cartographer
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Play-Asia says SJWs to blame for DOAX3 not coming west
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The four likes is the funniest part about this reply.
Jathaine
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It is absolutely true that a certain type of person's backlash is what KT wishes to avoid and its also true that SJW is the most commonly used term to describe that type of person.
Its also true that the person at the desk for the PA twitter probably knew that they were poking the bear and posted it full-well knowing they'd piss people off and that was likely the intent. Old-fashioned trolling.
Haunted
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oof, that's not a good look for play-asia.
I mean, the attempt seems to be to score points with certain groups because they assume that there's a lot of overlap between those people and a potential audience for DOA.
I mean, the attempt seems to be to score points with certain groups because they assume that there's a lot of overlap between those people and a potential audience for DOA.
Well, if it's not a calculated move to increase visibility and sales and just someone trolling on an official company account, that's an out for play-asia, much easier to distance themselves from a rogue PR person.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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For those possibly confused, "fan demand" in Executive means money
SolidSnakex
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That's a producer/writer of Feminist Frequency. So he's not a nobody as far as feminism in gaming goes.
charlequin
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Lol wow. I thought PA's original deal here was pretty dumb but I wasn't going to actually do anything about it, but if they're gonna go full GG on this that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish.
Again, nobody is talking about western retail release. It is too insignificant in sales for most places to bother. If it does not RTM for physical retail, than Amazon does not have physical discs to sell either. This not having an official western release helps PA. The only thing that could truly screw them (in regards to this game specifically, not longer term boycott issues) is if it got banned in a place like Hong Kong and TK decided it was not worth making english language discs available anywhere. There is a perception that even for a game as devoid of meaningful dialogue and plot as this, most western importers do not want to deal with incomprehensible Japanese text. If they did, nobody would actually care who was or was not selling an English language version. I
ShockingAlberto
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They're signal boosting harassing tweets now.
But no, completely trustworthy. If you don't trust Play-Asia, then you must be some kind of fascist.
But no, completely trustworthy. If you don't trust Play-Asia, then you must be some kind of fascist.
Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 Being Denied a US Release is No Ones Fault But Koei Tecmos said:
Read more at http://www.craveonline.com/culture/...no-ones-fault-koei-tecmos#SMGwv0l3Ox5m7WT0.99
DICKS AHOY
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This line of thinking is why I'm hardly going to fault a few friends from saying SJW, but I'm given the amount of shit that people, GG or not try to deflect with the term grates. I don't mind people making fun of superficial types hitching their wagon to a social issue for PR reasons or even just mocking someone for overreacting about something that probably could've used a less aggressive approach, but the 'SJW' label has gotten as lazy as 'hipster' and 'neckbeard'. It boils down to 'person I don't like' when you're going to apply it to anything even slightly political you can't properly argue with.
I was cooler with it when it was just a term that seemed to relate to Tumblr's popularity and completely misguided crusades in sanitizing kids cartoons over the most minor of offenses.
It wouldn't have been a shot in the dark to say somebody partially behind Feminist Frequency would have an issue with Dead or Alive Volleyball.
Soyongdori
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And nothing of value was lost.
Thanks for the description, can I use it elsewhere?
Maybe I'm a big dumb idiot but who is this guy and why is it proof there is backlash against DOAX3?
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Oh, I see someone else answered it. Also, yikes just read his twitter feed.
Palette Swap
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He also isn't as sex positive as others who do own games like Senran Kagura games.
They're signal boosting harassing tweets now.
But no, completely trustworthy. If you don't trust Play-Asia, then you must be some kind of fascist.
And this is how it goes sideways on Play-Asia.
CambriaRising
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And I got called ignorant for suggesting the employee was a GGer earlier.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Ok, so where's a reliable alternative for importing Asia region games? I want to get Dark Souls 3 as close to the Japanese launch as possible, ideally in English if it's available in any region launching in March.
I was going to use play Asia as I've bought a few things from them over the years (mushihimesama futari, dark souls 2 SOTFS special edition, probably a couple more cave games) but they need to get their shit together before I'll shop there again.
I was going to use play Asia as I've bought a few things from them over the years (mushihimesama futari, dark souls 2 SOTFS special edition, probably a couple more cave games) but they need to get their shit together before I'll shop there again.
If it is NOT manufactured, than they don't believe in their product enoght AND admit it is sexist bullshit and they will not change OR defend it.
Also, it means that the chance of OTHER GAMES THAT FEATURE THE SAME BACKLASH, like for example, Dead or Alive 6, would not be released in the west FOR THE EXACT SAME REASON
It is not "sex positiveness" if you are only "sex positive" with big breasted japanese skinny girls.
Yes, I know the gfame has line ONE flat chested skinny girl. Still don't count. Still objetification. Also, for a "sex positive" game, it is weird that nobody seems to have a sexual life of any kind.
Matrix XII
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100% This. Couldn't agree more.
This was a business decision by KT and I don't blame them because it is volatile in NA with these issues right now.
It's a shame because I was hoping the game would be released here. It amazes me how sensitive people are about stuff like this.
Can someone explain this to me as well?
KuwabaraTheMan
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He also only made that comment earlier today, after they announced the game wasn't coming over here (so presumably just in response to that news).
So it's not like his opinion could have any impact on KT's decision. There's still no evidence that any fear of a backlash existed, or would have been well founded.
They're signal boosting harassing tweets now.
But no, completely trustworthy. If you don't trust Play-Asia, then you must be some kind of fascist.
Christ. Never shopping there again.
Coolio McAwesome
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I don't have to establish that. I do not work for them.
That's the job of Koei-Tecmo to determine whether "people criticizing doa boobies" will impact sales. If Team Ninja's community manager, Koei Tecmo's official Twitter, and Play-Asia are correct, then Koei-Tecmo (not me) has determined that "people criticizing doa boobies" will either impact sales or cost the company in other ways.
It those sources are to be believed (we don't have any conflicting reports to go off of) then Koei-Tecmo's cost-benefit analysis has determined that "people criticizing doa boobies" were a big enough concern to pass on localization.
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Of course they would. You're 100% correct. That's one of the biggest issues here. GTA is going to get criticized. COD is going to get criticized. These games are too big for publishers to seriously concern themselves about negative media attention. DOAX3 is a niche title so "preemptive fears over complaints" would likely be taken more seriously. In business, you don't have as much freedom when your margins are thin.
radios shipping overview
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I'm getting sealioned on Twitter for tweeting P-A about this. GG took the ball and ran with it.
It's one thing to sit back and watch the fireworks while eating your popcorn.
It's another thing when you start fanning the flames because people are paying attention to you.
This is what I was thinking as well.
cartographer
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No, it's just supporting evidence that people don't really care all that much about DOAX in the first place. His followers are generally the type of the people that would be interested in topics like that, but because so few people give a shit about DOAX, his tweet had little impact. I'm guessing that might have been his least impactful tweet on an "issue" in a while.
So I'm trying to figure out where this proposed blowback against Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 is coming from.
Let's take our own forum for example, where we're frequently accused of being a fascist censorship regime on the topic.
"Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 (PS4/Vita) - Debut Gameplay Teaser Trailer & Screenshots"
Despite being 365 posts long, I could not find a single condemning post in the thread. There is one post that says the game needs more men, but I'm relatively sure that's because the person wants to see hot dudes in the game, and is not a statement of needed equality.
Let's take our own forum for example, where we're frequently accused of being a fascist censorship regime on the topic.
"Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 (PS4/Vita) - Debut Gameplay Teaser Trailer & Screenshots"
Despite being 365 posts long, I could not find a single condemning post in the thread. There is one post that says the game needs more men, but I'm relatively sure that's because the person wants to see hot dudes in the game, and is not a statement of needed equality.
They are COMPLETELY wrong. Sure, DOA has faced some criticism over jiggly-boobs & scantily clad women in the past, but nothing so severe that it forces KT to not release a DOAX game in the west. There were no petitions with tens of thousands of people signing it or any kind of massive social media campaign that gained mainstream medias attention or anything that would force their hand.
They're signal boosting harassing tweets now.
But no, completely trustworthy. If you don't trust Play-Asia, then you must be some kind of fascist.
The original tweet was dumb, but whatever. This has gotten out of hand now. This behavior isn't acceptable under any circumstance. I'll be interested to see if P-A actually backpedals and replaces their twitter guy publicly, if it's done without fanfare or if they care so little about social media that they just ignore it. I can't imagine this fits with the overall corporate image of the shop.
Yeah...I feel like the reaction is overblown.
Seems to me it's more like the P-A twitter handler is oblivious about the whole Gamergate thing and how it changes the society climate in the US because you know....they're not in America or even an American.
It seem like a childish reactionary tweet based on the recent K-T statement.
PetulantChild
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Except Koei Tecmo have said the exact same thing, the fact that they're quoting some clickbait site doesn't say anything other than that they have bad taste in journalism and are quoting something. Just the same way that someone quoting Kotaku doesn't mean that they support Kotaku being absolute scumbags, it just means that they are quoting something which just so happens to be shit and also pertain to what they're talking about.
Well, I meant the poorly photoshopped image. I don't understand, what it is trying to convey?
DICKS AHOY
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Or if Hyrule Warriors is any indication just take every KT franchise and slap Zelda on it to boost up sales.
People being sensitive is a good thing. Empathy, caring, you know, being a human.
In this particular case, close to noone cares. The public reputation of Dead or Alive is in the toilet. A blurp from the toilet doesn't ruffle many feathers.
charlequin
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That's true, the tone against games like DOAX2 is significantly less hostile now because the people who are upset about sexism in video games are complaining about stuff like Criminal Girls instead.
Yes, although he's also an attention-seeking clown who regularly writes nonsensical screeds about media content that no one else in mainstream internet feminism is complaining about -- witness Mad Max Fury Road (which approximately every feminist on the internet was a huge fan of except for McIntosh, who said some dumb bullshit about how violence is inherently sexist) or Witcher 3 (which is in a series that's improved its depiction of women so massively over three games that even some of the most sensitive types were like "...wait what" about his complaints.)
Basically, I feel like if McIntosh is the only person someone can dig up as a feminist voice criticizing something, it suggests that thing is actually pretty much getting a pass.
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They're signal boosting people who are upset with their tweet and a certain audience is eating it up and probably harassing them now.
We do know lewd games will keep getting localized, though. Games much more shameless than DOAX, even, lol.
CamHostage
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To be clear, Koei Tecmo UK or USA earn zero dollars from Koei Tecmo Japan making money on imports. KT corporate does, sure (and it's always good to have a healthy home office,) but you'd have to get way up the food chain before you stop using "they" and start saying "we made money" on products not sold domestically.
Reps are not blowing off the issue while wringing their hands in glee; they are swiping it off the table and out of memory (for at least as long as it'll take to determine the financials on reversing course and formalizing an international release plan...)
KuwabaraTheMan
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How do you explain them retweeting GamerGate stuff and posting a link to a Breitbart article on Facebook?
Gentleman Jack
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How big is play-asia? I can't imagine everyone who works there is okay with their official social media presence retweeting guys with this in their feed
I mean, these are the people play-asia would rather get cozy with?
AtomskEater
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It amazes me how easily people will buy into this narrative.
Too bad those dang volatile tumblr posts prevent Oneechanbara, Senran Kagura, Dungeon Travelers 2 and the like from coming over.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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I mean, it's not a comparatively strong product. If they don't feel it's worth it, than that's it. I don't know how privy their community managers are to the executive decision process, and it's possible someone pulled him aside after a meeting to tell him "it's over, they won" with a single tear rolling down his cheek, but if the company feels the game can't stand on its own merits against possible criticism, then that's just how it is. There are games without any possibly controversial content getting the same axes all the time.
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