Street Fighter V Roster Discussion |Thread 2| Deal with it & place your hope for DLC

I'm surprised no one mentioned T. Hawk vs Blanka as one of the worst matchups in SF4. I assume it's better now in Ultra with the few buffs he got
and then they took away his gun
. Wasn't that supposed to be one of, if not the only one, 8-2 matchup (for Blanka obviously)?

That was one of the worse matchups I was referring to, ya.

Deck is very heavily stacked for the Jungle Boy.

Still better than some ST matchups tho lmao
 
Makoto vs Q is probably the worst match up in SF history outside of maybe some SF2 Akuma stuff but let's not count secret characters

I was just about to post that. Any time I'm playing a lopsided match, I can say "well at least it's not Makoto vs Q". Ultradavid has stated that his strategy in that matchup is to wildly swing away and hope for the best. Cause really, what else can you do?
 
You would think 2017 would have to include Akuma and Sagat, 2 of Dudley, Q and Makoto would be good inclusions from SF3, Sakura should be a lock considering she's the most popular Zero character.

I would also hope the do another original character in 2017 though.... could be the most popular new character from V.... Juri after all missed the original SFIV...
I could see those characters being the 2017 characters, but I have less faith that makoto will be one of them since they could include a brand new character instead or someone else from the past games.
 
Sort of? Polls in which language? For which regions? The problem is that there is zero statistical validity in the polls, which of course are self-selecting and non-representative.

The polls were administered WORLDWIDE by Capcom themselves. Obviously in multiple languages.

To be USED by Capcom themselves.

This wasn't some "hey, guys, lets do a fun little poll just for the heck of it!" The poll was a legit attempt at market research.

The data is referenced by Capcom themselves in their own interviews.

"ZERO statistical validity"? Why, because people refuse to believe the results?

No one is saying the poll results are a PERFECT representation of all of earth. But, "ZERO statistical validity"? That's wishful thinking.

It's almost as if you guys simply will NEVER accept the fact that SF3 characters are heavily requested, no matter what evidence is provided.

Worldwide official polls? Nope.

The Executive Producer himself saying so? Nope.

SF3 characters making appearances in numerous games over the past 18 years due to demand? Nope.
 
That's it.

I hate SF3 again. Fuck it, its fans, and all of the characters. I hope they never appear ever again.

Except for Ibuki.

She's the only good thing to come from the game.
 
SF3 discussions are like this thread's equivalent of unsolicited fantasy football conversations. I just can't muster enthusiasm for their favorite thing, and for some reason that's taken as an insult
 
I typically try never to mention Third Strike, even in the most objective terms. When I slip up and do, I usually regret it.
 
It seems like a lot of the times when I drop by this thread there's people complaining about 3S fans, but I never see what they did that was so egregious that they deserve all the vitriol.
 
It seems like a lot of the times when I drop by this thread there's people complaining about 3S fans, but I never see what they did that was so egregious that they deserve all the vitriol.
You mean besides not being able to even remotely mention 3S characters in a bad light without someone going straight for your jugular? Or having to deal with the incessant complaining about veteran reveals that aren't from SF3?

I mean sure, not gonna pretend the people hating on SF3 are saints or anything and most of this happened in the first thread but SF3 fans sure as hell ain't making these threads any more enjoyable to read with this weird martyr complex they have going on.
 
That's it.

I hate SF3 again. Fuck it, its fans, and all of the characters. I hope they never appear ever again.

Except for Ibuki.

She's the only good thing to come from the game.

Funny how people complain about SF3 fans being rude, whiny and ignorant when you get posts like this almost daily, smdh.
 
You mean besides not being able to even remotely mention 3S characters in a bad light without someone going straight for your jugular? Or having to deal with the incessant complaining about veteran reveals that aren't from SF3?

I mean sure, not gonna pretend the people hating on SF3 are saints or anything and most of this happened in the first thread but SF3 fans sure as hell ain't making these threads any more enjoyable to read with this weird martyr complex they have going on.

Man it's not their fault 3S is the best Street Fighter. Y'all can't deal with that.

That's it.

I hate SF3 again. Fuck it, its fans, and all of the characters. I hope they never appear ever again.

Except for Ibuki.

She's the only good thing to come from the game.
Fuck you too and that 2 cent ninja hoe.

We still cool tho.
It seems like a lot of the times when I drop by this thread there's people complaining about 3S fans, but I never see what they did that was so egregious that they deserve all the vitriol.

They enjoyed the best 2D fighting game that wasn't Garou. People don't want to accept that 3S is better (I'm being a bit satirical yet serious at the same time with the ballsy statement) and try to get 3S fans to reconsider their enjoyment of the game, or to compromise with "All games are guud guise."

No.

Fuck that.

The only real fighting game is 3rd Strike. Everything else is a step backwards.

>=/

No but seriously. Game has great quality, some people never could get into it because it destroys their playing styles, or encourages flexibility or whatever reason and finds what ever reason comfortable to bash or hate and cling on sales as justification for the failure of mainstream appeal of SF3.

Honestly I don't really care since.... I still play SF3. Not to mention just because you port SF3/3S characters into a game doesn't make it SF3. It just makes it whatever game with those characters. Most people don't get that which makes it even sad because we let roster dictate the quality of the game instead of systems and mechanics.
 
Funny how people complain about SF3 fans being rude, whiny and ignorant when you get posts like this almost daily, smdh.

It's a joke. I know you think Ono is personally insulting you by not including SF3 characters into the roster, but come on, now.

Literally a page ago I was talking about how I liked 3s, and have repeatedly said there are several characters I love.

I'm just tired of the round and round you guys go through every 10 pages arguing about whether or not 3s was popular/successful and why.
 
You mean besides not being able to even remotely mention 3S characters in a bad light without someone going straight for your jugular? Or having to deal with the incessant complaining about veteran reveals that aren't from SF3?

So because one or two users are like this we're all like this? Haters of SF3 do the exact same thing when people bring up its characters. A lot of us are open to criticism and there's been plenty of normal discussions about it.

I mean sure, not gonna pretend the people hating on SF3 are saints or anything and most of this happened in the first thread but SF3 fans sure as hell ain't making these threads any more enjoyable to read with this weird martyr complex they have going on.

And do you think we like reading this thread at times? Trust me, this place and its users are fucking toxic sometimes and if I didn't restrain myself and ignore half the dickheads in this thread I'dve been banned a long time ago.
 
It's a joke. I know you think Ono is personally insulting you by not including SF3 characters into the roster, but come on, now.

Literally a page ago I was talking about how I liked 3s, and have repeatedly said there are several characters I love.

I'm just tired of the round and round you guys go through every 10 pages arguing about whether or not 3s was popular/successful and why.

I didn't realise you were joking, sorry. Sarcasm detector goes right out the window with this thread.

And i'm tired of it too. These arguments go nowhere.
 
I'm a 3S fan but I kind of want to see EX or SF1 fans acting this way.

EVERY NEW REVEAL THAT ISN'T RETSU IS CAPCOM PISSING IN SF1 FANS' MOUTHS.
 
lol being filled with 7-3 matchups isn't any better.
Watch footage of the game. Even current gameplay. Youre exposing yourself, clearly you havent put any time into 3S but feel free to keep spouting things youve heard about it online as fact.
 
I didn't know he was joking. Fucking relax. That last part was completely unnecessary.
That's one piece of advice you should probably listen to. So much for saying SF3 fans can be reasonable by jumping straight at a joke post.

No one's out to get the game you like. Chill.
 
That's one piece of advice you should probably listen to. So much for saying SF3 fans can be reasonable by jumping straight at a joke post.

No one's out to get the game you like. Chill.

I didn't know it was a fucking joke post for fucksake. I genuinely didn't know so can you all stop fucking jumping down my throat for it, Christ. Fuck it, I'm staying out of this thread from now on. Not worth it.

Gotta agree with Skilletor and Lothars on this one.

Oh of course of you would. Can't say I'm happy to see you back. Not that it matters anyway.
 
I didn't know it was a fucking joke post for fucksake. I genuinely didn't know so can you all stop fucking jumping down my throat for it, Christ. Fuck it, I'm staying out of this thread from now on. Not worth it.
So that's it for "some of us being open to criticism", huh
 
You would think 2017 would have to include Akuma and Sagat, 2 of Dudley, Q and Makoto would be good inclusions from SF3, Sakura should be a lock considering she's the most popular Zero character. Cody should get a good look in, also maybe Rolento. Probably one of Viper or Abel to add another IV original...
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Its so weird with the 6 characters a year thing. I mean is wave 2 really going to have Sagat,Akuma and Sakura ?. Thats just a bit shoto heavy for an entire year. Are we going to get new characters again ? because so many favorites are still out.

I feel like the shoto squad is going to be spread out for headlining each year. I think wave 2 will focus on Final Fight and Alpha again. We did get a Maki tease in the background after all.
 
Makoto vs Q is probably the worst match up in SF history outside of maybe some SF2 Akuma stuff but let's not count secret characters

lol this

alot of people bring up Chun all the time, but Maks >>> Q is pretty bad, though i wouldnt say worst in SF history.

#3rdStrikeIsAGoodGame
 
Its so weird with the 6 characters a year thing. I mean is wave 2 really going to have Sagat,Akuma and Sakura ?. Thats just a bit shoto heavy for an entire year. Are we going to get new characters again ? because so many favorites are still out.

I feel like the shoto squad is going to be spread out for headlining each year. I think wave 2 will focus on Final Fight and Alpha again. We did get a Maki tease in the background after all.
6 is only for year 1 (which features 22 characters total.) Year 2 pretty much has to have more than that. Agree that Sagat/Akuma/Sakura all in that batch would be kinda shoto-overload.
 
I didn't know it was a fucking joke post for fucksake. I genuinely didn't know so can you all stop fucking jumping down my throat for it, Christ. Fuck it, I'm staying out of this thread from now on. Not worth it.



Oh of course of you would. Can't say I'm happy to see you back. Not that it matters anyway.

Damn y'all made this dude cry.

See what dissing 3S brings? Do you see now?
 
6 is only for year 1 (which features 22 characters total.) Year 2 pretty much has to have more than that. Agree that Sagat/Akuma/Sakura all in that batch would be kinda shoto-overload.

Oh but didn't Capcom actually say one character every two months? Or is that exclusive to only Wave 1 DLC.

It makes sense that they ramp it up because they have been working on the base game and a ton of other shit for the past 2 years. But now its just characters. 6 a year is too less , I like my big rosters :D
 
Its so weird with the 6 characters a year thing. I mean is wave 2 really going to have Sagat,Akuma and Sakura ?. Thats just a bit shoto heavy for an entire year. Are we going to get new characters again ? because so many favorites are still out.

I feel like the shoto squad is going to be spread out for headlining each year. I think wave 2 will focus on Final Fight and Alpha again. We did get a Maki tease in the background after all.

Year 2 will probably have more. It's a series anniversary and by then the on-disc roster won't seem so fresh so a more aggressive DLC plan would be more likely.
 
Oh but didn't Capcom actually say one character every two months? Or is that exclusive to only Wave 1 DLC.

It makes sense that they ramp it up because they have been working on the base game and a ton of other shit for the past 2 years. But now its just characters. 6 a year is too less , I like my big rosters :D
They were referring specifically to the timing ballpark for Wave 1.

Given the premier event schedule, we're likely to see a bit of a break before EVO, and all 6 should be out well in advance of Capcom Cup. EVO appear to be ready to announce their 2016 date, so we'll be able to spitball a schedule estimate pretty soon.
 
lol this

alot of people bring up Chun all the time, but Maks >>> Q is pretty bad, though i wouldnt say worst in SF history.

#3rdStrikeIsAGoodGame

The parry mechanic keeps any matchup in 3rd Strike from being the worst ever. But of course, Makoto can parry too.

Here's a cool video of Kuroda beating a Makoto with his Q. Note how a ton of his damage comes from parries and guesses (and Makoto's mistakes).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_hFuD9dmH0
 
6 characters a year seems like plenty to me. This is under the assumption they're also going to continue making system-wide changes (i.e. adding 2nd Ultras) & tweaking old characters properties/movesets.

EDIT: However I'm still in the mindset of the old arcade upgrade title; if they're chasing the LoL model, I'll have to see SF anywhere near that level of popularity/constant activity before I believe it.
 
Watch footage of the game. Even current gameplay. Youre exposing yourself, clearly you havent put any time into 3S but feel free to keep spouting things youve heard about it online as fact.

What is watching footage going to prove? The game has a large number of bad matchups and that's a fact. Jojo's is my favorite fighting game but I'm not going to let that blind me to how bad some of the matchups in the game are. I can beat many kakyoin players with joseph but that doesn't mean the matchup isn't 8-2.

This also really isn't the thread to have this discussion.
 
This 3s obsesion is ridiculous. This is a V thread, not a 3s thread. Can I, for a change, enter this thread and read shit related to V and not 3s, please?
 
The parry mechanic keeps any matchup in 3rd Strike from being the worst ever. But of course, Makoto can parry too.

Here's a cool video of Kuroda beating a Makoto with his Q. Note how a ton of his damage comes from parries and guesses (and Makoto's mistakes).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_hFuD9dmH0

I wonder why taunts having unique properties was removed from later SF games. I guess Mikas v-skill is pretty much like a 3S taunt.
 
6 characters a year seems like plenty to me. This is under the assumption they're also going to continue making system-wide changes (i.e. adding 2nd Ultras) & tweaking old characters properties/movesets.

EDIT: However I'm still in the mindset of the old arcade upgrade title; if they're chasing the LoL model, I'll have to see SF anywhere near that level of popularity/constant activity before I believe it.
Anywhere from 8 to 12 seems viable, due to the MOBA model. 8 gets you one about every 6 weeks. 12 gets you one a month.
I don't think I want more than one CA per character.
Variable V-Triggers is more likely.
 
I wish fighting games could be more of a games as a service type of thing where new characters and stages are added over time throughout a console's lifetime with game updates being made instead of new $60 versions. This way you can have all of the old characters people want as well as the new characters and you can just make the game the best fighting game of all time.
 
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