No, you don't know what you're getting.
Fallout 4 has gone gold; leaked gameplay vids
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No, you don't know what you're getting.
SocksAndShoes
Banned
I've gotta say I find it pretty hilarious that all we heard before the game leaked was that Bethesda was terrible at writing, and now we have people upset that they don't have more dialogue choices.
"But I want more poorly written dialogue choices!"
People are funny.
Pre-order fully paid for and holding steady, Captain.
"But I want more poorly written dialogue choices!"
People are funny.
Pre-order fully paid for and holding steady, Captain.
I've played every Bethesda RPG since Morrowind. They have a thing they do, there are incremental changes in each game, but it's still that thing. I know what I'm getting.
This is a good stance, and I definitely respect you for it. Pre-ordering is stupid, even if you "know" what you're getting.
That said, I've pre-ordered the game. Lol.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
That sounds great actually, more densely packed with locations. You know what it is...each time a developer starts to brag about how big the open world is...i see it as great news. GTA V for example, i was so happy to see the countryside returning but in the end i barely spent time there. More things to see and do in a map that is not much bigger if at all than previous games...isn't all that bad then.
Damn...and here i believed Skyrim and Fallout 3 were much bigger than Oblivion.
BoosterDuck
Banned
the embargo lifts on Monday at 7am CST so he'll have a pretty good idea on what he's getting
That's not what a trademark is.
(And even if they had patented it, there is tons of prior art that would make the patent useless)
Solid Samus
Banned
What are you trying to say?
Right now he doesn't. Just because Bethesda has been creating their games equal in many aspects doesn't mean that pattern won't break.
Darkstorne
Member
It's big, and given the number of buildings open to exploration it seems like this will be more packed with exploration opportunities than any of their games so far, but they definitely need to step the game size up for the next Elder Scrolls game - a series that relies heavily on vistas and a sense of scale. Especially since it looks likely to be set in Hammerfell, and being able to see from one side of the desert to the other from a good vantage point would ruin any sense of immersion.
The Witcher 3 had over three times as much playable space as Skyrim. GTAV was around twice the size of Skyrim. I know there's a lot more interaction in Beth's games (it's why TES is my favourite series) but they definitely need to start increasing their map sizes again. Fallout 4 should feel fine given the similarity in landscape, but I don't think it'll go over so well in another TES game.
Yes, because the solution people wanted to shit writing was scrap the writing. Congrats you pre ordered a game
I just recall there being a lot of discussion sometime ago about why other games aren't using the Mass Effect style dialogue wheel, and that Bioware had patented it or whatever and that was why other companies weren't using it.
Darkangel
Member
Saw this on /v/, not sure how accurate it is:
I'm always amazed at Bethesda's ability to further simplify things. I'm also shocked that this game only runs at 30FPS considering it looks like RAGE on medium settings. How did Battlefield/Battlefront manage to pull of massive environments at 60FPS while looking way better?
I'm always amazed at Bethesda's ability to further simplify things. I'm also shocked that this game only runs at 30FPS considering it looks like RAGE on medium settings. How did Battlefield/Battlefront manage to pull of massive environments at 60FPS while looking way better?
shadowfall
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I am not impressed with graphics. May be this is in line with Fallout graphics but I was expecting something a little more flashy. I have not pre-ordered the game and will wait for reviews on PS4 reviews as I am worried about getting the Skyrim treatment.
Bethesda is few things if not consistent with their RPGs. What they do well, what they do not so well, the overall DNA of the experience -- It's the same each time. They've never managed to surprise me in any of their RPGs. And in this case I'm completely fine with it. I repeat -- More or less, I know what I'm getting.
lem0n
Member
It's almost like people need something to be upset about. But who would be like that.
I'm more excited than I have ever been after watching those videos!
*rolls eyes*
BoosterDuck
Banned
no way bro Todd made a shit ton of money from Skyrim so this game will be beast
Collateral22
Member
Glad they have less dialogue now that it's voiced.
Bigboss242
Banned
People cry alot about this game it ain't pretty enough it isn't this or that cry cry cry. Fallout 4 thread of radioactive tears.
That's some NMA level style hyperbole right there.
They have literally made the same game since Oblivion. All of a sudden they are going to abandon their design choices and say "Let's try something different!"
Nevermind that many have already seen a good amount of gameplay. It is a Bethesda game. Through and through.
Agreed.
You could obviously right.
Im just skeptical and very critical, like to everything in life.
Pseudo_Sam
Survives without air, food, or water
WAY different games, Bethesda's require a level of interactivity that VASTLY dwarfs any standard FPS. Not quite a fair comparison
Solid Samus
Banned
I was asking Fantomena what he was trying to say because I thought the crux of his argument might be steeped in some 'principles' bs about pre-order culture that suggests some hardline for what counts and doesn't count as the reasonable spending decision of a conscious adult. I've played the last three Elder Scrolls games, I've played the last two Fallout games, I've seen the E3 showing, and I've seen most of the leaks. Technically, I don't know what the game is, because I haven't beaten it yet, but I sure know enough to be okay with the fact that I've already bought it.
It's pretty accurate, and the original games have much better examples of good dialog choices, etc. It'll be interesting to see if even Bethesda fanboys are disappointed. I mean, you can't make this up.
People understand that fewer dialogue options doesn't preclude the possibility of more paths through a conversation right?
In a past Fallout game a conversation might give you 6/7 options for continuing a conversation only 2 or 3 times in a conversation. But, if you only have 4 options at once but get to utilize them 7/8 times in a conversation then that actually leads to a -more- dynamic dialogue system.
In a past Fallout game a conversation might give you 6/7 options for continuing a conversation only 2 or 3 times in a conversation. But, if you only have 4 options at once but get to utilize them 7/8 times in a conversation then that actually leads to a -more- dynamic dialogue system.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
So is faction karma back?
tell me more
SpacePirate Ridley
Member
Mass Effect does the dialogue wheel better and last time I saw Shepard male and female where fully voiced.
They just needed a fucking button that open a tree brach of questions on the other buttons for you to ask, and go back if you wanted, just like in ME.
Its not like Bethesda is poor or has a small studio, last time I checked their RPGs sold millions. The voiced and using a dialogue wheel excuses ont fly with the horrible job Bethesda has done implementing them when others do the same in a much better way.
Sarcastic
NMA?
Anyway, I think I may have been unfair. Mass Effect used to have more options with better descriptions than this.
Pilgrimzero
Member
ARGH I just read a massive story spoiler (assuming it's true). That's what i get for poking my nose into places I shouldn't.
Askherserenity
Member
No. Let's not confuse people playing are games with these kinds of systems.
I don't know why book writers even bother to make their books over 200 pages long, it's all just flavor text that serve no purpose when the end result is the same.
Ya man, http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Beyond_the_Beef
All flavor text
What's next you going to tell me reactivity doesn't matter in rpg's either?
My point was more that a trademark is not a patent, they are two wildly different things.
and the actual patent seems so broad that one could argue that the interface FO4 currently uses is infringing.
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(X) What. The fuck. (B)
.............. (A) Is this.
That looks a bit worrying, but I'm gonna be optimistic and assume that most of the game's dialogue isn't like that. Gonna get the game regardless since I'm a big Fallout fan, but I hope the dialogue is not all like that.
Ah well, no use worrying about it I guess. Like the art style so far and I'm gonna focus on the positives for as long as I can haha.
Yu Narukami
Member
The review thread will be even more funnier to read than the Halo 5 one.
SpacePirate Ridley
Member
I have to say they surprised me a little with Skyrim after playing Fallout 3. I was seeing some things going forward in there.
The conversation system comparison is weird.
You don't just have four choices, you have four choices which branch into more choices and those might branch of again.
Thats 12 conversational options in one conversation.
In F3 you asked one of ten questions and either returned to the menu with 9 unasked questions left, or you branched of into a far more limited conversation.
You didn't branch of into another giant menu of ten more responses.
You don't just have four choices, you have four choices which branch into more choices and those might branch of again.
Thats 12 conversational options in one conversation.
In F3 you asked one of ten questions and either returned to the menu with 9 unasked questions left, or you branched of into a far more limited conversation.
You didn't branch of into another giant menu of ten more responses.
Golden Hamster
Neo Member
I'm really sorry you live your life that way
Good thing I don't deal with trademarks and patents then.
But thank you, always nice to learn something new
Not to beat a dead horse here, but that picture is comparing the first bit of optional dialogue in Fallout 4 with rather dense quest chatter that appears deep into the other games. The following would seem to be the more apt comparison:
Sure the dialogue is not written in such detail on the 'wheel', but given that you hear your character speak in fully fleshed out sentences, is the difference really all that meaningful? In any case, chances are the more robust dialogue sequences in Fallout 4 will feature an "investigate" tab.
You "branch" (that is to say, move on to the next section of dialogue) to another three different versions of "Go on." and a single question.
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