby Roberts
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Yeah, it's pretty obvious he wants people who haven't been following along with the pre-release bullshit to connect those dots.
What's surprising is how eagerly the entertainment media is helping him push it. Like, they don't have to - especially since they ARE the kind of people who absolutely know for a fact Mark Hamill isn't Adam Driver.
UnforgivenTwin
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So Luke could be Harrison Ford?
Bobby Roberts
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I am dead certain we've already hit those last two at least twice.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
We've alread gone through Harmy.
Both, actually.
Everything's been hit.
Both, actually.
Everything's been hit.
This is a great way to ensure no one can ever get into Star Wars.
UnforgivenTwin
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Yeah you shouldn't watch TPM first. My friend did that and it left a VERY sour taste in his mouth. He said Jar Jar completely turned him off to it.
Is this like the mega evolution of that idiotic Machete order?
Nice - the circle is now complete
That might be for the best.
I think that is the originally suggested machete order, no?
If we're talking evolution, I'm a staunch advocate of the Memento order.
"6,1,5,2,4,3"
(I don't mean to be a dick or anything - I just find SW threads amusing because they all seem to converge toward a common progression of discussions.)
Nah, Machete order is Episode 4,5,2,3,6. Episode 1 is skipped over.
The problem with Machete order is that going from ANH/TESB to AOTC/ROTS to ROTJ is that it's the cinematic and story equivalent of whiplash.
No worries, you're not being a dick.
Funny I learned about this order in the Big Bang Theory.
My opinion was the same as Sheldon's
Coming from a guy who's done it before with a handful of people who hadn't seen SW at all at the time, 4,5,1,2,3,6 actually works pretty well if you do it on a 2 movies every other day schedule.
EDIT: Also, I'm strangely very against skipping 1.
EDIT: Also, I'm strangely very against skipping 1.
Haha yea, I omitted that one as it opens a giant can of worms.
Ah, I forgot that some people skip TPM when viewing machete style.
Memento order is the future.
speaking of plinkett, Im kinda of interested to see how RedLetterMedia goes out for this one. If they do a half in the bag and/or plinkett review
I guess RLM will like it quite a bit but have usual nitpicks. They certainly won't like TFA as much as they liked Boyhood.
They did a Plinkett review for both new Star Trek movies (Even if the Into Darkness one was brief), so I'm guessing they'll do both.
WyndhamPrice
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I'm betting it will be a Half in the Bag special. They've pretty much retired the Plinkett character outside of Rich Evans' onscreen version, and even that they don't use too much these days. It's been several years since Plinkett-as-a-critic has mattered at all for RLM's success.
It's been really cool seeing that group establish itself apart from what put them on the map initially. Best of the Worst is one of my favorite webseries going these days.
OricWindstar
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No doubt. I'm glad Abrams didn't feel constrained to mimic the original movies in that regard.
Bobby Roberts
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Here's a story about George Lucas donating 10 mil to USC to support African-American and Hispanic students
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-lucas-family-foundation-gifts-834907?facebook_151027
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-lucas-family-foundation-gifts-834907?facebook_151027
OricWindstar
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It continues to be hard to fault this man in his real-life ventures.
Bobby Roberts
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Also: RLM's gonna do Plinkett. No way he doesn't. Stoklasa busted him out for one of the trailers already. He knows the whole reason anyone even knows who he is due to the Star Wars shit.
He's basically obligated to do it. Which means (combined with the fact he's likely not gonna have as much hay to work with, and definitely not as much time) it probably won't be very good.
He's basically obligated to do it. Which means (combined with the fact he's likely not gonna have as much hay to work with, and definitely not as much time) it probably won't be very good.
Honestly, nobody really says this, but I blame Rick McCallum for the prequels failings more than Lucas. Ricks job was to produce these movies and a good producer challenges a director. Rick was nothing but a yes man to Lucas and McCallum as far as I'm concerned has no good producing record.
Lucas is a fucking fantastic human being. The best part of him selling Star Wars was what he did with the money.
There's nothing requiring him to do the Plinkett review soon after the movie is released.
Bobby Roberts
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Nah, McCallum challenged him quite a bit. A lot of people challenged Lucas quite a bit.
The difference between 1977/1980 and 1999-2005 is a couple billion dollars and decades of being a CEO first. People told Lucas "no." Lucas told them "I don't care."
The difference between 1977/1980 and 1999-2005 is a couple billion dollars and decades of being a CEO first. People told Lucas "no." Lucas told them "I don't care."
Show us any evidence where Lucas was ever challenged? None of the special features or vid docs show it.
OricWindstar
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It's hard to place the blame on anyone in particular, but yeah, I'd say the lack of hurdles Lucas was presented with definitely attributed to the movies' quality. Could probably say the same about ROTJ.
Haha, though, by that logic, how did ESB happen?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
There's more to the actual production of these movies than the marketing material packed into the special features of the DVD you bought.
There are over a decade's worth of articles, interviews, books, so on and so forth. Although even if we're limited to just DVD marketing material, you CAN see people pushing against George (gently-ish, but still pushing) in that "The Beginning" doc.
There were fights over things. It'd be silly to think there weren't. It's just that you can only fight so much with a guy who is, when you get down to it, simply going to pull cards and say "Well, I'm the guy writing it, and I'm the guy directing it, and I'm the guy paying for it, so guess what."
But that doesn't necessarily fit so cleanly with the pre-written narrative that Lucas is some sort of oblivious ruler of a crumbling fiefdom staffed by people too scared to disagree with him, so it gets dismissed out of hand - even though you don't see THAT on any of the docs or special features, either.
Also, didn't take too long for a story about his donating 10 mil to USC to become a discussion on what a shitty director he was by the end.
ViewtifulJC
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add Ignorant Tyrannical George Lucas to the list gorillaz
OricWindstar
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This shit drives me crazy, especially with the Plinkett reviews. His criticisms with what's in the film itself don't bother me, but when he starts inferring stuff from the special features about what must have been going down behind the scenes I really don't see the point in it. There's no way you're going to know what was going on, so why not just focus on what you can be sure of, which is what is in on the screen.
Granted, it's more the audience taking those thoughts and running with them, but still. I hate the amount of focus on Lucas supposedly being some kind of money-hungry emperor.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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People give all sorts of critical cranks attention, from the solipsistic rambling of Pauline Kael, to personality-less dullards like A.O. Scott and Michael Phillips, to hacks like Leonard Maltin and Gene Shalit. Plinkett, at least, has a sense of humor, comes at film from a slightly different perspective than most (namely, a background in production), and is willing to back up his points with direct audiovisual evidence, rather than just vague platitudes. The RLM guys aren't good critics, merely entertaining appreciators, but I'd recommend them before I'd recommend most professional critics.
More like shit director. The movies themselves are a testament that people fucked up and the buck stops at George.
Personally, I have never begrudged Lucas for the amount of money he made, just that he didn't hand off the chair to someone more competent.
OricWindstar
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That's fine, but doesn't really have to do with what I posted. I was commenting on how it's irritating the assumption people make about George as a person, like that he's in it for the money or he listened to absolutely no one else during production, because of Plinkett's observations. Many people I've talked to treat that shit as fact.
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