Halo 5 sales in the UK [Excludes digital sales]

Ah, that makes sense. Didn't even know we had a FOX channel! Anything for Tomb Raider yet?



Are they even doing a Tomb Raider bundle over here? It's bizarre that I can pre-order a 1TB XBox One with Fallout 4 and the season pass, but nothing for Tomb Raider.

There are TR, Halo 5, Forza etc.
 
Sorry a little OT but... It's just bizarre that MS made such a big song and dance over TR exclusivity, have full marketing behind it and won't be coming to their rival console for a year and yet they just seem to be putting out on the shelf with little support in the face of their more favoured exclusive marketed game; Fallout. I mean sure FO4 will be bigger but TR just seems to have been made a casualty in a war for absolutely no reason now.

TR could have actually have made a strong comeback in they'd not been stupid and made it exclusive. But as it stands I think very few care for it, whether that's because MS seem to have thrown it under a bus and/or it's not on a system with a far larger userbase.
 

Sesuadra

Unconfirmed Member
This is my biggest complaint and it was touched upon in the OT. I think the EU and US are in the same Matchmaking pool, I haven't heard a UK/European accent but loads of US voices. In pretty sure I'm playing on US servers all the time.

it was talked about that in the OT.

so many 'US accents, not once someone from the UK or germany in my games. >.<
 

Nirolak

Mrgrgr
So for the digital people, we already have a statement every three months from major third parties that digital on traditional AAA is about 20% on the high end, which would still leave this as the worst selling entry.

Even if we assumed 30% for week one buyers, it would still be the lowest by far.
 

RibMan

Member
Keep in mind it launches on a much smaller console base and a significantly bigger digital sale ratio, we are not seeing a full picture here.

Agreed. Once we get the digital numbers from the UK and the ones from Liechtenstein, we'll have a much better understanding of how Halo 5 performed.

I eagerly wait for Microsoft, the company that has access to the digital numbers, to publish the digital sales numbers. Their stance on always publishing Xbox sales figures guarantees that we'll have this figured out in no time.
 
Do they keep in mind people like me from europe that buy in the US marketplace?
Not being region locked kinda fucks up sales numbers given i can get a preorder 10 euro
cheaper.
 
Sorry a little OT but... It's just bizarre that MS made such a big song and dance over TR exclusivity, have full marketing behind it and won't be coming to their rival console for a year and yet they just seem to be putting out on the shelf with little support in the face of their more favoured exclusive marketed game; Fallout. I mean sure FO4 will be bigger but TR just seems to have been made a casualty in a war for absolutely no reason now.

TR could have actually have made a strong comeback in they'd not been stupid and made it exclusive. But as it stands I think very few care for it, whether that's because MS seem to have thrown it under a bus and/or it's not on a system with a far larger userbase.

I hear you. I am buying Tomb Raider myself but MS has previous of this sort of thing, they put Sunset Overdrive against established IP and Alan Wake within the week of Red Dead Redemption which had massive hype, Rockstar etc etc. Chances of sequels to those two?

I think with Halo 5 it's more to do with the install base, I don't know exact numbers but looking at software sales here it seems the PS4 is in a comfortable lead. Maybe MCC burned some folk or franchise fatigue too?
 

Hasney

Member
Do they keep in mind people like me from europe that buy in the US marketplace?
Not being region locked kinda fucks up sales numbers given i can get a preorder 10 euro
cheaper.

No. How could they? It doesn't include digital sales at all.

I think with Halo 5 it's more to do with the install base, I don't know numbers but looking at software sales here it seems the PS4 is in a comfortable lead. Maybe MCC burned some folk or franchise fatigue too?

While install base will be a factor comparing it to the old Halos, it doesn't look like the only one. Titanfall sold 25k less first week to a much lower base and vanilla Destiny XB1 sold about the same as Halo 5 week 1, so there have to be other factors too, like MCC and possible franchise fatigue like you mention.
 
Not a single ad here in Italy, hell not even on Twitch

yeah same here, i traveled europe a bit in the last weeks and i remember the crazy marketing push for the previous Halo's and i still haven't seen a single commercial,poster,tie-in for H5.

maybe i just missed all of them or they scaled back immensely in mainland europe.
 

ps3ud0

Member
Yea. I'm aware that I wouldn't be counted as a UK purchase either way. My point though, is that I would have been counted as a UK purchase for every other past Halo game (excluding MCC).
Indeed its likely US numbers are healthy compared when/if they get announced because so many non-US people take opportunity in buying digitally from the US store. Such cannibalisation isn't surprising, Halo 5 isn't a special case...

ps3ud0 8)
 
Do they keep in mind people like me from europe that buy in the US marketplace?
Not being region locked kinda fucks up sales numbers given i can get a preorder 10 euro
cheaper.

you're a minority in a minority group (digital buyers), i think it's fine.
not that DD sales count anyways.
 
yeah same here, i traveled europe a bit in the last weeks and i remember the crazy marketing push for the previous Halo's and i still haven't seen a single commercial,poster,tie-in for H5.

maybe i just missed all of them or they scaled back immensely in mainland europe.

easy to miss no adverts I reckon, I haven't seen any either.
 

Hoo-doo

Banned
So, it will be the same case with Uncharted 4, right ?

I doubt it. Naughty Dog always seems to raise the bar in a way that keeps the franchise fresh and they get to take as much time and budget as they want.

And that's why it's also fantastic that even ND has said that U4 will be their last Uncharted for a good while. You can't just keep making the same game over and over and expect it to be a home-run every time.
I'd love for ND to tackle something entirely different, get their creative juices flowing again and step away from the by then beaten-to-death development routines.

Subsequently, that's why it's also a shame that 343i is a development factory tailor made to pump out Halo sequels.
I'd say Halo fatigue is real both on the development side and the consumer side. You can't just reinvent the wheel when game after game you're stuck with a franchise like this. There's barely room or time to innovate on a bigger scale at all because even the fans demand the Halo they know and love.
 
yeah same here, i traveled europe a bit in the last weeks and i remember the crazy marketing push for the previous Halo's and i still haven't seen a single commercial,poster,tie-in for H5.

maybe i just missed all of them or they scaled back immensely in mainland europe.

What the fuck Microsoft is doing with Europe seriously. No price drop, no ads, they're fucking way (waaayyyyyy) behind PS4 in Europe, and it feels like they gave up.
 

Markoman

Member
it was talked about that in the OT.

so many 'US accents, not once someone from the UK or germany in my games. >.<

Can somebody please confirm?
So no...
"Jawohl mein Kommandant", "Es tut mir leid, Schluffe", "Kamerad kaputt"
comments in matches yet?

Are there at least french players, who always have their mic on playing some french Hip-Hop music in the background?
 

Hasney

Member
I believe it's £50 (was £45 for a while pre-launch), whereas it can be picked up in shops for as little as £38 from what I've seen.

£32 was the cheapest, but required you to be in very specific areas. Online retailers were doing it at £35.

What the fuck Microsoft is doing with Europe seriously. No price drop, no ads, they're fucking way (waaayyyyyy) behind PS4 in Europe, and it feels like they gave up.

They're not dropping the price again until the components get cheaper. They're not willing to take a loss for install base anymore.
 
So for the digital people, we already have a statement every three months from major third parties that digital on traditional AAA is about 20% on the high end, which would still leave this as the worst selling entry.

Even if we assumed 30% for week one buyers, it would still be the lowest by far.

Can you please sticky this post on the OP?
 

SwolBro

Banned
So for the digital people, we already have a statement every three months from major third parties that digital on traditional AAA is about 20% on the high end, which would still leave this as the worst selling entry.

Even if we assumed 30% for week one buyers, it would still be the lowest by far.

So, we're just going to go ahead and ignore Halo C.E because of no data ?

ok.
 

hesido

Member
Well, Titanfall did 25k less with a smaller install base and it did the same as vanilla Destiny on XB1.

That's nice info.

Of course it is. For example the attach rate of Halo 2 teels me the game was the key exclusive for MS and that the OG Xbox install base was awfully low.

What do you infer from Halo 5s attach rate?

Titanfall and AW kind of disprove that.

I'm not trying to prove or disprove anything, I'm just saying this should be looked into in the context of install base, which tell a worse or better story for the franchise, the OP could be update with that information information.
 

Dunlop

Member
This is sad, it's by far the best exclusive of the console so far, and the best Halo game in years.

Sunset had a bigger wow factor for me and I prefer Titanfall MP (mostly because after being away from MP from the franchise for so long I suck so badly and with only a arena option I will continue to suck as I get paired with premades).

I'm enjoying the campaign but will definitely be trade fodder for Battlefield as my kids loved the beta and I can actually play with them via splitscreen.....
 
Sorry a little OT but... It's just bizarre that MS made such a big song and dance over TR exclusivity, have full marketing behind it and won't be coming to their rival console for a year and yet they just seem to be putting out on the shelf with little support in the face of their more favoured exclusive marketed game; Fallout. I mean sure FO4 will be bigger but TR just seems to have been made a casualty in a war for absolutely no reason now.

TR could have actually have made a strong comeback in they'd not been stupid and made it exclusive. But as it stands I think very few care for it, whether that's because MS seem to have thrown it under a bus and/or it's not on a system with a far larger userbase.

I wouldn't be surprised if MS have looked at the preorder numbers and decided a marketing blitz would just end up making them a loss on the whole deal, and that doubling down on Fallout would be a financially smarter move.

The entire TR exclusivity deal was a dumb idea from the start. The overwhelming majority of the fanbase is on PC and Playstation, the later of which also has Uncharted which must have a massive consumer base crossover, as well as already been the clear winner this generation even before that deal must have been signed.

I'm honestly expecting RotTR to sell worse than The Nathan Drake Collection quite frankly, and I don't think any amount of marketing push would change that.
 

xrnzaaas

Member
It's not bad, it's not great imo. Digital sales have a much bigger percentage of the market than last-gen, but it's not like those numbers would suddenly be doubled.
 
Your mad if you think digital isn't drastically outselling physical.

I can name one person out of a friendship group of 10 people who bought Halo 5 physically rather than digital. That's 10/90% split in physical/digital in my friendship group. I'd say it's a similar story in a lot of other peoples.

Oh man... Are you really using the "well all of my friends..." argument? There is absolutely no way in hell that digital drastically outsold physical for this title.
 

SwolBro

Banned
And that's why it's also fantastic that even ND has said that U4 will be their last Uncharted for a good while.

.

I can see why.. they knocked out 4 uncharted games and TLOU in less than 2 whole generations lol.

But i'm sure another last of us will come before they're "done" with these series of games.
 
Sorry a little OT but... It's just bizarre that MS made such a big song and dance over TR exclusivity, have full marketing behind it and won't be coming to their rival console for a year and yet they just seem to be putting out on the shelf with little support in the face of their more favoured exclusive marketed game; Fallout. I mean sure FO4 will be bigger but TR just seems to have been made a casualty in a war for absolutely no reason now.

TR could have actually have made a strong comeback in they'd not been stupid and made it exclusive. But as it stands I think very few care for it, whether that's because MS seem to have thrown it under a bus and/or it's not on a system with a far larger userbase.

The Tomb Raider situation is 100% bad decision making on SE's part. It could have been a big deal launching on all three platforms at the same time, but instead it's going to be eclipsed by Fallout 4 and is launching only on a console that doesn't seem to be very popular at the moment. I just can't see how it's going to go well, considering SE were disappointed by TR2013 selling like 3 million copies in its launch week, so their response to that is aligning with a single platform which has had a series of PR disasters over the last 30 months.
 
So, it will be the same case with Uncharted 4, right ?

Nope, for five reasons:

1. Uncharted was never a sales juggernaut like the Halo series.
2. What was shown so far is absolutely insane.
3. It will be released in Q1 next year, meaning it will not compete against sales monsters like CoD or FIFA.
4. It's a thief's end. The final chapter. Everybody familiar with Nate wants to see the conclusion of his story.
5. It's on PS4, meaning in Q1 2016 the install base will be above 35 million (compared to the 15 million Halo had as base).
 
Not surprising to me it did worse than H3. H3 had one of the best marketing for a videogame I can remember. Aside from that, H3 was the last Halo that was the go-to game for MP. There is simply more competition in the shooter space nowadays that appeals to a wider audience.
The market changed dramatically since 2007 for FPS.
 
I doubt it. Naughty Dog always seems to raise the bar in a way that keeps the franchise fresh and they get to take as much time and budget as they want.

And that's why it's also fantastic that even ND has said that U4 will be their last Uncharted for a good while. You can't just keep making the same game over and over and expect it to be a home-run every time.
I'd love for ND to tackle something entirely different, get their creative juices flowing again and step away from the by then beaten-to-death development routines.

Subsequently, that's why it's also a shame that 343i is a development factory tailor made to pump out Halo sequels.
I'd say Halo fatigue is real both on the development side and the consumer side. You can't just reinvent the wheel when game after game you're stuck with a franchise like this. There's barely room or time to innovate on a bigger scale at all because even the fans demand the Halo they know and love.

It will be the same with The Coalition and Gears (and Turn 10). Microsoft wants to gain the loyalty of gamers by saying "hey look, here we have Halo and Gears, and we'll always have that". On the other hand, Sony is saying "hey look, we have Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch and Quantic Dream, those guys will make amazing games for PlayStation, and even if we don't yet what those games will be, they're going to be amazing, trust us, because those dev's are great".
 

Hasney

Member
Maybe people are just waiting a week or two.

Usually, you tend to see at least a 60% drop off in sales from a Tuesday release in the second week. AC: Syndicate had a tiny drop off this week of 39% due to the aggressive PS4 bundles. Video game sales are very front loaded.
 
I believe it's £50 (was £45 for a while pre-launch), whereas it can be picked up in shops for as little as £38 from what I've seen.

Yeah I can't see digital sales making up much. I thought I read somewhere that digital cost more than retail in UK, wanted to get some confirmation on that, thanks.
 
Well Halo 1 was a launch title, almost everyone who bought an Xbox got Halo.
Halo 2 was a huge deal for online console gaming and the sequel to the biggest game on Xbox
Halo 3 was marketed as this huge event in the industry and really defined the Xbox 360
ODST was a different approach
Wars was a console RTS which I guess had people curious
Reach was the last game from Bungie
4 was the revival effort that disappointed life long fans
MCC was great and sold well (I think) but it's reputation severely damaged the brand name

5 isn't a launch title, it's a sequel to the most disappointing game in the series, it isn't revolutionary and the developers reputation has been very much hurt after Halo 4 and MCC. I wouldn't be surprised if it's life time sales don't exceed Halo Combat Evolved Anniversary.
 

Hoo-doo

Banned
I can see why.. they knocked out 4 uncharted games and TLOU in less than 2 whole generations lol.

But i'm sure another last of us will come before they're "done" with these series of games.

Yes, and by all accounts they have all been very well received.

The thing is, Naughty Dog probably gets the leeway to decide things like these. Go in a different direction on a new franchise for a while. They have a proven track record of creating a mindblowing new IP from scratch with TLOU. They'll probably get to do it again.

I doubt Microsoft is going to let 343i off the leash to develop their own thing anytime soon. They were assembled to make Halo and Microsoft is probably going to demand the release of a new Halo game every two/three holiday seasons. Ofcourse the consumer interest and quality of such a franchise is going to go down at some point. I could see Gears of War having the exact same problem next year.
 
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