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[kamineko]

I thought the Chrome extension that changes every instance and variation of "skeleton" into "skeleton" would get old eventually.


Nope.

I know, right? Been a while since I've given it a good workout.

 

[Deleted member 126221]

Since they already have an English translation, they had a guarantee for a profit if they just released it digital only on PSN without running any commercials. Then, the only cost involved would be paying someone within the company to make the PSN assets and paying for the age rating. I doubt you want to claim those costs could realistically not be recouped.

You're vastly underestimating the cost and effort associated with publishing a game.

 

[Nanashrew]

So we could say those games' existence is not in any danger, right? :]

What you guys don't get is that while many of us are vocal about disliking fanservice, we don't want to exterminate the games that revolve around it. I don't care about DOAX, it doesn't affect me since I won't buy it, and I hope it's an enjoyable game for those into it.

Yep, same goes for me.

 

[Shig]

I still forecast they're keeping the international release at arm's length because it's going to turn out to be an aggressively content-light game that will lean on a rapacious amount and dollar amount of DLC to fill it out. Asian markets are simply more likely to play along and not make a stink when this becomes clear, predatory media monetization is par for the course in those markets.

When the game inexplicably has all the characters they "didn't have time for" as expensive add-ons by the middle of next year, then we'll see western release of a more content-complete version.

 

[hodgy100]

People dismissing or condemning DOA using sex to sell have always been a thing. That never stopped TN from bringing the games West. When people blame SJWs, they aren't grouping all progressive viewpoints together. They're referring specifically to the people making a big PC fuss over everything there is to complain about. And those people definitely exist.

I'm not saying these people dont exist? But I've been described as a SJW, something that believes that games like this have a right to exist, even if i don't care for them. in this case people are trying to find blame for something that hasnt happened?

 

[Palculator]

So we could say those games' existence is not in any danger, right? :]

What you guys don't get is that while many of us are vocal about disliking fanservice, we don't want to exterminate the games that revolve around it. I don't care about DOAX, it doesn't affect me since I won't buy it, and I hope it's an enjoyable game for those into it.

I'm not "you guys" and you don't need to prove that to me. I just pointed out the intention of a post I thought you misunderstood.

 

[Lothar]

but its being used to describe people who meerly state that DOAX depics women in a negative way. "SJW" is being used to silence any progressive viewpoint not just the extreme ones.

You're assuming that because gamersgate people uses it a certain way, everyone who uses it means it that way. Or that they're even aware of how GG uses it. Why?

 

[freeofgreed]

People dismissing or condemning DOA using sex to sell have always been a thing. That never stopped TN from bringing the games West. When people blame SJWs, they aren't grouping all progressive viewpoints together. They're referring specifically to the people making a big PC fuss over everything there is to complain about. And those people definitely exist.

This isn't even remotely true. When people use SJW unironically they are very explicitly referring to more left wing progressives in general. And also how do you define the difference between a valid complaint and "making a pc fuss of everything there is to complain about". Has it ever occurred to you that just because you don't have and issue with something maybe someone else does?

 

[Oersted]

So we could say those games' existence is not in any danger, right? :]

What you guys don't get is that while many of us are vocal about disliking fanservice, we don't want to exterminate the games that revolve around it. I don't care about DOAX, it doesn't affect me since I won't buy it, and I hope it's an enjoyable game for those into it.

Who is we?

 

[freeofgreed]

You're assuming that because gamersgate people uses it a certain way, everyone who uses it means it that way. Or that they're even aware of how GG uses it. Why?

Give me a specific example of what you'd consider a SJW then. Doesn't have to be related to this or gaming, can be in general.

 

[hodgy100]

You're assuming that because gamersgate people uses it a certain way, everyone who uses it means it that way. Or that they're even aware of how GG uses it. Why?

I didnt even mention GG, I've had people use it to describe any progressive that have nothing to do with GG. you are right, not everyone uses it that way.

 

[Bluth54]

I'm just trying to imagine the worst possible "SJW induced" scenario. The day of its release in the US, Anita Sarkeesian does a live stream saying super terrible things about the game (like saying it's problematic, some people hate that word), and tumblr temporarily changes its logotype for something anti DOA. Lots of evil SJWs blog negative things about the game.

How does that change anything? Is the game not profitable now? Would this effectively kill, uh, Samurai Warriors? (please don't kill Samurai Warriors, okay?).

Honestly I feel like something like that would only increase sales, the people who would buy the game are still going to buy it, the people who weren't going to buy the game still wouldn't buy the game. The only thing something like that would do would be to increase awareness of the game, which could lead to more sales.

 

[Demoskinos]

Well, the game looks fuck-all terrible. At least in DoA the fanservice comes with a solid fighting game. This is just minigame trash. I don't know why you would play it unless you were either a masochist or a simpleton because there are better ways to oggle women. It's not like it's going to be a good volleyball sim. Or a good anything. It's just a DLC machine.

The volleyball was actually quite competent in the previous titles. DOAX 2 is actually one of my most played games for the Xbox 360.

 

[Akibared]

This is still going on? I use video games to deal with stress I hate all this bullshit.

 

[Palculator]

Honestly I feel like something like that would only increase sales, the people who would buy the game are still going to buy it, the people who weren't going to buy the game still wouldn't buy the game. The only thing something like that would do would be to increase awareness of the game, which could lead to more sales.

We know of one person, at least. Shoutouts to Redhood.

 

[Oersted]

This is still going on? I use video games to deal with stress I hate all this bullshit.

Yes, people still fall for that bullshit by the Play Asia Twitter guy.

 

[TurnipFritters]

This is still going on? I use video games to deal with stress I hate all this bullshit.

Thanks for popping into the thread to inform everyone that you don't care about the subject matter at all.

 

[JackDT]

This is a year that's had Ar No Surge+, Akiba's Trip, Onechanbara Z2, Senran Kagura: Deep Crimson, Senran Kagura: Estival Versus, Dungeon Travelers 2, Criminal Girls: Invite Only, Operation Abyss, Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;Birth1,2 and 3, Hyperdevotion Noire, and Omega Quintet with nary an issue and somehow this is one that's going to call down the fires of hell?

If anything, Koei Tecmo has the opposite problem. DOA Xtreme 3 would likely come and go with little fanfare. Either way, if the specter of articles that don't like the game is really preventing them from releasing in the US, then again, they have no faith in the product or its sales potential.

If a worry about criticism is Koei Tecmo's problem, I have a newsflash for them. We're a global community now, folks. If someone is going to criticize Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 for its handling of women, they really don't need a North American release to make an argument. Most of the content in the game will be up on YouTube in short order and they could import it regardless. Criticism will happen because people are allowed to say they don't like a thing. Using that as a reason to not release a game merely shows that you have no faith in that product. It's an out for the company, to deflect backlash they'd get from their fans towards another target.

http://www.usgamer.net/articles/doax3-still-not-releasing-in-us-koei-tecmo-makes-excuses

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

This is still going on? I use video games to deal with stress I hate all this bullshit.

If reading this thread incites unbearable stress and hate, maybe opening and typing a reply to it is not such a good idea?

Edit:
Just realized that might come off as dismissive. Honest advice, here. There are some certain topics of discussion that just depresses me during some certain days. I usually just walk away, even if I thought the subject matter is important.

 

[Akibared]

Thanks for popping into the thread to inform everyone that you don't care about the subject matter at all.

I posted a bunch in here this morning I figured it would die down.

 

[freeofgreed]

This is still going on? I use video games to deal with stress I hate all this bullshit.

Then play your video games???? If you hate all this bullshit why would you come on a forum that discusses them, or even click this thread?

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Before I read Patrick's article, I didn't realize the Koei Tecmo twitter backtracked and said they didn't confirm the community manager's reasoning as accurate.

Wasn't that the proof people had that the community manager was telling the truth?

 

[LowParry]

Eh, I see this going digital in the West at some point. People who are going to buy are going to import anyway.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

People dismissing or condemning DOA using sex to sell have always been a thing. That never stopped TN from bringing the games West. When people blame SJWs, they aren't grouping all progressive viewpoints together. They're referring specifically to the people making a big PC fuss over everything there is to complain about. And those people definitely exist.

What's the current, hyperbolic PC fuss over DoAX3?

 

[sniffy]

This is the future reactionary neo-conservatives who feel harassment and terrorism are entirely acceptable in the name of video games. And of course we have the usual "neutral / both sides" people who just stand idly by while this harassment is going on and who can afford to ignore it because they aren't affected by it.

It's hard to believe you are talking about a video game. I mean how dramatic can you be?

 

[Kaiterra]

I agree with you 100% on this. It's a real shame that sex negativity is so prevalent to the point where objectification in non-sexual scenarios is mistaken for sex positivity. I'm all for more sexual content in our media - more that depicts sex in a healthy way and not one-sided, forced or devoid of context. Sadly, it still isn't normalised yet and that causes a ton of problems like the ones you mentioned.

As such, I don't personally have a problem with DOAX because it seems to be honest about what it is, and I find this much less troubling than sexualisation creeping into otherwise straight-faced games. That said, it's still part of a broad issue regarding sexualisation and our attitudes towards it; and I think K-T might have become aware of this since they realise that DOAX3 could be criticized for its content (despite there being no campaigns against it).

Agree with every word of this.

 

[Stuart444]

http://www.usgamer.net/articles/doax3-still-not-releasing-in-us-koei-tecmo-makes-excuses

Huh, aren't those games 'literally' all the games someone posted a few pages back (that had pictures)?

Just found that funny/interesting.

 

[cwistofu]

What's the current, hyperbolic PC fuss over DoAX3?

That's not the point. TN's approach to DOAX3's western release is a RESULT of the hyperbolic fuss. They're worried about the fuss and have decided to avoid it entirely.

I thought that was obvious here.

 

[Nanashrew]

Before I read Patrick's article, I didn't realize the Koei Tecmo twitter backtracked and said they didn't confirm the community manager's reasoning as accurate.

Wasn't that the proof people had that the community manager was telling the truth?

Coolio and Klossen.

Coolio was doing the same thing they were doing in the Kotaku blacklist thread.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Huh, aren't those games 'literally' all the games someone posted a few pages back (that had pictures)?

Just found that funny/interesting.

If you're talking about me, I pulled my examples from USGamer's article.

 

[Akibared]

If reading this thread incites unbearable stress and hate, maybe opening and typing a reply to it is not such a good idea?

Edit:
Just realized that might come off as dismissive. Honest advice, here. There are some certain topics of discussion that just depresses me during some certain days. I usually just walk away, even if I thought the subject matter is important.

Thanks I'll take your advice.

 

[Stuart444]

If you're talking about me, I pulled my examples from USGamer's article.

Huh, not sure if I meant you or not. I just remember several pictures, one from each of those series' being posted.

Fair enough though. This thread has moved so fast and I didn't even know USGamer had an article on this til it was posted there.

 

[Astarte]

Controversy can bring about great game sales. Maybe they'll be like 'the ultimate forbidden fruit, now available in America!' it'll sell like gangbusters like dragon's crown.
Controversy didn't stop Killer is Dead from selling, it was the fact that it was a Grasshopper game with no appeal aside from style and Suda's 'involvement'.

 

[Oersted]

That's not the point. TN's approach to DOAX3's western release is a RESULT of the hyperbolic fuss. They're worried about the fuss and have decided to avoid it entirely.

I thought that was obvious here.

What is a hyperbolic fuss?
What would be a hyperbolic fuss regarding DOAX3?
And why are you stating this as a fact?

 

[dity]

This would explain how PlayAsia has gained so many followers so fast. This is a promoted tweet, too.

 

[SDBurton]

An alt costume and promo art for a Ys-like action RPG with Toshinori motherfucking Hiramatsu as a guest guitarist for one of the best Gust soundtracks ever?

I think you're being a little unfair when comparing it to DOAX. Sure, it's a game about lesbian vampires but still.

Wait, what? :O

 

[freeofgreed]

What is a hyperbolic fuss?
What would be a hyperbolic fuzz regarding DOAX3?
And why are you stating this as a fact?

People keep asking these questions for the last few pages yet nobody seems to have any answers for them. There's hyperbole but it's not coming from "SJWs".

 

[Oersted]

This would explain how PlayAsia has gained so many followers so fast. This is a promoted tweet, too.

And Play-Asia links Breitbart. It smells like shilling

 

[Palculator]

Wait, what? :O

Yup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nights_of_Azure

Check out the zettai ryouiki.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

And Play-Asia links Breitbart. It smells like shilling

If you're familiar with him, you'd know it is not shilling. I'd bet he 100% believes in what he wrote without external motivation.

 

[ReginaldXIV]

I'm the same way. I don't buy from people that use SJW as a non ironic term. Complaining about SJWs is like complaining about good people.

...Sorry, I guess?

I didn't buy Hunie Pop for the same reason. People that use SJW negatively don't deserve my business.

I thought SJW was originally an ironic term used for those types of people who preach social justice on the internet but are only saying so, so they can feel validated. Like a person who Tweets about helping homeless people while stepping over homeless people on the street.

Then GG started using it unironically as a catch-all term for political correctness, and the other side tries to take the word back as if it was ever not a BS term.

Basically SJW is stupid and people shouldn't use it any context.

 

[Oersted]

If you're familiar with him, you'd know it is not shilling. I'd bet he 100% believes in what he wrote without external motivation.

How come?

 

[freeofgreed]

If you're familiar with him, you'd know it is not shilling. I'd bet he 100% believes in what he wrote without external motivation.

He not talking about Milo he's talking about whoever is behind the PA twitter. Unless you know who that is.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

If you're familiar with him, you'd know it is not shilling. I'd bet he 100% believes in what he wrote without external motivation.

I also bet he had no clue DOAX3 existed a couple days ago either. Which is par for the course for basically anything the guy is writing when it comes to gaming.

 

[SlipperyFishes]

He not talking about Milo he's talking about whoever is behind the PA twitter. Unless you know who that is.

Pretty sure it's the same guy behind Direct2Drive. And I wonder if Play Asia management even have a clue this is going on. They're probably just seeing the sales come in.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

If you're familiar with him, you'd know it is not shilling. I'd bet he 100% believes in what he wrote without external motivation.

They are both quite literally shills

 

[MisterSamMan]

I thought the Chrome extension that changes every instance and variation of "skeleton" into "skeleton" would get old eventually.


Nope.

This extension has been downloaded and it is making my day!! Thanks!.

 

[Owningrampage]

so why are other guys calling other guys perverts for buying this stuff

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

Huh, aren't those games 'literally' all the games someone posted a few pages back (that had pictures)?

Just found that funny/interesting.

The author of the USGamer article posted the list here. Same guy.

 

[Ragnite]

I thought SJW was originally an ironic term used for those types of people who preach social justice on the internet but are only saying so, so they can feel validated. Like a person who Tweets about helping homeless people while stepping over homeless people on the street.

Then GG started using it unironically as a catch-all term for political correctness, and the other side tries to take the word back as if it was ever not a BS term.

Basically SJW is stupid and people shouldn't use it any context.

'SJW' started out being used by people who care about social justice to describe themselves a few years ago, mostly on Tumblr. It eventually started being used as more of an insult as you said, and people stopped calling themselves that.