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[Deleted member 126221]

oh god, I'm not sure how I'd feel about T. Swift or Drake in Taiko no Tatsujin

actually wait, I'd feel pretty good about that, but I'd still be sad about losing the japanese music

Taiko Drum Master is awesome with My Sharona, Love Shack, and the Jimmy Neutron song.

Oh god, I need to re-plug my PS2.

 

[Foffy]

Those cursed SJWs keeping The Great Ace Attorney from us!

It's probably more of the curse of Capcom making the localized games regarding retconning the events to imply they're in America.

They can't retcon a game very clearly set in Japan in a visual sense, can they?

Spoiler

We'll probably get a fan translation of the game one day, so it's not the end of the world.

As for the main topic here, I am quite surprised at how big this thread is. In fact, isn't this one of the best times to praise region free platforms? You can get this game, in English, by importing. You're not being fucked over except the title perhaps costing more than usual if you get it at launch.

Pick your battles, friends. Dragon Quest X's omission is a far bigger offense than not seeing this on store shelves in America or Europe.

 

[Valdfellgar]

Can you cite any other case? Because you seem to be making the claim that the KT case is part of a larger ongoing trend but is there another instance where a game was held back for fear of backlash from the content?



Again, cite the case. Who is doing this shaming? Are you contending that there are people who would otherwise buy these games are choosing not to because of shaming?

First off, I believe Xenoblade Chronicle X's censorship of the character creation or Fatal Frame's extra costume censorship is part of the growing trend. I don't think there are too many specific cases surrounding localization yet, but I think it'll grow with time. I think this is the tip of the iceberg in terms of companies becoming shy about their more sexual properties and bringing them to the west.

I think though that companies like X seed may capitalize on this and end up "saving" some of these games for the Western market.

Shaming happens in most Gaf or really any internet boards surrounding the more lewd games coming from Japan, like Senran Kagura. I've seen enough people called disgusting perverts or degenerates or other variations (both directly and generalized) over the last few years to see there's quite a lot of shaming even just here. But it's a wide spread issue, not a Gaf centric issue.

It's part of why games like Criminal Girls and the like became banned topics as neither side of the issue could be civil.

As for people who would buy but don't because of shaming, I have no idea. I'm sure someone has felt judged enough to not grab up on a purchase, but I'm not contending that's anywhere close to a wide spread issue. I honestly have no idea if anyone has been shamed to the point of not buying the game, but that's also not my point. My point is more it isn't right or productive to make people feel shameful about their interests.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Because if you really think GTAV and MGSV are the same as DOAX3 then you are insane. The status level is vastly different. And the former sells insane ammount. Money is enough to ignore any social thing. GTA also generally does not give a fuck about pissing people off.

What about Dragon's Crown? Again, it was a game with actual backlash. Atlus is a smaller company than Koei-Tecmo, and they never hesitated to release it nor was it edited in any way. Next year Xseed will release Senran Kagura: Estival Versus on the PS4 and Vita. They're also smaller than Koei-Tecmo. Earlier this year Marvelous released Onechanbara Z2 for the PS4

and again..why do you think Nintendo wanted to change it. I think the change was for the best..but lets not act like there isn't any public pressure.

Because western Nintendo is very family oriented. Look at their commercials. They generally feature either teens or children playing games with their families. That's their identity. They aren't going to release a T rated game, which might as well just be a game for everyone, with a boob slider.

 

[Dio]

oh god, I'm not sure how I'd feel about T. Swift or Drake in Taiko no Tatsujin

actually wait, I'd feel pretty good about that, but I'd still be sad about losing the japanese music

I sure as hell know I wouldn't buy the new Taiko no Tatsujin if they removed the Trails and Ys music from it, or didn't have the Demetori Touhou arrange.

 

[Nanashrew]

First off, I believe Xenoblade Chronicle X's censorship of the character creation or Fatal Frame's extra costume censorship is part of the growing trend. I don't think there are too many specific cases surrounding localization yet, but I think it'll grow with time. I think this is the tip of the iceberg in terms of companies becoming shy about their more sexual properties and bringing them to the west.

I think though that companies like X seed may capitalize on this and end up "saving" some of these games for the Western market.

Shaming happens in most Gaf or really any internet boards surrounding the more lewd games coming from Japan, like Senran Kagura. I've seen enough people called disgusting perverts or degenerates or other variations (both directly and generalized) over the last few years to see there's quite a lot of shaming even just here. But it's a wide spread issue, not a Gaf centric issue.

It's part of why games like Criminal Girls and the like became banned topics as neither side of the issue could be civil.

As for people who would buy but don't because of shaming, I have no idea. I'm sure someone has felt judged enough to not grab up on a purchase, but I'm not contending that's anywhere close to a wide spread issue. I honestly have no idea if anyone has been shamed to the point of not buying the game, but that's also not my point. My point is more it isn't right or productive to make people feel shameful about their interests.

Criminal Girls is a banned topic due to the sexualization of underaged girls. Try again.

 

[Risette]

What about Dragon's Crown? Again, it was a game with actual backlash. Atlus is a smaller company than Koei-Tecmo, and they never hesitated to release it nor was it edited in any way. Next year Xseed will release Senran Kagura: Estivial Versus on the PS4 and Vita. They're also smaller than Koei-Tecmo. Earlier this year Marvelous released Onechanbara Z2 for the PS4

Estival Versus is way racier than DOAX3 too. Like, it might be the lewdest console (i.e., non-eroge) game I've ever played (it's also a really good action game and y'all should get it)

 

[Yoshi]

Those cursed SJWs keeping The Great Ace Attorney from us!

There's a bit of a difference in investment between releasing an already localized sports game and translating a heavily text based niche-adventure...

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Well for some seeing attractive physically fit people jumping around in that kind of attire is. Certainly theres a crowd who watch beach volleyball just for that. I assume theres both women and men who do that.

It's a yearly event in my country that attracts a huge audience both live and on TV and we don't even have a sea.

 

[Valdfellgar]

Criminal Girls is a banned topic due to the sexualization of underaged girls. Try again.

Fine: Dungeon Travelers 2 then. Literally just read that wasn't banned until it got volatile.

 

[Fudgepuppy]

When will we get Dynasty Social Justice Warriors?

 

[Lime]

It's a sign of the maturation of the medium.

One could say on the surface that something like photography is a part of everyday life now, since fucking everyone has a camera on their phone that has extremely high quality picture taking abilities. It used to be host to some extremely controversial debates about the nature of censorship and politics and political expression.

I'm glad that these arguments are happening now, because the sooner people get over all this the closer we'll get to arguing about some newer medium. People are really sensitive right now and all the nuts are coming out of the woodwork and jumping at shadows while others don't want things to exist at all - but in the end, this particular instance had one of the most inconsequential events to spark something larger.

Maybe one day people will be able to feel secure about buying their titty games and stop imagining they're being oppressed, publishers won't be afraid of things that won't actually affect sales, and people won't threaten to kill themselves to keep localizers from bringing games over from Japan (see: the Akiba's Trip thing) et cetera.

No, I just think it's a certain demographic of people growing naturally into the future Tea Party / reactionary neo-conservatives. They are openly racist, sexist, and homophobic, and one could probably argue that video games haven't had an established banner or name that these bigots could subscribe to. They now have and we then see examples of companies and developers who choose to pander to this demographic in order to earn money or get relevant (or simply agreeing with the ideology).

Ideology is flowing through all of our lives - this is just an explication of one ideology trying to set root and push back against anyone criticizing the oppressive status quo. It's more of a clash of ideologies with insecure people who feel threatened by women speaking out. So they lose all perspective, denies what everyone is telling them, and doubles down on the misogyny, racism, homophobia, conspiracy theories, and all the other things associated with the shitfest that is Gamergate and people subscribing to their ideology.

Time isn't linear progress that just gets better and better. It's not a safe bet that things will get better and "mature". This is the future reactionary neo-conservatives who feel harassment and terrorism are entirely acceptable in the name of video games. And of course we have the usual "neutral / both sides" people who just stand idly by while this harassment is going on and who can afford to ignore it because they aren't affected by it. Thus, the comfortable status quo remains because of neutrality, always asking questions/doubting, or always being critical without being supportive (see a lot of posters on GAF).

 

[RionaaM]

this is literally manufactured controversy. Pretty funny how when there's actually a manufactured controversy for once it's coming from the people who are always complaining about manufactured controversy

Yep, the people who complain about "SJWs" love to talk a lot of bullshit about what they call "professional victims". Well, here is a pretty clear case of a company that created a controversy out of nowhere purely for profit. Where are they now?

Rhetorical question, of course. They couldn't care less about this stuff, they only want to maintain the status quo.

Those cursed SJWs keeping The Great Ace Attorney from us!

Damn, if it weren't for the likes of Anita Sarkessian and her ilk, I could be enjoying my official English copy of Investigations 2 today

 

[Mik317]

What about Dragon's Crown? Again, it was a game with actual backlash. Atlus is a smaller company than Koei-Tecmo, and they never hesitated to release it nor was it edited in any way. Next year Xseed will release Senran Kagura: Estival Versus on the PS4 and Vita. They're also smaller than Koei-Tecmo. Earlier this year Marvelous released Onechanbara Z2 for the PS4





Because western Nintendo is very family oriented. Look at their commercials. They generally feature either teens or children playing games with their families. That's their identity. They aren't going to release a T rated game, which might as well just be a game for everyone, with a boob slider.

I don't think you are getting my point here. I'm not saying EVERYONE will stop bringing their games out because of the current climate., Xseed and the like obviously don't give a fuck and that's fine. I am saying however, there is a good chance the curreny climate is why Temco is scared of releasing DOAX3...and that people saying that it isn't aren't being realistic here.

its not for the SJW or whatever but there is a major climate change going on that will make FUTURE releases a lot harder to sell than in the past. Going bu-but Dragon's Crown doesn't exactly change what I am saying here. Not even saying it is a bad thing..but companies are more aware than they were before.

 

[Palculator]

Great game, by the way. Lots of fun. Also, lewd.

 

[Deleted member 126221]

its not for the SJW or whatever but there is a major climate change going on that will make FUTURE releases a lot harder to sell than in the past. Going bu-but Dragon's Crown doesn't exactly change what I am saying here. Not even saying it is a bad thing..but companies are more aware than they were before.

So it's not about authoritarian SJWs censoring games or anything, but people not being interested in buying these kinds of games? Then it seems like a business decision more than a "fear of SJW backlash".

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

When will we get Dynasty Social Justice Warriors?

Since KT is apparently under the thumb of the League of Anti-Breasts, Q2 2017 seems possible

 

[Alex_Mexico]

lmao
I think they're going to be OK.

What about her? What am I missing? Who's this character and why is she relevant?

 

[Palculator]

What about her? What am I missing? Who's this character and why is she relevant?

She's just a little anime girl about as relevant to the topic as most people in reaction images are: Not at all. At most she's relevant due to being an anime character and thus probably known to Play-Asia's customers.

 

[RM8]

What about her? What am I missing? Who's this character and why is she relevant?

It's an anime girl.

 

[Nanashrew]

What about her? What am I missing? Who's this character and why is she relevant?

It's the smug anime girl defense mechanism. Frankly, I question if their mommy knows they're using the internet without permission.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

What boycott? This employee is an evil genius and at least a 4th of their followers are morons.

 

[Mik317]

So it's not about authoritarian SJWs censoring games or anything, but people not being interested in buying these kinds of games? Then it seems like a business decision more than a "fear of SJW backlash".

holy shit, that's not what I said at all. IMO SJW doesn't exist in the way people think they do. IMO a true SJW is just someone who whines about things on the internet and never does anything to change it beyond that. Its the guy who gets mad that you aren't saving the penguins and is really obnoxious about it. Its not what people currently use it as i.e "person who doesn't like what I like". The word has been warped and tainted.

But this decision is more than just a simple business decision. the fact that we are even having this conversation right now, shows that the industry is changing and a lot of it has to do with all of the recent things that popped off. Companies will now have to make decisions and see if that could effect them. The audience for this game was always niche and whether or not it is just nutjobs jumping on to "protect our gaemz" or not there is a demand..even if small for these type of titles/...and yet it isn't being released. The small audience did not stop Temco before...so why is it now? Its something more than people won't buy this.

and yet in this very thread people are acting like there is no way all of the recent controversies could perhaps have tipped the scales. People are now acting like those controversies have nothing to do with the recent edits and that baffles me to no end.

That is all I am pointing out here.

 

[charlequin]

First off, I believe Xenoblade Chronicle X's censorship of the character creation or Fatal Frame's extra costume censorship is part of the growing trend. I don't think there are too many specific cases surrounding localization yet, but I think it'll grow with time. I think this is the tip of the iceberg in terms of companies becoming shy about their more sexual properties and bringing them to the west.

The actual trend we're seeing -- and both your examples fit pretty clearly here -- is that games which are inherently sexual at a deep-seated level (like all these loli dungeon crawlers, or specificallyh fanservice-oriented games) typically come over fine when they don't cross specific lines, while pre-existing general-audience franchises that get perverted fanservice garbage slapped on top get edited since that content is just there to pander to a non-central audience anyway. Taking swimsuits out of DOAX would eliminate the actual point of the game, while taking gross and creepy sexualization elements from a general-audience RPG like XCX just means you aren't including anything that's going to (rightfully) piss off a bunch of people in the game's actual target market, and which is very clearly not part of the franchise's previous style or content. It's kind of impressive rhetorical sleight-of-hand to claim that series with no innate sexual content which were crassly sexed-up for their latest entries are amont anyone's "more sexual properties."

 

[Morrigan Stark]

These people are not imaginary:

http://www.deathmetal.org/news/sjw-w...etal-heats-up/

Oh boy hahaha. I'm late to the conversation (lots of pages) but for those not in the know, deathmetal.org is ran by a right-wing extremist who is completely detached from reality. He's a joke in the metal world (outside of a few morons who follow him like he's the pope) and he's about as reliable as Breitbart.

So am I missing something, or did Play-Asia just sucker a bunch of people into importing a bad game by pretending it's controversial?

Yes, that's a perfect summary. You missed literally nothing.

 

[freeofgreed]

And what are the reasons they are suddenly not releasing a the third game from a series they previously released here no problem? What changed in that short time?

also DOA, while not super big, is a lot bigger than all of the games on that list that keeps popping up. This is the first I've even heard of Ar no Surge and I like to think I am pretty in the know when it comes to games.

So people having opinions is stopping KOEI from localizing the games? LOL again this is 100% on Koei. They can release the game if they want to, no one is stopping them. What can people on twitter do to them that they haven't done already with their past games?

 

[Mik317]

So people having opinions is stopping KOEI from localizing the games? LOL again this is 100% on Koei. They can release the game if they want to, no one is stopping them. What can people on twitter do to them that they haven't done already with their past games?

I'm not saying it isn't Koei's fault. I'm saying that it is more than likely the reason, they decided against it (for now because thanks to this shitshow, the demand will probably be there..sadly for the wrong reasons).

I just don't get why people are acting like there is no chance that it played a big part in their decision.

also I think people on twitter have more sway to these companies than you think...even if they don't. SNK probably will cut off comments on any upcoming KOF videos. Its a tactic companies do all the time. Even if the bad press ironically raised sells in the past (and currently), companies aren't too please to have "this game is for fucking losers" tied to their product when searched. That is simple business.

 

[Daouzin]

Well I won't be buying from them again lol
Who actually using "SJW" in a non ironic way?

I'm the same way. I don't buy from people that use SJW as a non ironic term. Complaining about SJWs is like complaining about good people.

...Sorry, I guess?

I didn't buy Hunie Pop for the same reason. People that use SJW negatively don't deserve my business.

 

[TheAggroCraig]

Personally I find all of this hilarious, but regardless I never had or will have any desire to buy this game.

 

[Valdfellgar]

The actual trend we're seeing -- and both your examples fit pretty clearly here -- is that games which are inherently sexual at a deep-seated level (like all these loli dungeon crawlers, or specificallyh fanservice-oriented games) typically come over fine when they don't cross specific lines, while pre-existing general-audience franchises that get perverted fanservice garbage slapped on top get edited since that content is just there to pander to a non-central audience anyway. Taking swimsuits out of DOAX would eliminate the actual point of the game, while taking gross and creepy sexualization elements from a general-audience RPG like XCX just means you aren't including anything that's going to (rightfully) piss off a bunch of people in the game's actual target market, and which is very clearly not part of the franchise's previous style or content. It's kind of impressive rhetorical sleight-of-hand to claim that series with no innate sexual content which were crassly sexed-up for their latest entries are amont anyone's "more sexual properties."

I really don't agree that a breast size slander is entirely pandering sexual content: I do however agree that the character in question was not the right kind of sexualization to include in the type of game Xeno is (though it's not like the first game didn't have the option of showing some skin, so it's not like the series was devoid of sexualization to begin with, it's not quite the chaste and pure game it's made out to be.)

And I wasn't counting them as sexual priorities, I was mainly using them as examples of censorship based upon backlash and criticism. I've already said that I think DOA marks a new turning point where we'll see more publishers back away from even bothering to localize their more risqué content.

 

[Deleted member 126221]

I'm not saying it isn't Koei's fault. I'm saying that it is more than likely the reason, they decided against it (for now because thanks to this shitshow, the demand will probably be there..sadly for the wrong reasons).

I just don't get why people are acting like there is no chance that it played a big part in their decision.

also I think people on twitter have more sway to these companies than you think...even if they don't. SNK probably will cut off comments on any upcoming KOF videos. Its a tactic companies do all the time. Even if the bad press ironically raised sells in the past (and currently), companies aren't too please to have "this game is for fucking losers" tied to their product when searched. That is simple business.

I don't think it played a big part in their decision. As you said, money is more powerful than whatever potential controversy.

If they expected the game to sell well, they would've released it. In this case, yes, projected poor sale plus the fear of a backlash probably tipped the balance. But had they any confidence in the game's potential to make money, the "current climate" wouldn't have stopped them at all.

 

[freeofgreed]

I'm not saying it isn't Koei's fault. I'm saying that it is more than likely the reason, they decided against it (for now because thanks to this shitshow, the demand will probably be there..sadly for the wrong reasons).

I just don't get why people are acting like there is no chance that it played a big part in their decision.

also I think people on twitter have more sway to these companies than you think...even if they don't. SNK probably will cut off comments on any upcoming KOF videos. Its a tactic companies do all the time. Even if the bad press ironically raised sells in the past (and currently), companies aren't too please to have "this game is for fucking losers" tied to their product when searched. That is simple business.

I mean people are skeptical. For one they released the past games in the series and all of those got backlash but that didn't stop them from continuing to release them. Also plenty of other perverted games have been released. People are saying that they are niche but so is DOAX. The problem is that so many people are blaming "SJWs" for this when it is completely Koei's decision. They chose to be pussies and not to release the game. If people want to get mad, get mad at them.

 

[SolidSnakex]

I don't think you are getting my point here. I'm not saying EVERYONE will stop bringing their games out because of the current climate., Xseed and the like obviously don't give a fuck and that's fine. I am saying however, there is a good chance the curreny climate is why Temco is scared of releasing DOAX3...and that people saying that it isn't aren't being realistic here.

its not for the SJW or whatever but there is a major climate change going on that will make FUTURE releases a lot harder to sell than in the past. Going bu-but Dragon's Crown doesn't exactly change what I am saying here. Not even saying it is a bad thing..but companies are more aware than they were before.

Let's look at Tecmo specifically then. This is what they'll be releasing next year

Great game, by the way. Lots of fun. Also, lewd.

Yeah, I didn't have any expectations for it but it surprised me in a good way. Definitely reminded me of a game that came out of the PS2 influx of character action games (where the series originated). Just dumb fun.

 

[Phu]

I think this is a good stopping point for me. I really try to post more, especially in threads like these but it seems like very few people stand in any moderate position or try to reach understanding.

There's enough other threads out there and life is too short.

 

[freeofgreed]

I think this is a good stopping point for me. I really try to post more, especially in threads like these but it seems like very few people stand in any moderate position or try to reach understanding.

There's enough other threads out there and life is too short.

What would be a moderate decision on this in your opinion?

 

[aspiegamer]

Via Kotaku. It's actually an excellent summary of the bullshit of the past few days.

While Play Asia didn’t point to any specific “#SJW nonsense,” and I could find no evidence of an organized protest against the game’s release, there’s an ongoing narrative in these circles that media critics are making companies like Koei Tecmo afraid to release games with sexual content in the West.

If you’ve made it to the end of this story hoping for an easy resolution, it doesn’t exist. So long as Koei Tecmo is silent, a garbled Facebook comment will continue serving as the latest ammunition in a never-ending ideological war.

 

[Dio]

Let's look at Tecmo specifically then. This is what they'll be releasing next year

Yeah, I didn't have any expectations for it but it surprised me in a good way. Definitely reminded me of a game that came out of the PS2 influx of character action games (where the series originated). Just dumb fun.

An alt costume and promo art for a Ys-like action RPG with Toshinori motherfucking Hiramatsu as a guest guitarist for one of the best Gust soundtracks ever?

I think you're being a little unfair when comparing it to DOAX. Sure, it's a game about lesbian vampires but still.

 

[Faustek]

I was totally on board with your post until this...

Well full disclosure. I'm one of those crazies that actually don't believe the problem is "skimpy" outfits, underboob, cleavage until you see bush, panty shots etc etc. The problem isn't what is shown the problem is how we view it.

Woman lounging around with one of her boobs out? The "perverts" come out to ogle.
Same boob, same woman but now a child is getting their food. The "perverts" aren't seen(well somewhere someone has that fetish I reckon)
I'm at the beach, I see another child like my niece run around in the Zelda bikini she wanted(probably because I played them a lot with her) I don't think about it for a sec.
Somewhere someone is disgusting and see it as sexual.

Sure the sentence might be that women themselves should decide when they are sexualized but due to many years of bullshit they themselves can't even decide that and probably never will as long as we are human.

*PS if you where one of those idiots walking around with your cellphone camera snapping pictures during the #FreeTheNipple march in Malmö a few months back, I get it. I do but please listen to the message instead of just filling up your spank bank next time but if you still refuse. Please go fuck yourself.

Full disclosure. Sure I like women as well but "normal" lady in the club barely does it for me. Think Amazon and my preferences are laid out.

When will we get Dynasty Social Justice Warriors?

Dude, do not speak of them. If the elders find out they will send in the clean out crew.
This is the only thing I like about the term "SJW". The stupid fun you can have with it. Of course there exists idiots somewhere that probably use it as a serious label but coooooooooooooooooooome on! White Knight was at least a reasonable class before you went full on Paladin to finally rise into the ranks of Saint. What will a Social Justice Warrior go for advance class? Knight?

The actual trend we're seeing -- and both your examples fit pretty clearly here -- is that games which are inherently sexual at a deep-seated level (like all these loli dungeon crawlers, or specificallyh fanservice-oriented games) typically come over fine when they don't cross specific lines, while pre-existing general-audience franchises that get perverted fanservice garbage slapped on top get edited since that content is just there to pander to a non-central audience anyway. Taking swimsuits out of DOAX would eliminate the actual point of the game, while taking gross and creepy sexualization elements from a general-audience RPG like XCX just means you aren't including anything that's going to (rightfully) piss off a bunch of people in the game's actual target market, and which is very clearly not part of the franchise's previous style or content. It's kind of impressive rhetorical sleight-of-hand to claim that series with no innate sexual content which were crassly sexed-up for their latest entries are amont anyone's "more sexual properties."

I had Ziggy and Chaos running around in Swimsuits, also Kos-mos and Shion.
I had everyone but Shulk in a swimsuit later on. If people think this is added... Then They are wrong.
In the end I don't really care. I've been trained enough to ignore loli creepy garbage so to not ignore it since they already took it out is good by me.

 

[Oersted]

I think this is a good stopping point for me. I really try to post more, especially in threads like these but it seems like very few people stand in any moderate position or try to reach understanding.

There's enough other threads out there and life is too short.

You never posted in this thread to begin with, so thanks for telling us you stop now?

 

[Yoshi]

I don't think it played a big part in their decision. As you said, money is more powerful than whatever potential controversy.

If they expected the game to sell well, they would've released it. In this case, yes, projected poor sale plus the fear of a backlash probably tipped the balance. But had they any confidence in the game's potential to make money, the "current climate" wouldn't have stopped them at all.

Since they already have an English translation, they had a guarantee for a profit if they just released it digital only on PSN without running any commercials. Then, the only cost involved would be paying someone within the company to make the PSN assets and paying for the age rating. I doubt you want to claim those costs could realistically not be recouped.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

What people really don't understand about niche titles and their viability in Japan as opposed to the West is that fans of niche content in Japan actually spend money. They buy collectors editions, tangentially related goods, and multiple copies on day one. People in the West don't shell out like that and that has more actual impact on decisions to release than backlash over content, real or imaginary. It also doesn't help if you're talking about a sequel to a game that reviewed AND performed poorly, as we are with DOAX3.

 

[RM8]

I'm not saying it isn't Koei's fault. I'm saying that it is more than likely the reason, they decided against it (for now because thanks to this shitshow, the demand will probably be there..sadly for the wrong reasons).

I just don't get why people are acting like there is no chance that it played a big part in their decision.

also I think people on twitter have more sway to these companies than you think...even if they don't. SNK probably will cut off comments on any upcoming KOF videos. Its a tactic companies do all the time. Even if the bad press ironically raised sells in the past (and currently), companies aren't too please to have "this game is for fucking losers" tied to their product when searched. That is simple business.

There has never been a time when DOAX wasn't mocked for its nature, though.

 

[SolidSnakex]

An alt costume and promo art for a Ys-like action RPG with Toshinori motherfucking Hiramatsu as a guest guitarist for one of the best Gust soundtracks ever?

I think you're being a little unfair when comparing it to DOAX. Sure, it's a game about lesbian vampires but still.

I'm just saying that Tecmo doesn't have issues releasing games with provocative artwork and character models. I'm personally super excited about NoA. Aside from it looking really good and Gust being one of the more consistent developers out there, the soundtrack is amazing as you mentioned. Not a game you'd look at and think you were going to get an awesome metal soundtrack with it.

 

[Silent Chief]

Obviously this has nothing to do with the Wall Street Journal.

I'll say that my eldest daughter is the only person I know who likes DOA.

Maybe i should order it for her. I think she has a PS4.

 

[FyreWulff]

From less than 10k to 16k Twitter followers.
Boycott is working!

that huge committment to click 'follow' SPEAKS VOLUMES

 

[Citadelofmythoughts]

that huge committment to click 'follow' SPEAKS VOLUMES

This is such cynical manipulation. Anyone who is falling for it should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[RionaaM]

I'm not saying it isn't Koei's fault. I'm saying that it is more than likely the reason, they decided against it (for now because thanks to this shitshow, the demand will probably be there..sadly for the wrong reasons).

I just don't get why people are acting like there is no chance that it played a big part in their decision.

also I think people on twitter have more sway to these companies than you think...even if they don't. SNK probably will cut off comments on any upcoming KOF videos. Its a tactic companies do all the time. Even if the bad press ironically raised sells in the past (and currently), companies aren't too please to have "this game is for fucking losers" tied to their product when searched. That is simple business.

People act that way because it makes no sense at all. You get people talking about your game, positively and/or negatively, and that makes your game relevant. That makes you relevant. Why would a company refuse to release a product to that market, when many are talking about it?

You're really overestimating how far the complaints can reach, and how they can dissuade potential buyers. I doubt Koei Tecmo will care about some random labels being applied on Twitter if the game is selling well. If anything, it all helps raise awareness of the franchise. It's not like someone who was already interested in a very sexualized volleyball game will read a Twitter post and suddenly go "Oops, it's true, this game does feature a lot of scantily clad women, preorder canceled."

 

[mugwhump]

Taking swimsuits out of DOAX would eliminate the actual point of the game, while taking gross and creepy sexualization elements from a general-audience RPG like XCX just means you aren't including anything that's going to (rightfully) piss off a bunch of people in the game's actual target market, and which is very clearly not part of the franchise's previous style or content.

Regarding XBX I feel it's important to separate Lin's swimsuit edits from the removal of the breast slider, the latter of which is the thing that pissed off most people here. I feel the former was understandable.

Regarding FF I do remember a bikini outfit in FF2, and the protag was 15 there IIRC. However, I think NOE took that out when they brought it to Europe, so FFV's censorship isn't really evidence of a "growing trend," as he claimed.

I think it sucks ass, but yes, it's more a case of Nintendo sucking ass the way they've always sucked ass, rather than a new way of sucking ass.

 

[petghost]

that huge committment to click 'follow' SPEAKS VOLUMES

im pretty sure there are a lot of firms who pay good money specifically to get people to follow them on social media.

 

[Quasar]

I mean people are skeptical. For one they released the past games in the series and all of those got backlash but that didn't stop them from continuing to release them. Also plenty of other perverted games have been released. People are saying that they are niche but so is DOAX. The problem is that so many people are blaming "SJWs" for this when it is completely Koei's decision. They chose to be pussies and not to release the game. If people want to get mad, get mad at them.

The curious thing for me is why not release it digital only or license it to someone else. As Patricks article notes theres been at least one offer. Both of those options reduce the cost of it not selling.