Colbert's Guess on the Plot of the movie, sounds interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-Ff40Xre4o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-Ff40Xre4o
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Star Wars: The Force Awakens Final Trailer
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DiipuSurotu
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They're not completely separate when the PT actively bleeds over the original movies.
efyu_lemonardo
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Just watched this short segment from 2012 in which Christensen and Lucas asked each other questions sent in by viewers.
Towards the end Lucas talks about the meaning of independent films, to him, by referencing some of the less popular decisions he made when writing episode I. He correctly states that a studio would probably have objected to making a film starring a nine year old boy, and that fans would have likely been happier with an older protagonist as well.
I wonder how much of that is hindsight and how much was he aware of in 98 when shooting the phantom menace?
One of the things I admire about the man is his ability to remain independent, and he talks about the phantom menace in that segment as if he knew going into it that he was making unpopular choices for the sake of experimentation (which is something he has every right to do since their his films, but if it was intentional I wish he could be more open about it). We'll probably never know for certain but it's something I may never be able to stop wondering about.
Towards the end Lucas talks about the meaning of independent films, to him, by referencing some of the less popular decisions he made when writing episode I. He correctly states that a studio would probably have objected to making a film starring a nine year old boy, and that fans would have likely been happier with an older protagonist as well.
I wonder how much of that is hindsight and how much was he aware of in 98 when shooting the phantom menace?
One of the things I admire about the man is his ability to remain independent, and he talks about the phantom menace in that segment as if he knew going into it that he was making unpopular choices for the sake of experimentation (which is something he has every right to do since their his films, but if it was intentional I wish he could be more open about it). We'll probably never know for certain but it's something I may never be able to stop wondering about.
Jill Sandwich
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This makes no fecking sense. Darth/Anakin died OLD, like Yoda and Obi-Wan. Don't give me any shit about Anakin 'dying' when he turned to the dark side.
2012? That was a few months before ROTS came out in 2005. I remember watching it when it first came out lol.
Yep, especially since Luke (kinda) saw what Vader aka Anakins face looks like when he removed his helm.
darkazcura
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I don't understand this. For 3D there is nothing better than 48 FPS. It's unfortunate it didn't catch on.
Chezzymann
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Isn't it true that the framerate is halved in 3D? So youd be seeing 24 fps. While with regular 3D you'd be seeing 15
The movie looks far different. And its far more expensive, why should I pay 5 more for a ruined picture?
robertsan21
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Cause you dont want to watch a blurry 3D movie?
It's like po.... etc etc.
Oh, maybe something with your theather is broken, mine isnt blurry.
Still, would prefer a blurry 3D movie with that 24 fps cinema look over a not blurry 48 fps movie where it looks like the actors are jumping around on a theater stage
I even bet that the very first frame from this trailer comes right after the opening scroll. (you see.. it looks like stars).
Spiritreaver
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There aren't enough Star Wars games coming out alongside this movie. I think it's just Battlefront, that meh mobile game that's out, and the SWTOR expansion. I guess Infinity counts too. Maybe I'm missing something?
Maybe I'm just being overly nostalgic, but I miss those prequel era games. I wonder what we'll see next year.
Maybe I'm just being overly nostalgic, but I miss those prequel era games. I wonder what we'll see next year.
robertsan21
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No its the same all over, the 3D effect blues shit at the sides when its fast paced action.
I get that mate, I agree that it looks fake. BUT as I mentioned before the special effects needs to be SPOT on all the time for the HFR to work properly and to get that "film" look..
Hopefully in the future they can get that stuff right
Yeah it really sucks when creators have the freedom to use more than one arbitrarily chosen standard.
No, this isn't true at all.
Regardless if it was popular or not there is no chance in hell Abrams (or Johnson with Episode 8) would ever shoot this digitally.
efyu_lemonardo
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should've known better than to assume the youtube date had any meaningful relation to the original date the segment was aired..
Still, Lucas' comments raise some questions.
Man, I'd kill for a decent Jedi Knight sequel right about now.
High frame rate is king. Hopefully James Cameron changes his mind and goes full-on 60fps for the Avatar Sequels (as opposed to the reported 48).
While some live action shots looked strange in the Hobbit, the majority of the CGI only shots were utterly incredible. Out of the trilogy there was only one great scene - a scene where 48 fps worked quite well: the entire Smaug sequence in part 2. The CGI looked lifelike with 48fps, the vast interior where our titular villain resided had an incredible depth and had a rich texture. And this was a sequence where Jackson's penchant for sweeping the camera (As if it had wings) worked quite well. The scale, the realism, everything clicked.
I think more blockbusters should strive to use the latest technology; and while film stock looks gorgeous and has an incredible dynamic range, I think digital is superior in exhibition, in editing, and archiving. A film projector will degrade the film, and after two weekends the visuals become soft, scratch marks rear up their heads, dust specks pop up, and I will forever hate the distracting ass cigarette burn in the corner every 12 minutes.
I don't know how the argument of 48 frames started on this thread, but I just wanted to throw my two cents at the table
While some live action shots looked strange in the Hobbit, the majority of the CGI only shots were utterly incredible. Out of the trilogy there was only one great scene - a scene where 48 fps worked quite well: the entire Smaug sequence in part 2. The CGI looked lifelike with 48fps, the vast interior where our titular villain resided had an incredible depth and had a rich texture. And this was a sequence where Jackson's penchant for sweeping the camera (As if it had wings) worked quite well. The scale, the realism, everything clicked.
I think more blockbusters should strive to use the latest technology; and while film stock looks gorgeous and has an incredible dynamic range, I think digital is superior in exhibition, in editing, and archiving. A film projector will degrade the film, and after two weekends the visuals become soft, scratch marks rear up their heads, dust specks pop up, and I will forever hate the distracting ass cigarette burn in the corner every 12 minutes.
I don't know how the argument of 48 frames started on this thread, but I just wanted to throw my two cents at the table
trudderham
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I even bet that the very first frame from this trailer comes right after the opening scroll. (you see.. it looks like stars).
Geez, I think you're onto something there.
No, it's still running at 48fps. You're getting 48fps for each eye, which means the film is actually running at 96fps from a technical perspective.
Lights and Waves
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They're not completely separate when the PT actively bleeds over the original movies.
The worst thing about this whole sequence is the fact that Anakin isn't even facing the right way.
brandonh83
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He isn't even acting. This was a wardrobe test for ROTS. He had no idea.
yup
just like SO many other things in these movies (and the re-releases of the OT) it's so confusingly half assed
for the amount of money put into star wars, it's baffling how much they don't seem to give a shit
efyu_lemonardo
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I even bet that the very first frame from this trailer comes right after the opening scroll. (you see.. it looks like stars).
man, that would be pretty cool. Now I feel like I've been spoiled!
I even bet that the very first frame from this trailer comes right after the opening scroll. (you see.. it looks like stars).
If they do that it's extremely clever.
Hell it's great that it's even plausible.
Same. It's the superior 3 D format
Genesis Knight
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I even bet that the very first frame from this trailer comes right after the opening scroll. (you see.. it looks like stars).
It will probably still start with an "enemy" ship like the other movies, a Star Destroyer or something. And then this would be the first non-space scene perhaps.
1) title crawl
2) space scene of ship, probably Empire
3) nifty cut from outer space and stars to the gif'd scene
I hope its that way.
Lights and Waves
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This was a recurring theme through out all of his movies.
Ewan is a bright spot in the prequels. I've always felt Jackson and Portman were miles worse than Hayden. I mean, Hayden was trying. Nobody stood a chance in AotC, but he did a decent job in RotS.
efyu_lemonardo
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have you seen his other work?
Bobby Roberts
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They're not completely separate when the PT actively bleeds over the original movies.
And that quick moment isn't "movie ruining" at all, just like any other individually not great moment in Return of the Jedi isn't "movie ruining." The accumulation of poor moments drags the overall quality of the film down, though. And while Costume Test Christensen leering out at the audience at the end of Jedi does suck, by that point, the movie's either worked or it hasn't. The Prequels have nothing to do with whether Jedi does what it set out to do as a film. They were made over a decade later.
Also HFR is pretty much a failure and I'm not at all surprised nobody's going back to it. I'm sure it'll be THE technological advancement Cameron pushes hard to distract people from the fact they dont' really give a shit about Avatar's universe anymore, and that's gonna be a problem for him. Instead of convincing people "no - trust me. This is 3D the way you're supposed to be seeing it" he has to convince people "no - you'll like watching a movie that moves like Sunday Night Football does."
I honestly think the latter is harder than the former.
And I'm really glad Force Awakens isn't even bothering with that.
Fine Ham Abounds
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I even bet that the very first frame from this trailer comes right after the opening scroll. (you see.. it looks like stars).
Excellent catch, but yeah I felt judging by the trailer that the approach they were taking was that the movie would start by introducing Rey as a scavenger with the slow realization she's inside a crashed destroyer. The old world is in pieces and forgotten and the new world is built upon its ashes. She draws back the curtain for the audience, returning them to a place they've wanted to return to for 30 years. It's like all symbolic and junk
But..I...I theorized this first 20-something pages ago
But..I...I theorized this first 20-something pages ago
And I reiterated that it was an existing theory just a few pages back!
It's like poe... *sigh*
My only two issues with that Anakin/Obi-Wan duel of Episode 3 is:
1) It goes on for about two minutes too long. The first part of the fight, up until they clash with the Lava explosion behind them (awesome imagery) was fantastic. The choreography is on point, and you feel their frustration and aggression as they fight. After the clash, it just goes on for too long. I think the swinging from ropes, floating on lava robots should have been cut, and another way to get them to the end of the fight would have been better.
2) Because the Anakin/Obi-Wan relationship was bungled in the previous movies, the emotional impact of their battle just wasn't there. I feel like I should have been in tears seeing these two best friends fighting each other and it all ending that way for them. It should have been gut wrenching and sad. But because Anakin as presented in the 3 prequel movies is so incredibly unlikable, I just couldn't wait to see Obi-Wan school the uppity little fucker.
I'm currently watching the Clone Wars cartoon, and I think Anakin and Obi-Wan's relationship is handled so so so much better there, that I'm thinking of revisiting Episode 3 once I finish the series, and see if, with the better characterization of the Clone Wars in my head, adds any extra weight to that final conflict.
I don't have as many problems with Episode 3 and it is the best of the prequels in my opinion, but the writing is still sub-par, and the acting is still sub-par. Some of the visuals are great. Some aren't. The final battle isn't one of the things I find fault with with the movie, nor the opening space battle (which I thought felt very fun and Star Wars). It really wasn't until they got back to Coruscant after rescuing Palpatine that the movie nose dives for me until the very end. I do think the Opera scene was well done, and had some great lighting and music, and a creepy undertone to it. I actually wish Episode 3 was Episode 2 of the prequels, and Episode 3 could have been Darth Vader in the suit, and Obi-Wan reeling from the loss of his friend and his failure, and eventually going into hiding while Vader hunts down and wipes out the rest of the Jedi. Episode 2 would have been Episode 1, with a heavy reworking of the Love Story, and no Count Dooku (which is a shame, because I love Christopher Lee, and his Dooku was the only cool thing about AotC).
EDIT: I'm starting to get more excited now that we're approaching November, and knowing that we're inching closer to a new Star Wars movie. Despite my hype being in check, I can't help but feel my heart beating a bit faster when I think about it.
ryutaro's mama
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LOL.
Yeah, I'm sure it will be THE technological advancement he pushes...for a movie released ~8 years after the first. 4 years after Hobbit 2.
Yeah that will be the THE advancement he is showing off to "distract people from the fact they don't really give a shit about Avatar's universe anymore"
I thought you were on a higher plane than that of common Cameron/Avatar hater, Bobby...
SMH
Bobby Roberts
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What is this.
"a higher plane?"
Avatar doesnt' seem to have any real purchase in pop-culture in 2015. And the huge technological leaps in filmmaking he makes are always part of why his movies are anticipated. You go to see what it is Cameron's managed to do that wasn't done before. Because the man delivers on that front, every time. And I don't see how I'm fucking up by suggesting that if he's managed to make HFR not only palatable but enjoyable, it'd be an endeavor that would be considered interesting, if not revelatory considering how apathetic the public is to the format. The fact it's only 4 years after Hobbit doesn't mean anything. 3D was around for 50 years before Avatar. I mean, do you have a counterargument or are you too busy shaking your head to come up with something?
Save your bullshit reductive labels for people who don't think before they speak, man.
ViewtifulJC
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pls stop triggering ryutaro's mama with any and all Avatar criticism. Cuz Sculli is always one step behind.
Bobby Roberts
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Yeah, but there's readily available solutions to those sorts of problems
Anton Sugar
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Haha, I was just listening to the /filmcast and they were discussing or arguing about Avatar's cultural significance (or lack thereof, rather).
You can enjoy the movie (I've warmed up to Avatar) but it's hard to deny that, as far as significance in pop culture, Avatar really only gave us awkward cosplayers who wanted to permanently become a part of Pandora. Nothing else about that franchise has been absorbed into our culture, the way that much better action/adventure movies have.
If we're talking about technology, that's another matter.
You can enjoy the movie (I've warmed up to Avatar) but it's hard to deny that, as far as significance in pop culture, Avatar really only gave us awkward cosplayers who wanted to permanently become a part of Pandora. Nothing else about that franchise has been absorbed into our culture, the way that much better action/adventure movies have.
If we're talking about technology, that's another matter.
Nobody gives a shit about Avatar anymore.
It actually is! I read it before the movie hit, and was like, "Wow, this was actually really good. This movie may be good after all!"
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sigh.
The thing that the book does so much better than the movie is fool you into thinking that Anakin might not turn to the dark side. Since you get into all of the character's heads through the prose, you can understand his thought processes and motivations better, and for a brief moment, it seems like he's going to do the right thing, and react the right way, and then he goes left, and the shit hits the fan.
I also enjoyed that the book had Palpatine heavily implying to Anakin that Obi-Wan was getting some sweet Padme behind his back. That kind of sent him over the edge. Lol.
holy shit, i just looked that up and you're right. it's even WORSE
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