Exactly, except when dumb teenage self decided xXxDoomGODDDDDxXx was an amazing gamertag in 2007.
Shuei Yoshida answers about BC (PS3 not happening), Rime, JRPGs and more
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Exactly, except when dumb teenage self decided xXxDoomGODDDDDxXx was an amazing gamertag in 2007.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
What happened to the Sony-contracted new Sega project by the way?
It sounds like a new ip, or did he mean some Yakuza game?
It sounds like a new ip, or did he mean some Yakuza game?
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
lmao dat 2000 friend excuse. just fucking put an ability to fav friends. Its already on XBL. Seriously, as a software developer I cant not for a life of me imagine why is this task so hard.
two fucking years are you kidding me. On XBL i even get notified on my App when one of my fav is online with timestamp
Doug Heffernan
Member
Also, were people really believing that BC for PS3 games could happen?
I didn't believe it for one second.
Sony doing BC would be equivalent to them giving up on PS Now. I just don't see them shutting down that extra source of money. It's the same reasoning behind them turning down EA Access and Microsoft (presumably) turning down Spotify.
Officerrob
Banned
No PSN name change still is an absolute joke
Hexa
Member
It's really not. The PPE in the cell is essentially shit and best used to manage the SPEs that do the meat of the processing and would be a complete bitch to emulate. Furthermore MS in general has better APIs and managed their OS better while Sony did a terrible job starting off with PS3, so that's another issue.
Also the people claiming they could of they wanted to but aren't because of PSNow. Bullshit. Even if it was possible do you think the guys who are taking forever to implement friend notifications would be able to manage it? lol no.
Callibretto
Member
Or maybe the game got canceled. It happens. Look at sony santa Monica project.
Chill Penguin
Member
Name change and friend notification seem like such basic things it blows my mind Sony is not capable of delivering on this.
show me your skeleton
Member
this is the company that apparently can't create a simple linked database, hence the inability to change sony ID.
hodayathink
Member
And another thing:
If they could actually emulate the PS3 on x86 architecture reliably, do you really think they would be running PSNow on the modified PS3 servers that we've been told their running on?
Sumio Mondo
Member
Oh? You an insider too? Mind sharing with us your insider knowledge?
dangerskew
Member
People seem to suddenly believe that PS3 BC on PS4 is a possibility ever since XB1 got 360 BC. PS3 BC was never going to happen and never will. There's a reason that so many developers hated coding for the PS3.
If we have a playable PS3 emulator in the next 10 years I will be amazed.
If we have a playable PS3 emulator in the next 10 years I will be amazed.
Freeman
Banned
Maybe because its not possible? Stores still sell PS3s as far as I know.
RandomExpletive
Member
PS3 BC not happening is super shitty. If they're not able to get it working then they have to totally restructure PS Now. The pricing is absurd for the subscription service; there's no standard for game prices (some Ubisoft games are only available at $17.99 for 90 days); and new games take forever to roll out. It's not a bad service, and while I'd prefer actually putting my PS3 discs in my PS4, I'll settle for PS Now if they can fix what I mentioned above.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
Supposedly there's no fewer than 5 J-RPG projects being worked on--two were meant to come from Sony proper and the other three were most likely joint projects. So even if you assume the other three are happening...they canceled two projects? Did you just give up on directly competing with Microsoft because you're that far ahead?
And for that matter, how bad were these projects? The Tomorrow Children looks like the most niche of niche titles. So THAT was okay but a J-RPG is somehow an issue?
Presumably, he's making that assumption because Level-5 mentioned being at E3 and when you're a developer like L5 showing up to the biggest conference in gaming, it usually means you partnered up with someone.
The comment is about WWS so strictly first party studios.
Partnerships with external developers are possible. They're likely partnering with Level 5 to make a PS4 jrpg for example.
PapaEmeritus
Member
Sadly, and I dont know why, I read this with BC- the failed Molyneux game- as coming to the PS4 and I got a little excited. Wasn't thinking of proper BC- my fault hah.
Shikamaru Ninja
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No. That's what you are saying. Yoshida always refers to the big picture of first-party development and not like forum semantics. SCE has AAA push for their retail games, and JRPGs clearly don't fit that model.
I was wondering what game PS5 was. Then it dawned on me. What a daft question.
gundamkyoukai
Member
We have heard level 5 talking about there new console game and they normally work with sony when it comes to console games .
So unless something change and they going publish it there self then sony is still helping producing a JRPG.
Or maybe it get cancel but if it is happening i don't expect it any time soon .
As I said they're partnering with Level 5 to make a big PS4 JRPG. It's not developed by WWS but they're investing in it and they'll publish it.
Also they have invested in some kind of exclusivity contract with Square Enix for the FFVII remake.
So it's not true that they're not investing at all in JRPGs.
They're not developing them in house.
Sumio Mondo
Member
People really need to come to the realisation that it is really just Square-Enix who are pushing the JRPGs harder than anyone else is, yes, even beloved Sony aren't doing it.
I'm certain an upgraded, higher performance PS4 will not happen. The only thing that's even feasible would be a PS4 that can play 4K Ultra HD Blu Ray movies using a new drive and decoder chip. The base spec for games would not change. But even a that, a 4K Blu ray movie capable PS4 is, at best, very uncertain. I'd just forget the whole thing.
As for PS5, it's far too soon to talk about such a thing. It's not in active development. So it does not exist. SCE would only be discussing such a possibility internally right now, as they've said in the past. It's up to developers, if they cannot realize their games on PS4 at some point and need more machine power (as SCE said) only then, a PS5 might happen. Nothing is set at this time,
Right now, developers (1st, 2nd and 3rd party) are knee deep in PS4 development. Some are working on 2nd generation PS4 games, while others have yet to ship their first PS4 game. Not to even mention PlayStationVR games, just thinking about conventional games.
I wouldn't even think about revisiting this question again with Shu until late 2017, and only then, see if he says the same thing or not. It typically takes about 3 years to develop a console (AMD's words from last year, not mine).
If there is ever going to be a PS5 (I believe there will be) it would be at least 4 years away (2019) but maybe 5 years (2020).
Even Shu doesn't know if there's going to be a PS5 yet, and it certainly does not exist in any form, aside from what Mark Cerny has in his mind while soaking in the tub
funkystudent
Member
Shu on PS3 BC
"NO"
Shu on PS1 and PS2 BC
"*There are no news to announce about PS1 and PS2 classics on PS4"
PS1 and PS2 playback confirmed!
"NO"
Shu on PS1 and PS2 BC
"*There are no news to announce about PS1 and PS2 classics on PS4"
PS1 and PS2 playback confirmed!
Kabuki Quantum Lover
Member
The pricing of Now is absolute shit. The funny part is that it was worse at launch.
Yup, we are also getting Star Ocean 5 thanks to them.
FranXico
Member
That's pretty much the same kind of response he gave at EGX: "The PS4 is not backwards compatible right now; as for the future... well, this is not the place to make any announcements."
theusedversion
Member
That's a bummer about the JRPG comment. I would love them to have another go at one. 
Shikamaru Ninja
任天å ã® å¿è
If SCE signed another project with Level 5, or From Software, it clearly works through the SCE Japan Studio production channel. Which would count as something WWS is working on.
There are tons of JRPGs coming from third-party publishers anyway.
I am sure that I am not alone when I say this but I was hyped about the so called AAA JRPG from SCE Japan.
#BanVerendus
Pretty sure Verendus has said multiple times it's targeted at a western market meaning it won't look like your typical stylized JRPG like FF/Persona/Disgea etc when it comes to character models.
Think more photo-realistic characters.
How long did Xbox have to wait to simply take a screenshot? Both OS teams have strengths and weaknesses.
autoduelist
Member
Androvsky gave you a nice technical answer, but if you want a very simplified analogy that is more 'conceptual' than accurate --
You have a qwerty keyboard and are trying to translate an English book to French. You essentially have access to all the proper symbols [letters], but it's still not easy. Now try to translate the same book to traditional Chinese using the same keyboard... harder, no? The differences of the languages and functional limitations of your keyboard make straight translation fundamentally harder if not downright impossible.
While the ins and outs of emulation are very different so the analogy isn't remotely 'exact', it may help in understanding why 'translating' from the Cell to the PS4 isn't simple simply because two completely different machines [360, xb1] could do it. The Cell is functionally different enough from the ps4 [and pretty much everything else] that emulating it is a beast. You effectively need to emulate the way the Cell works with something that doesn't work the way the Cell works, at all.
Really? Because as a software architect it's pretty easy for me to identify potential issues, not to mention as someone in the industry you should know the team has a huge list of priority projects and so even something 'relatively easy' [which I argue this is not as easy as you imply] can get backburnered. As a software dev, you should be intimately familiar with how easily something you consider important can get pushed down said priority list, as well as how something that 'looks simple' to those on the outside is actually not as easy as it appears.
DangerMouse
Member
My guess as well. No way would he spoil such an announcement, even moreso if it's not imminent, as Verendus has hinted it's still a while away.
This.
Plus Jaffe doing the same just before revealing his game a couple of years ago.
And there we go. As expected. They're not going to ruin such a reveal.
Kindred Dread
Neo Member
What idiot would ask about the PS5?
People should just buy a PS3 if they want access to that library. I feel differently about PS1/PS2 classics because that's a very nice service they had, ongoing still, and to not continue it is strange. Oh well, another reason to keep my PS3. Once Sony's already gotten so cocky they don't have much motivation to change.
People should just buy a PS3 if they want access to that library. I feel differently about PS1/PS2 classics because that's a very nice service they had, ongoing still, and to not continue it is strange. Oh well, another reason to keep my PS3. Once Sony's already gotten so cocky they don't have much motivation to change.
...I never expected PS3 BC, and i don't expect total PS1 and PS2 BC either, approved classics on the store is all i expect, although hopefully the library is actually much higher than on the PS3.
PS5 answer makes sense, as they literally will not confirm something like that, even if its in development as a prototype concept, cause its not officially PS5 at the moment.
No PS4 first party JRPG's also hurts, but i think JRPG exclusives by default still take up a significant portion of the PS4's anticipated library, which is great from third parties.
#BANVerendus
PS5 answer makes sense, as they literally will not confirm something like that, even if its in development as a prototype concept, cause its not officially PS5 at the moment.
No PS4 first party JRPG's also hurts, but i think JRPG exclusives by default still take up a significant portion of the PS4's anticipated library, which is great from third parties.
#BANVerendus
inpHilltr8r
Member
I wonder if they use the PSN name as their primary key for identifying you, rather than a unique user number. That would make it pervasive throughout their systems, and really hard to change.
Lalalandia
Member
Wow Dualshockers smug much? About noticing the obvious? Nothing that's new here at all, PS3 BC was always going to be impossible and the 'we're working on it' has been the stock answer for ages on the PSN stuff.