Captain America: Civil War Trailer #1 Debut

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xxracerxx said:
So what does it being named Captain America matter?

I mean his storyline is going to be the focus.
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it's a double edged sword in my opinion. and this side of it, having it be a predominant captain america story isn't doing it justice because it is supposed to be a massive crossover story. not that it being named captain america makes me not want to see it; i'm very much interested and excited to see this movie, but just certain things I feel like could've been done differently and better.
xxracerxx said:
Again, so what? It's going to be Cap's story front and center.
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I don't like that they're doing that. the civil war is supposed to be a massive crossover story, not one focused solely on cap.
 
Man, April is gonna be a massive month.

Game of Thrones
Daredevil S2 (Hopefully, since S1 came out in april)
JoJo Part 4 anime
Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney anime
Civil War

Australia get Civil War on April 29. A week before you americans get it.
 
The Artisan said:
it's a double edged sword in my opinion. and this side of it, having it be a predominant captain america story isn't doing it justice because it is supposed to be a massive crossover story. not that it being named captain america makes me not want to see it; i'm very much interested and excited to see this movie, but just certain things I feel like could've been done differently and better.I don't like that they're doing that. the civil war is supposed to be a massive crossover story, not one focused solely on cap.
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Maybe wait for the film to come out before saying they could do stuff better.
 
Fuzzy said:
Now change Cap's shield to the GAF logo and put Bish's head on Cap's body.
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Jest Chillin said:
Considering pretty much everyone in the MCU has been nerfed compared to their comic counterparts, I wouldn't expect BP to be anywhere near this list when the film comes out.

I'd expect:
Physical attributes on the same level as Cap
Tactically similar to Cap (but probably slightly lower because Cap is Cap)
Genius level intellect close to but probably lower than Tony (again because Tony is Tony)
Tech on par but not passing Tony's with higher durability due to Vibranium
Martial skill close to comic equivalent


Basically I doubt Marvel will introduce him as being blatantly superior to Cap or Tony because they're the MCU's darlings at the moment. This will, of course, carry over to how he presents himself in terms of motivations. He'll seem morally grey so audiences don't hate him but won't immediately love him like Cap or Tony.
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nothing on that list puts him above Cap or Tony

Tony is still the worlds best engineer

Cap is still stronger and more durable T'Challa is just as agile , smarter and faster.

Wakandan tech is the best there is it's not just durability so no Stark Tech isnt better that doesn't mean T'Challa is smarter it means a nation with a good science program is decades ahead of the rest including Tony and stark enterprises. Wakanda has many engineers and researchers. People want to shit on others for saying an African country has advanced tech and low and behold they really mean well that ONE guy in that country has it, NO if T'Challa wasn't the Panther then someone else would be.

Martial arts skill should be just like the comics who doesn't want to see that?

They've nailed Cap in TWS and AoU as far as abilities go I don't see why they'd miff on T'challa. I don't know what you've read that made you think he was a better engineer than Tony or a better Super Soldier than Cap. Thats not his power, his power is being the best STUDENT of the game, herbs that gift him with enhanced physical abilities and vibranium which makes his offense and defense game amazing .

Nothing i said before makes cap or iron man suddenly shit if T'Challa is true to his comicbook self. Both of those characters could give the BP an L but not more than once...
 
DonasaurusRex said:
nothing on that list puts him above Cap or Tony

Tony is still the worlds best engineer

Cap is still stronger and more durable T'Challa is just as agile , smarter and faster.

Wakandan tech is the best there is it's not just durability so no Stark Tech isnt better that doesn't mean T'Challa is smarter it means a nation with a good science program is decades ahead of the rest including Tony and stark enterprises. Wakanda has many engineers and researchers. People want to shit on others for saying an African country has advanced tech and low and behold they really mean well that ONE guy in that country has it, NO if T'Challa wasn't the Panther then someone else would be.

Martial arts skill should be just like the comics who doesn't want to see that?

They've nailed Cap in TWS and AoU as far as abilities go I don't see why they'd miff on T'challa. I don't know what you've read that made you think he was a better engineer than Tony or a better Super Soldier than Cap. Thats not his power, his power is being the best STUDENT of the game, herbs that gift him with enhanced physical abilities and vibranium which makes his offense and defense game amazing .

Nothing i said before makes cap or iron man suddenly shit if T'Challa is true to his comicbook self. Both of those characters could give the BP an L but not more than once...
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MCU Tony and Cap are nowhere near their Comic book power levels. Some of that has to do with the fact that the MCU versions haven't been through enough stuff but a good deal of it has to do with the logistics. This is similar to the other things being discussed in this thread, such as the inconsistency of the properties/effects of Cap's Shield and Tony's armor.

Really, so far this is true of every MCU character that has a comic equivalent. That's why I think BP won't be equal to his comic book version because if BP is equivalent to his comic version while everyone else isn't, that would make him better than everyone else right out of the gate. That's not going to happen.

Edit: To clarify.. the reason why I brought this up is that people shouldn't go into Civil War expecting BP to live up to his comic book skillset and feats because it just isn't likely that he'll be a 1:1 version, since nobody else really is.
 
The Artisan said:
what? if anything cap is far beyond what he's capable of in the 616 comics. he's supposed to be a human in peak physical condition but he is very clearly superhuman in the mcu. same for iron man, as he should be.
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MCU Iron Man is far, far below his comics counterpart.

Comics Iron Man jobs a lot though. MCU Iron Man is about on par with that dude.
 
I'm probably late but it seems that Crossbones did make the cut for the trailer

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From leak set pictures earlier this year

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civil war? more like condominium meeting


anyway, hyped, despite cap and Bucky punching flies while Tony tries some breakdance. Panther looks great and the Russos are a guarantee
 
The Artisan said:
what? if anything cap is far beyond what he's capable of in the 616 comics. he's supposed to be a human in peak physical condition but he is very clearly superhuman in the mcu. same for iron man, as he should be.
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The phrase of "peak human potential" is used pretty loosely. Feats include bench pressing a bar with 1,200 lbs on each side, running at speeds of 30mph (and higher in some instances), does a mile in a little over a minute, can outright dodge gunfire because he can see the bullets coming and react in time, and can exert himself at his fullest for over an hour without showing signs of fatigue.

MCU Cap is nowhere near those feats. The closest is probably strength and aging but I'm iffy on strength and aging won't come into play because the actor isn't capable of not showing signs of aging.
 
Jack Remington said:
MCU Iron Man is far, far below his comics counterpart.

Comics Iron Man jobs a lot though. MCU Iron Man is about on par with that dude.
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so what does 616 iron man do that mcu iron man can't?
diaspora said:
Incorrect.
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source?
Jest Chillin said:
The phrase of "peak human potential" is used pretty loosely. Feats include bench pressing a bar with 1,200 lbs on each side, running at speeds of 30mph (and higher in some instances), does a mile in a little over a minute, can outright dodge gunfire because he can see the bullets coming and react in time, and can exert himself at his fullest for over an hour without showing signs of fatigue.

MCU Cap is nowhere near those feats. The closest is probably strength and aging but I'm iffy on strength and aging won't come into play because the actor isn't capable of not showing signs of aging.
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i've generally taken it to mean that it's the most fit that a human can possibly be. bruce wayne is also a human in peak physical condition, and batman is the de facto example everyone uses as a superhero without any actual superpowers. another would be the kingpin, and as we saw in daredevil, while he possesses considerable brute strength, it's not on the level of cap's. he's landed on basically just his arm from 100 feet in the air, lifted a motorcycle over his head, and throws his shield while sitting with enough momentum to give it a considerable distance.
 
The Artisan said:
so what does 616 iron man do that mcu iron man can't?
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He's far stronger for starters. There's a panel of him lifting an entire nuclear reactor over his head, which weighs thousands of tons. His energy shields have tanked a nuclear blast. He's faster. He has a shit-ton of weapons that the MCU version doesn't seem to have. But again, he jobs. There's a fairly massive discrepancy between his best and worst showings.

The MCU characters are all far more grounded, which I actually prefer. Same with the recent movie Superman.
 
Comic T'Challa has energy fields, gauntlets that can take on Namor, teleportation, the strength to tear people apart without the aforementioned gauntlets...

Stuff like that.
 
The Artisan said:
so what does 616 iron man do that mcu iron man can't?

source?i've generally taken it to mean that it's the most fit that a human can possibly be. bruce wayne is also a human in peak physical condition, and batman is the de facto example everyone uses as a superhero without any actual superpowers. another would be the kingpin, and as we saw in daredevil, while he possesses considerable brute strength, it's not on the level of cap's. he's landed on basically just his arm from 100 feet in the air, lifted a motorcycle over his head, and throws his shield while sitting with enough momentum to give it a considerable distance.
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No, Captain America and Batman aren't supposed to be at the same level.
 
The Artisan said:
i've generally taken it to mean that it's the most fit that a human can possibly be. bruce wayne is also a human in peak physical condition, and batman is the de facto example everyone uses as a superhero without any actual superpowers. another would be the kingpin, and as we saw in daredevil, while he possesses considerable brute strength, it's not on the level of cap's. he's landed on basically just his arm from 100 feet in the air, lifted a motorcycle over his head, and throws his shield while sitting with enough momentum to give it a considerable distance.
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Cap is much stronger than Batman.
 
The Artisan said:
i've generally taken it to mean that it's the most fit that a human can possibly be. bruce wayne is also a human in peak physical condition, and batman is the de facto example everyone uses as a superhero without any actual superpowers. another would be the kingpin, and as we saw in daredevil, while he possesses considerable brute strength, it's not on the level of cap's. he's landed on basically just his arm from 100 feet in the air, lifted a motorcycle over his head, and throws his shield while sitting with enough momentum to give it a considerable distance.
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You're citing the phrasing of "peak human condition" while ignoring the context of what Cap has actually done in the comics. In comparison to what others in the comics can do, Cap may be some version of a peak comic book human condition but he far surpasses what peak human condition would be in reality and he's definitely far greater than anything Cap has done in the movies.

This is fine though. The movies don't need to be 1:1 with the comic versions. They should do what's best for the plot.
 
I thought Steve was peak of human potential, meaning the absolute max of what the human genome could do. Bruce Wayne is at his physical peak, meaning he perosnally isnt capable of being any stronger, faster etc.
 
Fathead said:
I thought Steve was peak of human potential, meaning the absolute max of what the human genome could do. Bruce Wayne is at his physical peak, meaning he perosnally isnt capable of being any stronger, faster etc.
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Yep. Bruce Wayne is peak psychical condition so Olympic levels of strength speed etc. Cap is the peak of human potential so crazy feats of strengths and speed beyond any regular human but not quite at super human levels. Plus other stuff like not being able to fatigue.
 
Pretty sure MCU Cap is straight up superhuman, end of story. Running at 26mph all day long, fighting off Bucky with three bullets in him and more than a few stab wounds, tanking grenade blasts, taking multiple sustained hits from those tasers that knock out regular humans instantly, pulling this bullshit here on purpose:
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MCU Cap is a legit monster.
 
matrix-cat said:
Pretty sure MCU Cap is straight up superhuman, end of story. Running at 26mph all day long, fighting off Bucky with three bullets in him and more than a few stab wounds, tanking grenade blasts, taking multiple sustained hits from those tasers that knock out regular humans instantly, pulling this bullshit here on purpose:
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MCU Cap is a legit monster.
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You're getting hung up on terminology. Nobody is saying MCU Cap isn't a beast, just that he isn't as crazy as his comic book counterpart. "Superhuman" and"peak human potential" are just labels and in both the movies and the comic books, character abilities suit the plot. The comic books pull way crazier feats though due to lots of reasons, like bigger casts with powers not used in the movies, plot necessity, and general power creeping.
 
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