It's not about the game though. This was a blatant attempt by play asia to pander to gamergate, who have hurt so many damn people this last year.
Play-Asia says SJWs to blame for DOAX3 not coming west
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cartographer
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No. I doubt even KT takes it seriously.
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No, they're complaning about "SJWs" supposedly preventing the game from being localised when that's not even the case. They're trying to get some import sales from perpetually angry gamergate-type people.
theangrypirate
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I doubt the type of people interested in importing DOAX 3 are the type of people that would be offended by that tweet.
DICKS AHOY
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I think they meant people who use Play-Asia but aren't the type of people to import DOAX3.
clay_ghost
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What is sjw?
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Playasia sells a lot more things than just DOAX3.
InfiniteNine
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Well they already lost a few sales from people in this thread from people importing the game from elsewhere now so you're not entirely accurate.
radios shipping overview
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Well, you'd be mistaken.
kamineko
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Glad to see my skeleton to Skeleton extension still works
I like me some problematic media now and again, but fuck that dog whistle garbage
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Here is the rational wiki article, it's pretty good
I like me some problematic media now and again, but fuck that dog whistle garbage
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Here is the rational wiki article, it's pretty good
A strawman.
SSJGSSJSJW Goku?
I'm going to stop you right there, you cannot compare a fictional corporate product to a real human being.
Gun Animal
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creepy fanservice stuff probably accounts for 90% of what play-asia sells.
yeah, like naked schoolgirl figures and other creepy fanservice games.
Banana Aeon
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I used them for pretty much all my import gaming orders in the last few years, and even for some NTSC games. But I discovered other alternatives thanks to this thread (AmiAmi, etc.).
DangerMouse
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We'll have to wait. Won't be seeing them anytime soon. It doesn't come out until late February.
Already preordered.
Banana Aeon
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I used them for pretty much all my import gaming orders in the last few years, and even for some NTSC games. But I discovered other alternatives thanks to this thread (AmiAmi, etc.).
AmiAmi is fantastic.
They don't take kindly to canceling orders tho.
Are you really?
They'll cut you some slack for a few orders though as long as you ask nice and well in advance.
Coolio McAwesome
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There are zero sources for the other side of the argument at this point. If there were any sources that contradicted what these them, then it would be a different story. As it stands right now, there are zero sources that have contradicted what has been said by those individuals.
Anyone who invalidates my arguments because they don't feel the sources are good enough should also invalidate the counter-arguments that are being made without any sources at all.
There are still quite a few games that don't get localized, and not because of fan service stuff. You have MH clones that don't sell in the west like God Eater, the Yakuza spinoffs (and sadly, maybe the main entries in the future), stuff from specifically Japanese franchises like Gundam and Kamen Rider, weird puzzle games, etc. Figure wise, Japan sells a ton more than fan service stuff. A bunch of awesome non-fanservice video game figures come out and never make it over here, like the recent Monster Hunter transformable stuff. You also have a ton of exclusive console editions that come out to japan.
Fanservice stuff is a significant market, sure, but I doubt it's the most significant portion of the import market.
I'll back them up as well. The only problem is they sell out super quick for popular items. In those cases, it's good to have a backup shop. For game and exclusive stuff that I need a middleman for, I like Nippon-Yassan. A bit expensive, but very reliable. For non-game stuff, I go with HLJ because they let you hold stuff to combine orders and save on shipping.
Gun Animal
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I used them for pretty much all my import gaming orders in the last few years, and even for some NTSC games. But I discovered other alternatives thanks to this thread (AmiAmi, etc.).
Yeah Play-Asia is and has been the worst site for japanese imports for awhile. And I didn't mean to say that all their business is fanservice related (I bought a Kamen Rider game from them recently, as well as the MGSV PS4 headset) but only that it's their primary source of business.
You're right, it's probably not. I believe it is in the case of this specific merchant, however. Like I said I import frequently and have gotten the impression that play-asia specifically caters to a certain crowd more so than other import sites.
other than i don't recall seeing a major backlash for doax3. or for doa5fr. or remember doax2 because that was like 9 years ago.
How do you get evidence for there not being a boycott save for a lack of an active boycott?
Uhhh, people compare fictional people to real people all the time and have done so for centuries. Literature study and character analysis from such literature study has been a thing for almost as long as there's been books with works of fiction in them. Such analysis has been part of our entertainment culture from long before our oldest living ancestor drew their first breath.
But more to the point, I'd like you to explain the reasoning for why I can't, since I'd like to know the reason why I can't in the context I presented it.
Palculator
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It wasn't my argument, you guessed that correctly. The second part of my post implicitely acknowledged the inherent sexualisation which is presumably appealing to straight men. And I guess lesbian women, so easily forgotten.
I wouldn't argue it's not offensive to fans of those characters and would understand the backlash such a sudden change in characterisation would cause. My point was more about it not being inherently in opposition to women's rights.
I would disagree with the overall thought process that being at the mercy of their creators berieves characters of any and all agency, even if their overall role gets "reduced" to being more beneficial to the audience than themselves. Them being products of entertainment doesn't just make them sex objects, they make them [insert appeal] objects, after all, so that line of thought always appeared as a WMD shattering the bulk of (fictional) characterisation to me.
DR2K
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How you choose to interpret content is a matter of opinion. It's like calling GTA a murder simulator, and to a lot of people it's just that. You can completely ignore all the other aspects that many people play it for and choose to narrow how you define the series based on it's violence alone.
We praise senseless violence in video games and it rarely goes under scrutiny, but sexual content of any nature is scrutinized to a comically ignorant degree.
I'm willing to bet this is the truth.
You are asking to prove a negative.
We can't. All we have are anecdotes apparently, though no major or minor outlets that I know of have even talked about the game either. That should also be proof but I guess it's not.
Ok so Play-Asia are using an excuse to profit more from import sales to western countries, when they could make money anyway from their non-import copies to sell to the west? This ... doesn't make business sense to me.
Bizzare.
And they want to attract attention from Gamergate or SJW's or whatever to actually start something, so it could sound like a non-lie further down the line.
What's speculated and what's the known truth?
Drilbit777
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Oh well if thats the case than thats a dumb reason to get people riled up, the same people who are importing the game probably don't give two shits about that.
neogaffer1
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that's not what i was saying? when you look at porn, softcore or hardcore, you are able to enjoy it because the person on display is viewed as a sex object rather than an actual human being. it's one thing when it happens with pornstars--porn is porn, and actresses in that industry generally know what they're getting into and what to expect. but taking female icons from other media and doing that treatment to them? that's starting to get iffy.
but you're just ignoring what i'm writing and saying "i don't think they're worthwhile as feminist icons, so instead i'm going to attack this strawman about how sexualization is a bad thing no matter what."
and to disprove your one argument against what i actually said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nikki...er-woman-helped-shape-feminism_b_5631334.html
http://www.vulture.com/2015/10/supergirl-review-feminist-series.html
http://comicsalliance.com/batgirl-35-review-cameron-stewart-babs-tarr-brenden-fletcher-dc-comics/
No. He is asking you to disprove the few sources we do actually. And nobody is doing that. It's just bunch of assumptions and opinions.
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Maybe I'm too tired but I read this post twice and I don't understand it at all...
StereoVsn
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They are though fairly reliable and carry Asian versions that are difficult to find outside random eBay sellers. I have had an issue with yesasia before and never heard about superufo so they are kind of a go to source for some stuff (like the Gundam VS with English subs).
For Japanese imports there are quite a few other choices. Although even then if you don't preorder PlayAsia or eBay may be the choice (or US Amazon sometimes). AmiAmi and CDJapan run out of stock fairly quickly. NipponYassan is another choice too.
This game I couldn't care less about but need that Gundam fix.
Tye The Czar
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Enemies of Gaming Then:
Enemies of Gaming Now (according to GG):
We've come a looooong way, GAF.
- Opportunistic Politicians who try to get games banned.
- Crooked Lawyers who sue game companies and threaten his critics online.
- Puritanical Religious Groups who try to get games banned.
- Fox News. Enough said.
Enemies of Gaming Now (according to GG):
- People who complain on the internet
- Journalists who say things we disagree with
- Women who say things we don't like
- Women whom he said she said(but mostly he) did things despite evidence otherwise
We've come a looooong way, GAF.
I'm confused. Is some Twitter account supposed to announce they're not boycotting the game. Was someone supposed to have done that before this controversy started? I'm not sure how you prove rhe contrary, because proving the contrary seems as simple as being unable to prove that there is a boycott. Do the original sources show people saying they're boycotting the gane?
The original claim wasn't related to a boycott but a general shift in tone towards games like DOAX.
*sigh*
I really don't feel like getting into a long argument that basically had nothing to do with this thread. However, I'll just leave it at this, a real human being has the ability to choose. If Wonder Woman was a real live person there is nothing preventing her and nothing wrong if she chose to pose for Sports Illustrated Swimsuit or even Playboy. A fictional character has no free will as you pointed out, their decisions are made by the people that hold the rights to their franchise and those people have every right to do with those characters as they please. In this scenario their decisions are guided primarily by the free market, they will do what they believe will sell and meet with approval by their fanbase.
Wonder Woman cannot be "exploited" because the entire point of her existence is exploitation alongside every other fictional character.
Considering that personal agency is basically the fundamental point of feminism and women's rights? I'll have to disagree on that. And to say that a creation with no personal will somehow has agency? Sorry, also going to disagree with that.
But yes, they are [insert appeal] objects, but that doesn't mean that all objectification is equal.
Literature critics have for years complained that literary characters can sometimes being overly tortured and manipulated emotionally by writers, turning them into people with near-alien motivations at best merely to amp up a reader's emotional reaction to their tragedies, and some critics have basically hit the same thought:
Because the characters are essentially objects, they are there to be manipulated, but it's when they are manipulated in disjointed, unpleasant, and unnecessary or incomprehensible ways to an audience that criticism of that means of manipulation and objectification becomes an issue in need of consideration.
Wonder Woman cannot be exploited, you are right, but I never said it was "exploitation". Also, while the character can't be exploited, as a representation of women (among other things), manipulating Wonder Woman in a way that would be exploitative exploits the image of women in general society and that particular subsection of the female archetype she represents if the context in which she is represented does not align with that manipulation. They have no agency and no say, so they cannot represent an individual but merely the broad representation of the human analogs which those characters represent. So the moment you betray the context which makes them distinct, they don't represent themselves anymore, but their most broad traits, because the character has done something that betrays their context and by necessity has that individual character context stripped away to its bare-bones components and become a symbol instead of a character, a representation of the broadest biological and social markers. In the case of Wonder Woman in a swimsuit, she becomes a sex object and ONLY a sex object because Wonder Woman as a character is no longer in the picture.
cartographer
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There's not much interpretation necessary. It speaks for itself. Not exactly peeling an onion here.
It's not even as nuanced as something like GTA or even the main series games. No need to shift things here. You know why the game exists, too. It is what it is.
And yet Senran Kagura exists and gets localized and played. Same for other super lewd games. There is honestly nothing stopping them.
ShockingAlberto
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Tecmo announced it as Asia only from the getgo and then said they would consider changing their minds if there was significant demand.
That was the official company stance.
The most logical answer is there isn't significant demand, especially since they have released games in America this year without fear of angry SJWs. Games that are just as bad in the same arenas.
They also deleted this explanation they gave about it being because of a fear of a backlash. So they're really standing by it.
That was the official company stance.
The most logical answer is there isn't significant demand, especially since they have released games in America this year without fear of angry SJWs. Games that are just as bad in the same arenas.
They also deleted this explanation they gave about it being because of a fear of a backlash. So they're really standing by it.
How do you prove or disprove that? It seems the attitude towards the game itself is a largely uncaring mass. That would show the contrary?
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