TheSlySoul
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Sadly you do have a point. The word has lost all its original meaning thanks to the idiots.
It is why I disowned the word epic as well.
Play-Asia says SJWs to blame for DOAX3 not coming west
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It is why I disowned the word epic as well.
Corronchilejano
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So,Play Asia, recognizing the frankly unfair situation this game faces, decides to do the game Justice by offering the asian-english version up for preorder. Using their full Social engine, they call upon brave gamers to make themselves heard and fight the good fight against outrage, like Warriors.
Seems pretty cut and dry to me what these people are.
Seems pretty cut and dry to me what these people are.
Gentleman Jack
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^ This right here, this is outrage culture.
You are putting too much stock in the SJW comment. There are other, more public places to vent criticism than twitter and forums.
It's going to be really interesting/funny seeing how well the "english" asia version is translated.
Mr. Giggles
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Thanks, was just gonna google
Takeru
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Well, I'm not against Play-Asia (well. not because of this.) but I heard decent from this website:
http://www.pcgamesupply.com/buygames/sony-playstation-network-cards/Hong-Kong-Region/
PA is too expensive so I use other alternative for imports, though.
When they say "nobody gives a damn about the game", they mean that nobody gave enough of a damn about it to start the "sjw backlash" that doesn't exist. The sentence structure made it clear that "nobody" referred to "nobody among the group you classify as sjw's", but if that needed clarification for you its fine.
Play-Asia is citing imaginary outrage that didn't exist as a reason to not sell their game, and using this as an advertising technique to generate sales... looks like they were the real outrage culture this while time eh?
Crash Station
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Then shouldn't he be SJW Principal and not PC Principal?
Sort of. A bit overzealous of me in my post but DOA and Play-Asia are two things I haven't heard about in years, yet now they're on my mind because Austin Walker made a "I am disappointed" tweet about it. If he hadn't, I would have seen Dave Lang's humourous tweet. If not Lang, this thread, or another tweet, or an article, or another tweet down the road. I've no interest in what DOA provides but I also don't care if someone else wants to get titillation from it (once they stay away from me). But there are going to be those people on gaf and other places where this is making the rounds - hell, by making this post I'm sending this thread up to the top, increasing the chances of someone with these "interests" seeing it and giving Play-Asia money inadvertently. I can see Play-Asia coming out more profitable by going down this hole than if they hadn't in the end. They're going to keep poking the bear because the bear is going to keep poking back and garnering interest/controversy. I'm not saying don't talk about it, but be aware that the only one profiting in a meaningful way is Play-Asia. People will get bored of this like they get bored of every other event of a similar vein and Play-Asia will be laughing the entire time with how a few free tweet made a better marketing campaign than having paid advertising.
I think it fits into to him not realising he's just being a self-serving dick and not helping the progressive movement in any meaningful long term way. No one wants to be the stereotype put forth when someone says "SJW", they want to believe they are truly PC, even if they are just using PC as an excuse to bully and what not.
Pejo
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I wholly agree that it's not the entire reason, and that no business would turn away "free money" if it made sense. I'm just saying I think it's a little of column A and column B in this case.
And it kinda stinks in my opinion. I've been against games in the past, mainly for business practices instead of content, but I wouldn't want the game to not come out because of that. Live and let live has been a motto for me for a long, long time.
LudicrousSpeed
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Would you like to elaborate on exactly what you think is unfair? Is it anything beyond the fact that people are going to criticize the product KT has created?
Paracelsus
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidth...s-cites-depictions-of-violence-against-women/
If you don't think it can happen you just haven't looked hard enough. The Xenoblade slider fiasco is another example.
TheSlySoul
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Heh, never thought about that. Soul Justice Principal would have been great. Guess they wanted to use PCP because that is the frat the guy is in.
So let's take this to it's logical conclusion. You're saying that because Japanese society leans conservative, it therefore holds more archaic views on women and how they viewed in popular culture. This essentially allows for an environment in which a game developer can create a game that is essentially pure sexual objectification of women and safely release this game in their home country because women's movements in Japan have not yet progressed far enough to allow the kind of criticism that would have any meaningful impact.
And this is in contrast to the West where you say that culture has progressed so far that it can create enough of an outcry that would essentially deter developers from releasing a game that, in the view of Western culture, demeans its female characters beyond what they feel is reasonable.
And you feel that the latter is a bad thing.
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Wow, I sincerely didn't think people cared about that, let alone enough to say it's a "fiasco".
PsychoSoldier
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Well, we're specifically addressing the PA "spin" on this in this particular thread, which makes it about some fictional SJW hivemind out to get the game,
There is a way to look at the KT statement that makes it not about random Tumblr/Twitter/forum comments and more about societal norms in general, which is a thing that companies always have to look at when releasing in any country. Maybe they were less worried about some invented boogeyman and more about how mainstream society would react to having a girl who looks like a middle-schooler in this game?
Could it be possible K-T fear some potential lawsuits? After all that sorta backlash wouldn't happen till the game is released and on shelves.
mckmas8808
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Eh, who knows, but the number is still rising at a very fast rate
And people who hate SJWs (this is not real) is alot more than 25k people.
Crash Station
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I think the common sentiment is that they want products without diversity to not exist. Which again shouldn't be applied here because this is mostly a manufactured controversy.
why are you using an example from austrailia, a country whose video game ratings are some of the harshest in the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_video_games_in_Australia
what would someone sue over
PC is still the boogeyman of choice for rich white comedians who already sold out years ago, though.
I'm pretty sure that post is sarcastic. He's accusing Play Asia of engaging in a Social War for Justice, in effect adopting a method they perceive some "enemy" of theirs employs.
Play Asia wants to #brand itself in opposition to "SJWs" but they clearly are SJWs just except their ultimate goal is selling ~products~ instead of getting someone fired or whatever SJW brigades typically get up to.
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ShockingAlberto
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Speaking of Play-Asia, they've been keeping it classy.
Also, in the time I took to take screenshots, they have been deleting retweets (or the original accounts themselves have deleted tweets) from prominent gaters. There are also replies to accounts that seem to only follow PlayAsia and Mangagamer and have like two tweets, asking PlayAsia to "Please save the lolis."
This is the group you guys want to hitch your wagon to, huh.
Also, in the time I took to take screenshots, they have been deleting retweets (or the original accounts themselves have deleted tweets) from prominent gaters. There are also replies to accounts that seem to only follow PlayAsia and Mangagamer and have like two tweets, asking PlayAsia to "Please save the lolis."
This is the group you guys want to hitch your wagon to, huh.
Personally I'd put it somewhere above "tiff" but somewhere below "hullaballoo". "Spat" maybe?
The controversy is basically:
Play-Asia: Evil SJWs are banning your games
Redditors/Gamergaters: Those evil SJWs, I'm outraged!!!!
Rest: What?
Crash Station
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I'm... conflicted.
This thing with GTA5 getting banned in one shop chain in Australia doesn't work when put in context, and is pretty disingenuous to anyone who does know it and still tries to push this (I'll assume you don't).
Just a few years ago (or less) Australia would flat out ban games like GTA5. The game getting pulled from one shop is a massive improvement on how it was before, and the fact is did is more a last gasp of Australia's fucked up approach to high age-rating games than a wider point about feminists coming for our games or whatever. It doesn't hold up at all when you take it outside of Australia, because it's intrinsically linked to that countries previously awful (and still recovering) approach to things like this.
I'm not sure how US laws work, but can't a product be removed for obscenity?
My apologies if I'm off.
Iva Demilcol
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And you chose to avoid to mention that I'm talking about a non english speaking community from another country. Seriously, stop assuming crazy things.
Valdfellgar
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No, I didn't say that. I more meant they handle their issues in a more conservative fashion, choosing to not to make a big deal out of things like we do. Cultural difference.
I think it's actually a good thing someone can make that game there without heavy backlash. I don't believe sexualized media is inherently wrong, I do think it's too limited and narrowed in who it's aimed at and what's available for other sexual orientations besides hetero male.
And with our culture I think bashing and shaming are an unfortunate side effect of more pronounced and critical discussions. On both sides.
I feel that both cultures and situations have their bonuses and minuses. I don't think western culture is the clear superior culture.
MudoSkills
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This is a terrible way for me to find out that the game isn't getting a western release.
Steve Youngblood
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The only type of retribution would be for misleading the ESRB board. As is, if there's nothing hidden away, it'll just be an M-rated game. There's nothing outright pornographic about it. But if it turns out a cheat code can unlock the secret hardcore sex mode? Yeah, it could get into some hot water if that wasn't disclosed to the ratings board.
Ah alright, thanks for the clarification! Sorry for the dumb post.
ShockingAlberto
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One would have assumed you would have found that out when, like, they announced it and said "This game isn't getting a western release."
PsychoSoldier
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If it gets rated AO by the ESRB most big box stores will refuse to carry it. But it won't be removed by government authorities or anything like that.
But this game would probably get rated M because as far as we know it has no nudity, just ogling skimpily clad girls playing volleyball and other games.
That is what I'm suggesting, justified fear or not.
The SJW comment by PA is just an attempt to cash in on controversy, started by the KT statement. Which is either an intentional attempt to deflect backlash or an overly opinionated PR person.
AO games for home consoles don't really exist. Platform holders themselves don't allow it.
MudoSkills
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It's not a game I've been following closely.
what are you conflicted on?
MHWilliams
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Or when they released the character poll for the game only in Japan and Asia. The only reason we really assumed it was coming was because Keoi Tecmo usually brings everything over.
ShockingAlberto
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Sony doesn't license AO games, so it's a moot point. Their only choice then would be to publish exclusively on PC.
Not that it matters, DOAX3 doesn't warrant an AO. It would be a soft M at worst. Convincing retailers to buy it might be a huge problem, though.
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