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[Crash Station]

Anyway, this either reeks of PR stunt or overestimation of backlash to me.

If it's the latter, I'll just say I've lost a bit of respect for KT and gained a bit more for publishers that really don't care like Xseed, NISA and Mangagamer. Hell, the latter releases stuff that some people think is flat out illegal to release.

 

[Hasney]

ah, my bad, i've only used them for psn credit in the past... until i found the other site.

That other site had slightly more expensive prices than PA on codes when paying in £ too, but ehh, it's close enough.

 

[Mesoian]

I'm gay and I actually enjoyed the gameplay of the first game and I liked collecting the outfits and accessories for the game. Does that says I'm a pervert despite feeling no attraction to the material in the game?

I'd say the better question would be, if you liked the first game, why would you be interested in the 3rd game after the abysmal second game?

 

[Coolio McAwesome]

Let's take a moment to review:

1. A community manager for Team Ninja has said the game isn't coming to the west due to issues in the industry regarding depictions of females. He further explained that their decision was informed by issues that they have gone through "in the last year or two."

2. Koei-Tecmo Europe's official Twitter page has given the community manager kudos for "being honest."
https://twitter.com/koeitecmoeurope/status/669156347213127681

3. A retailer is now on the record as saying that the game isn't localized because of "SJW nonsense" (their words, not mine).

This begs the question: Why is everyone pretending that they are lying? Why is everyone trying to force the narrative that the controversy is somehow manufactured?

The initial comments from the community manager suggest that their decision was based what they have gone through "in the last year or two," so this clearly suggests that past criticism was taken into account when they made this decision. The fact that there hasn't been a lot of criticism yet for a game that hasn't been released yet is a moot point. Given the history of criticism DOA has faced (I've posted many links in this topic) and the extremely volatile environment (which journalists have spoken about at length), there's NO reason to believe that people wouldn't have complained about DOAX3. It's disingenuous to suggest that this game wouldn't have gotten negative media attention, and anyone that thinks that negative media attention isn't a factor in a cost-benefit analysis is wrong.

 

[PetulantChild]

When you have no actual intelligent response to a fairly level headed point, it's always a good idea to start building up strawmen and tilting at invisible windmills. Good job.

Saying that a game isn't coming out because of a group of people with a political opinion that historically have had a problem with fictional women being scantily clad in media will most likely complain about it with no actual insults other than a term that you've personally associated with asshats is hatespeech now? k I'll keep that in mind, very levelheaded.

 

[UpDownLeftRight]

SJW was an academic/activist in-group term for the type of annoying, lacking-in-perspective person who flips out about minor stuff and picks fights with everyone else they should be working together with over minor doctrinal differences. It's really only in the last year or so that it's been so thoroughly repurposed to refer to anyone who isn't actively in favor of racism/sexism/etc.

I don't disagree with your point entirely but I'd say it's also a little bit loose in it's definition of recent years. Coming from a family that has clearly deep running racist views I'm used to shaking my head at the nonsense some people can spout, but that doesn't make anyone against such things an SJW. They're simply a person with a view, as is the racist not a GG advocate by nature. I get you're simply explaining the modern perception of the term and while I agree with the general description the actual situation itself is much more complex than that as I'm sure you would agree.

It's something that spans so many industries and even normal life itself, so what we see by focusing a laser beam on a single industry and 2 relatively small groups who choose to identify as such is only getting a tiny window into a much larger discussion to be had. Anyway this topic is way too heavy for my usual tastes and I think I'm a beer too far in to be attempting a discussion on it so will leave it at that and hope my post came out as intended rather can coming off as offensive or anything.

 

[radios shipping overview]

I don't even want to think about how much money I've spent at P-A over the years. It's an unhealthy amount.

So, to recap:

- plain-faced cheesecake booby game: OK! Great!
- using dogwhistle jargon to pander to a shitlord hate group: Nope! Bye!

 

[way more]

I guess I missed the point where SJW became hate speech. I'm pretty sure the phrase itself was invented like 8 months ago so I don't feel too bad.

 

[Vlaphor]

Sales of the first two games never set the world on fire.

From what I've seen, it looks like the two games combined sold about a million world-wide, which is pretty good for a Japanese Niche Title (especially considering that they were on systems the Japanese barely knew existed). As a comparison, it took the Senran Kagura series 4 main games and three spin-offs, most of which were on more popular hardware, to reach a million sold. Doesn't look like a lot considering how some games sell now, but that's pretty big for a niche market, and games selling over 5 million is generally either an outlier or a Nintendo made game.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

I don't think it's a particularly great look but given the game and the audience it was going to have regardless of GG existing or not*, I don't think it's particularly surprising you'd try to attract people to your imported copies. Though GG existing and being the clusterfuck it is is also why I don't say 'SJW' anymore, so without it I don't think people would even be complaining here as much. The current season of South Park's take on what GG's trying to (tangentially, anyway) go after is a lot more nuanced than places like /pol/ could ever be anyhow.



* Though I'm weirded out its not coming out west-side given the other games did and all up the game is incredibly tame. There was probably some level of backlash but this game's announcement from the start never mentioned a release outside of Japan, right?

Was Gamergate's existence in question?

...I'm sure someone somewhere has claimed that SJWs invented Gamergate as a publicity stunt.

gamergate was originally viral-marketing for frog fractions 2 that quickly got out of hand

 

[InfiniteNine]

The people that would boycott them for this aren't exactly the kind of people that buy things from play asia in the first place. You're not going to be doing a damn thing.

I've ordered stuff from them for a while not anymore though.

The game itself I'm unsure of since it doesn't look like any fun. I'd be more likely to get DOA6.

 

[QuixoticNeutral]

Just curious, what is the "polite term" designating SJW?

Since people are crapping up the thread with replies to this like "zealot" or "human" (no zerglings, perchance?) without actually answering your question about one of today's unavoidable political realities, let me take a crack at this.

"SJW" is hurled around in many circles as a slur in the same way that "GG" is: it's coded from the start as something undebatably negative, with no attention to the ideology it stands for. But it does stand for something. A neutral descriptor of it might be "identity-communitarian progressives", although that's too unwieldy to make for a handy soundbite. Most of the people I know in this camp would be happy to be described as the radical left, as distinct from the liberal left. Whereas liberalism (in its general, non-US-centric sense) refers to a philosophy of equal treatment and individual agency under a shared set of codified laws and principles, ideally made out to be as universal as possible, the so-called "SJWs" reject this in favour of correcting systemic, situational disadvantages for classes of minorities in the here and now, with a collective emphasis on group rights over individual rights.

This is by no means the default political consensus ("human") nor something necessarily crazy ("zealot"). And come to think of it, it is most like the Zerg. But it is real, it is distinct, and there's no use pretending it's some kind of gamer-cult conspiracy theory when the split between individualist liberals and collectivist identity-centric progressives has existed for decades now; it's just flared up more than usual in the last few years. Look up some of the big controversies in black intellectual history in the civil rights era if you don't believe me. There has never been broad agreement over which set of political philosophies and tactics is best for elevating the disadvantaged.

For my part, I don't like slinging "SJW" around carelessly (or "GG", for that matter) as it's a term over which everyone has already picked a side (and one I've seen in circulation on the Internet for years), but I do know what people are referring to when they use it, and believe me, it exists.

 

[Vazra]

I'd say the better question would be, if you liked the first game, why would you be interested in the 3rd game after the abysmal second game?

There are some chances of the gameplay being tweaked. Im not buying at the moment as I lack the console but Im keeping my eye on it and see if it happens to tweak the issues I had with the second game and buy it when I get the PS4.

 

[Opto]

Fake outrage and collect that spite cash.

 

[Jathaine]

I guess I missed the point where SJW became hate speech. I'm pretty sure the phrase itself was invented like 8 months ago so I don't feel too bad.

Its closer to 5 years ago than 8 months, I think GAF might just be late to the party one that one.
I also missed the turning point where it became hate speech so I'm just as lost as you on that piece.

 

[TurnipFritters]

Let's take a moment to review:

1. A community manager for Team Ninja has said the game isn't coming to the west due to issues in the industry regarding depictions of females. He further explained that their decision was informed by issues that they have gone through "in the last year or two."

2. Koei-Tecmo Europe's official Twitter page has given the community manager kudos for "being honest."
https://twitter.com/koeitecmoeurope/status/669156347213127681

3. A retailer is now on the record as saying that the game isn't localized because of "SJW nonsense" (their words, not mine).

This begs the question: Why is everyone pretending that they are lying? Why is everyone trying to force the narrative that the controversy is somehow manufactured?

The initial comments from the community manager suggest that their decision was based what they have gone through "in the last year or two," so this clearly suggests that past criticism was taken into account when they made this decision. The fact that there hasn't been a lot of criticism yet for a game that hasn't been released yet is a moot point. Given the history of criticism DOA has faced (I've posted many links in this topic) and the extremely volatile environment (which journalists have spoken about at length), there's NO reason to believe that people wouldn't have complained about DOAX3. It's disingenuous to suggest that this game wouldn't have gotten negative media attention, and anyone that thinks that negative media attention isn't a factor in a cost-benefit analysis is wrong.

it's because you haven't established that people criticizing doa boobies impacts sales

 

[Vamphuntr]

It seems more like they are trying to hype the game by creating a fake controversy only to announce that thanks to the fans they will do a limited release. If NISA can bring over their garbage games where you touch half naked little girls I doubt KT is afraid to bring over their tame volleyball and aqua sports game.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Why does PlayAsia even care? Their whole thing is selling imports, this just means they'll have more people dropping extra $ on the Japan version, not to mention JP PSN cards for all that DLC.

The whole boycotting thing is hilariously over the top.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Let's take a moment to review:

1. A community manager for Team Ninja has said the game isn't coming to the west due to issues in the industry regarding depictions of females. He further explained that their decision was informed by issues that they have gone through "in the last year or two."

2. Koei-Tecmo Europe's official Twitter page has given the community manager kudos for "being honest."
https://twitter.com/koeitecmoeurope/status/669156347213127681

3. A retailer is now on the record as saying that the game isn't localized because of "SJW nonsense" (their words, not mine).

This begs the question: Why is everyone pretending that they are lying? Why is everyone trying to force the narrative that the controversy is somehow manufactured?

The initial comments from the community manager suggest that their decision was based what they have gone through "in the last year or two," so this clearly suggests that past criticism was taken into account when they made this decision. The fact that there hasn't been a lot of criticism yet for a game that hasn't been released yet is a moot point. Given the history of criticism DOA has faced (I've posted many links in this topic) and the extremely volatile environment (which journalists have spoken about at length), there's NO reason to believe that people wouldn't have complained about DOAX3. It's disingenuous to suggest that this game wouldn't have gotten negative media attention, and anyone that thinks that negative media attention isn't a factor in a cost-benefit analysis is wrong.

If the numbers were there to give them sufficient confidence in the sales, they'd go ahead despite preemptive fears over complaints.

 

[Aeana]

The people that would boycott them for this aren't exactly the kind of people that buy things from play asia in the first place. You're not going to be doing a damn thing.

I ran out of room on the screen.

It's not like it's hard. They aren't even the best choice anymore. The main reason I've gone with them recently is just because their most expensive FedEx shipping had a 99% chance of reaching me on the Friday of release week. But the last couple of times, it's failed, and I could've paid much less to HMV to get it on the following Monday. Big deal.

 

[Klossen]

Let's take a moment to review:

1. A community manager for Team Ninja has said the game isn't coming to the west due to issues in the industry regarding depictions of females. He further explained that their decision was informed by issues that they have gone through "in the last year or two."

2. Koei-Tecmo Europe's official Twitter page has given the community manager kudos for "being honest."
https://twitter.com/koeitecmoeurope/status/669156347213127681

3. A retailer is now on the record as saying that the game isn't localized because of "SJW nonsense" (their words, not mine).

This begs the question: Why is everyone pretending that they are lying? Why is everyone trying to force the narrative that the controversy is somehow manufactured?

The initial comments from the community manager suggest that their decision was based what they have gone through "in the last year or two," so this clearly suggests that past criticism was taken into account when they made this decision. The fact that there hasn't been a lot of criticism yet for a game that hasn't been released yet is a moot point. Given the history of criticism DOA has faced (I've posted many links in this topic) and the extremely volatile environment (which journalists have spoken about at length), there's NO reason to believe that people wouldn't have complained about DOAX3. It's disingenuous to suggest that this game wouldn't have gotten negative media attention, and anyone that thinks that negative media attention isn't a factor in a cost-benefit analysis is wrong.

And now everyone is going to ignore the issue at hand and the cause of this not getting a western release because of a stupid word in a tweet. It's bizarre. Everything we've heard from KT points to a specific factor to why they're not releasing this in the west. And again, you need only take a passing look at social media to know why. People suspected this long before KT outright said it themselves.

 

[Palette Swap]

I don't even want to think about how much money I've spent at P-A over the years. It's an unhealthy amount.

So, to recap:

- plain-faced cheesecake booby game: OK! Great!
- using dogwhistle jargon to pander to a shitlord hate group: Nope! Bye!

Thank you for this useful summation of how I feel about it.
If that's the narrative PA wants to push, they'll manage without my business from now on.


Edit: some people are completely underestimating the number of us who will import Japanese games and consoles while still wanting conversations about tropes or inclusion. Real people aren't boogeymen, they play games where there's fan service and elements they feel are debatable, that doesn't mean they automatically hate these games. The world isn't binary.

 

[Mesoian]

Let's take a moment to review:

1. A community manager for Team Ninja has said the game isn't coming to the west due to issues in the industry regarding depictions of females. He further explained that their decision was informed by issues that they have gone through "in the last year or two."

2. Koei-Tecmo Europe's official Twitter page has given the community manager kudos for "being honest."
https://twitter.com/koeitecmoeurope/status/669156347213127681

3. A retailer is now on the record as saying that the game isn't localized because of "SJW nonsense" (their words, not mine).

This begs the question: Why is everyone pretending that they are lying? Why is everyone trying to force the narrative that the controversy is somehow manufactured?

The initial comments from the community manager suggest that their decision was based what they have gone through "in the last year or two," so this clearly suggests that past criticism was taken into account when they made this decision. The fact that there hasn't been a lot of criticism yet for a game that hasn't been released yet is a moot point. Given the history of criticism DOA has faced (I've posted many links in this topic) and the extremely volatile environment (which journalists have spoken about at length), there's NO reason to believe that people wouldn't have complained about DOAX3. It's disingenuous to suggest that this game wouldn't have gotten negative media attention, and anyone that thinks that negative media attention isn't a factor in a cost-benefit analysis is wrong.

So your point is, and correct me if i'm wrong, KT is going to get a bum deal from the press in north america, so not only is it fine for them to revel in the controversy of being too cool for SJW's, it should be their core method of marketing?

I feel like we're jack knifing back into 90's print marketing.

 

[kewlbot]

Again, not gonna go into this too much, just gonna say their are horrible people within every community. It's statistically impossible for your answer to be even close to the mark. Trying to brand either side of the argument into a group which you bolster as 'good' and 'evil' is entirely counter productive. It wouldn't be a stretch to assume that this alone is also slowing any progress as it only fuels a fire we don't need.

As with any group, there are people with radical views on all sides. Somewhere in the middle is a large group of people who have different opinions but share a will to listen to each others. These are the people who will be able to do something more than cause a shouting match. To believe otherwise is to ignore history, and as they say, those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

i didnt say they where good theyre just decent

 

[KTallguy]

When I want to buy imported Japanese goods, I'll stick with AmiAmi or other sites.

Thanks for the tip on AmiAmi.

 

[Famassu]

i think when the movement is powerful enough that it is changing the culture at college campuses all across america to pretend that it doesn't exist or that referring to it in anyway as a movement is dismissive is kind of unfair thing to impose on people talking about the subject. the beatniks and hippies are recognized by the derogatory name society gave to them...its not what they called themselves. this movement is imo of enough cultural importance that it should be discussed.

SJW is a dumb term used by people who are too dumb or ignorant to actually understand a lot of the issues that socially progressive people are trying to eliminate and they are usually the ones who blow things out of proportion (i.e. cover some sideboob in a game's cover art -> CENSORSHIP! RAGE!). Like, they think that it's actually an insult to call people who want equal treatment for all kinds of groups of people SJWs, as if it's a bad thing that some people care about people other than themselves or their own ethnicity/sexuality/whatever. Instead, such usage of the term says more about the person using it (he's usually an asshole with no interest in other people's feelings or lives, especially if it inconveniences their own even a little bit) rather than the people who rally for gay and other minority rights/treatment or want women to not be so ridiculously objectified in society.

Social progressiveness is not some new phenomena. There have always been people who are vocal & even passionate about social issues and there has always been an opposing force trying to keep them down with derogatory behavior & language. SJW is just one of those terms, one which they have willfully owned as a way to immediately dismiss opinions & arguments that try to shake the status quo as some kind of inconsequential drivel that "lol, liberals" spout in their spare time.

 

[IcedTea]

I guess I missed the point where SJW became hate speech. I'm pretty sure the phrase itself was invented like 8 months ago so I don't feel too bad.

Well, the nice thing about labeling it as hate speech is that you can completely dismiss anything you want that way. If you see a nasty fact getting in the way, or a logical point making a bit too much sense, you can just ignore it and start getting angry! It's a really helpful tool for internet arguments.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

3. A retailer is now on the record as saying that the game isn't localized because of "SJW nonsense" (their words, not mine).

Not even their words, and the retailer is sourcing this claim from breitbart, hardly the most trustworthy source on anything. So really you have a community manager and breitbart for two of your three review bullet points.

They might be trying to exploit those who eat up this garbage.

Or maybe they're stupid. I dunno. I just play the pervert games.

They are 100% pandering to a known hate group, it's a calculated move on the part of at least the person who run's PA's social media.

 

[Banana Aeon]

Why does PlayAsia even care? Their whole thing is selling imports, this just means they'll have more people dropping extra $ on the Japan version, not to mention JP PSN cards for all that DLC.

They might be trying to exploit those who eat up this garbage.

Or maybe they're stupid. I dunno. I just play the pervert games.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Saying that a game isn't coming out because of a group of people with a political opinion that historically have had a problem with fictional women being scantily clad in media will most likely complain about it with no actual insults other than a term that you've personally associated with asshats is hatespeech now? k I'll keep that in mind, very levelheaded.

I'm not aware of any prominent feminist critics who have spoken out about Dead or Alive?

I'm going to need to see some specific examples of this.

And "SJW" is pretty much exclusively used in one context today. They are absolutely pandering to the GG crowd with this tweet, and actively trying to get that reactionary, right wing business. This isn't my personal association of the word, it's society's. You rarely see people using the term SJW seriously unless they're part of hate movements such as GG, the Rabid Puppies, etc, or are posting on extremist right wing sites.

 

[AtomskEater]

Let's take a moment to review:

1. A community manager for Team Ninja has said the game isn't coming to the west due to issues in the industry regarding depictions of females. He further explained that their decision was informed by issues that they have gone through "in the last year or two."

2. Koei-Tecmo Europe's official Twitter page has given the community manager kudos for "being honest."
https://twitter.com/koeitecmoeurope/status/669156347213127681

3. A retailer is now on the record as saying that the game isn't localized because of "SJW nonsense" (their words, not mine).

This begs the question: Why is everyone pretending that they are lying? Why is everyone trying to force the narrative that the controversy is somehow manufactured?

The initial comments from the community manager suggest that their decision was based what they have gone through "in the last year or two," so this clearly suggests that past criticism was taken into account when they made this decision. The fact that there hasn't been a lot of criticism yet for a game that hasn't been released yet is a moot point. Given the history of criticism DOA has faced (I've posted many links in this topic) and the extremely volatile environment (which journalists have spoken about at length), there's NO reason to believe that people wouldn't have complained about DOAX3. It's disingenuous to suggest that this game wouldn't have gotten negative media attention, and anyone that thinks that negative media attention isn't a factor in a cost-benefit analysis is wrong.

What exactly have they gone through "in the last year or two"? How has it impacted game sales? Why does it seem other companies can release cheesecake games, criticism be damned?

 

[Suzushiiro]

I'm sure that KT's comments on why the game isn't being brought over here were at least partially done to invoke a sort of Streisand effect, and Play Asia is just playing off of that. A fair number of people are probably going to buy this game just to spite the people who think that anyone who likes it is a perverted misogynist pedophile, just like with other games that have generated a lot of controversy due to the level of sexualization of their female characters.

And honestly, while there are certainly current or potential customers of PA who will take issue with the use of the term "SJW" to the point where they stop buying stuff there, I'm going to guess that the bulk of their customers will either be more inclined to give them money or (more likely) not really give a shit either way, which is why they said it in the first place.

 

[BiggNife]

Oh also Play Asia is straight up retweeting gamergaters now

Including one tweet that called out a bunch of accounts who complained, so now they're getting hatemobbed by gamergaters

so now I'm extra pissed at them

 

[Crash Station]

I don't really like it when retailers try and court a hate group.

I don't think the term is exclusively used be GGers. People can think the movement is disgusting while simultaneously not being a fan of the pushback against certain games they enjoy.

That being said, it doesn't seem like the "SJWs" have anything to do with this.

 

[Nanashrew]

Let's take a moment to review:

1. A community manager for Team Ninja has said the game isn't coming to the west due to issues in the industry regarding depictions of females. He further explained that their decision was informed by issues that they have gone through "in the last year or two."

2. Koei-Tecmo Europe's official Twitter page has given the community manager kudos for "being honest."
https://twitter.com/koeitecmoeurope/status/669156347213127681

3. A retailer is now on the record as saying that the game isn't localized because of "SJW nonsense" (their words, not mine).

This begs the question: Why is everyone pretending that they are lying? Why is everyone trying to force the narrative that the controversy is somehow manufactured?

The initial comments from the community manager suggest that their decision was based what they have gone through "in the last year or two," so this clearly suggests that past criticism was taken into account when they made this decision. The fact that there hasn't been a lot of criticism yet for a game that hasn't been released yet is a moot point. Given the history of criticism DOA has faced (I've posted many links in this topic) and the extremely volatile environment (which journalists have spoken about at length), there's NO reason to believe that people wouldn't have complained about DOAX3. It's disingenuous to suggest that this game wouldn't have gotten negative media attention, and anyone that thinks that negative media attention isn't a factor in a cost-benefit analysis is wrong.

Because no one cares about DOAX because it doesn't try to be something it's not. People know what it is and have enjoyed it and played it themselves or walked on not really caring about its existence. I know plenty who have even played and own Senran Kagura games and Onechanbara because they also don't try to be something they're not.

 

[charlequin]

This begs the question: Why is everyone pretending that they are lying? Why is everyone trying to force the narrative that the controversy is somehow manufactured?

Because there's literally no controversy anywhere about this game and so there is actually no possible explanation except that it's manufactured?

Everything we've heard from KT points to a specific factor to why they're not releasing this in the west.

That factor being... the exact same type of media criticism that every previous game in the series has received and which has never affected the franchise's viability in America in any way?

 

[Risette]

Saying that a game isn't coming out because of a group of people with a political opinion that historically have had a problem with fictional women being scantily clad in media will most likely complain about it with no actual insults other than a term that you've personally associated with asshats is hatespeech now? k I'll keep that in mind, very levelheaded.

lmao they're linking breitbart (i.e. a right wing hate site) on their Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/playasia/posts/10153922125213812

keep acting like it's just a coincidence tho

 

[SolicitorPirate]

Let's take a moment to review:

1. A community manager for Team Ninja has said the game isn't coming to the west due to issues in the industry regarding depictions of females. He further explained that their decision was informed by issues that they have gone through "in the last year or two."

2. Koei-Tecmo Europe's official Twitter page has given the community manager kudos for "being honest."
https://twitter.com/koeitecmoeurope/status/669156347213127681

3. A retailer is now on the record as saying that the game isn't localized because of "SJW nonsense" (their words, not mine).

This begs the question: Why is everyone pretending that they are lying? Why is everyone trying to force the narrative that the controversy is somehow manufactured?

The initial comments from the community manager suggest that their decision was based what they have gone through "in the last year or two," so this clearly suggests that past criticism was taken into account when they made this decision. The fact that there hasn't been a lot of criticism yet for a game that hasn't been released yet is a moot point. Given the history of criticism DOA has faced (I've posted many links in this topic) and the extremely volatile environment (which journalists have spoken about at length), there's NO reason to believe that people wouldn't have complained about DOAX3. It's disingenuous to suggest that this game wouldn't have gotten negative media attention, and anyone that thinks that negative media attention isn't a factor in a cost-benefit analysis is wrong.

As people have explained many, many, MANY times in the thread, there are two primary reasons:

A) the criticism is nowhere near as severe or widespread as you are pretending they are. Games like Senran Kagura or Dungeon Travellers will come out, and some people will point at the shameless booby game. But in no way does any of that dominate the discussion.

B) what criticism these games receive is meaningless because the target audience does not care. No one is saying, "well, I was going to buy that Senran Kagura game but someone explained to me how a game about highschool girls beating the clothes off each other is kinda sexist and now I'm not gonna buy it."

 

[Rengoku]

I'm not aware of any prominent feminist critics who have spoken out about Dead or Alive?

I'm going to need to see some specific examples of this.

And "SJW" is pretty much exclusively used in one context today. They are absolutely pandering to the GG crowd with this tweet, and actively trying to get that reactionary, right wing business. This isn't my personal association of the word, it's society's. You rarely see people using the term SJW seriously unless they're part of hate movements such as GG, the Rabid Puppies, etc, or are posting on extremist right wing sites.

 

[Mesoian]

There are some chances of the gameplay being tweaked. Im not buying at the moment as I lack the console but Im keeping my eye on it and see if it happens to tweak the issues I had with the second game and buy it when I get the PS4.

It's an aside, but I wish these games didn't have to lean quite so heavily into the cheesecake factor and actually had gameplay to make them enjoyable, even if you're not into the over-exaggerated skin fluff. "It's an okay game, for one of THOSE games" is a pretty weak line of suggestion, but it's the one I get time and time again from these skinship heavy Vita games.

More Bayonetta, less...well...less DOAX, to be frank.

I don't know if I'd hold up McIntosh's name up as a sterling example as he's one of these people who finds violent games to be overly problematic without offering any suggestions on how to create conflict without violence.

 

[Forsythia]

Wow, the amount of butt-hurt over the tweet is ridiculous. It's not like they're wrong that a certain kind if people are to blame for this. If this weren't true, people would just ignore the tweet and move on.

 

[Klossen]

That factor being... the exact same type of media criticism that every previous game in the series has received and which has never affected the franchise's viability in America in any way?

Are you claiming the tone against these type of games is the same as when DOAX2 released? Because it's not. It's quite a miracle if you can even talk about certain games on NeoGAF without the thread derailing into whether or not the devs are sexist. It's become a recurring theme in the past two or so years.

 

[Opto]

I'm not aware of any prominent feminist critics who have spoken out about Dead or Alive?

I'm going to need to see some specific examples of this.

Like maybe Feminist Frequency used a clip from DOA in a series of clips ? Everything else i've heard has been from mostly everyone wondering what the fuck they were thinking when adding marie.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Let's take a moment to review:

1. A community manager for Team Ninja has said the game isn't coming to the west due to issues in the industry regarding depictions of females. He further explained that their decision was informed by issues that they have gone through "in the last year or two."

2. Koei-Tecmo Europe's official Twitter page has given the community manager kudos for "being honest."
https://twitter.com/koeitecmoeurope/status/669156347213127681

3. A retailer is now on the record as saying that the game isn't localized because of "SJW nonsense" (their words, not mine).

This begs the question: Why is everyone pretending that they are lying? Why is everyone trying to force the narrative that the controversy is somehow manufactured?

The initial comments from the community manager suggest that their decision was based what they have gone through "in the last year or two," so this clearly suggests that past criticism was taken into account when they made this decision. The fact that there hasn't been a lot of criticism yet for a game that hasn't been released yet is a moot point. Given the history of criticism DOA has faced (I've posted many links in this topic) and the extremely volatile environment (which journalists have spoken about at length), there's NO reason to believe that people wouldn't have complained about DOAX3. It's disingenuous to suggest that this game wouldn't have gotten negative media attention, and anyone that thinks that negative media attention isn't a factor in a cost-benefit analysis is wrong.

Things you're missing:

1) They announced it as Asia only at the beginning with no intention of bringing it to the west.
2) They explicitly said "It will come to the west if there is significant fan demand." Read the conditional statement there. That it's not coming to the west indicates there wasn't enough demand, no?
3) The community manager deleted those posts, so we have no idea if he was acting on his own and was scolded or not. Your interpretation is that it must be true because he deleted it, mine is that he made up an excuse to diffuse a situation (as community managers have done in the past) and was forced to delete it. Could be either one, but you're assuming your interpretation is fact.
4) Koei Tecmo's twitter once bragged that the London Riots were a "life imitating art" example from Ninja Gaiden 3. They are not smart people and they tend to let their twitter just say whatever without oversight or talking to different branches. It's not confirmation that Team Ninja's Facebook comments must be accurate because a twitter account across the world used the word "truth."

 

[Gentleman Jack]

It's not like they're wrong that a certain kind if people are to blame for this.

You know this how? Because breitbart said so?

 

[Nanashrew]

Wow, the amount of butt-hurt over the tweet is ridiculous. It's not like they're wrong that a certain kind if people are to blame for this. If this weren't true, peopke would just ignore the tweet and move on.

But no one even knew it existed or even cared about the Xtreme series at all to begin with.

What it is, is a terrible game with shallow mini-games that have been criticized a lot and have repeated low scores from reviews and bombing in the west with previous entries.

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

Lol dayum man 1 retweet and 4 likes no wonder KT is scared

 

[radios shipping overview]

Now P-A's Twitter account is RTing GG memes. I think they made a poor choice of social media manager.

 

[way more]

Not even their words, and the retailer is sourcing this claim from breitbart, hardly the most trustworthy source on anything. So really you have a community manager and breitbart for two of your three review bullet points.



They are 100% pandering to a known hate group, it's a calculated move on the part of at least the person who run's PA's social media.

Ah, I see. I am compelled to join all you SJW'ers (I can say that, I'm one of you) and say fuck Play-Asia's twitter and them. Basing your beliefs on a Breitbart article makes you a grade-A asshat.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Okay, that's one.

Although it seems to be from after Koei-Tecmo announced the lack of western release based on the time stamp, so I doubt that it could have any relation to that. Unless they've been using that Dynasty Warriors money to fund crystal ball research.