Play-Asia says SJWs to blame for DOAX3 not coming west
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=186810233&postcount=2723
The tweet. https://twitter.com/koeitecmoeurope/status/669507094584950784
But there's still a lot of shilling and redirecting to Play-Asia though. Play-Asia is getting a lot of love right now from some very awful people.
Honestly, what else would you publically say if that actually was the reason?
Neuromancer
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How do you cancel an order on Play Asia? I haven't been able to figure it out.
just send support an email with the body text "sjw"
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
There should be a button to cancel on the order page linked to in your account details.
Whatever'sComfortable
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Neuromancer
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Good catch, thanks.
You'd probably stand by that reason than decline or deny that reason. The real reason it's not coming over is because the Xtreme series has done terribly in the west and they were not planning to release it here to begin with. However, they were interested in fan demand and if there was enough it probably would have come over, and that's why they kept giving messages of hope to fans that it might have a chance. But there wasn't enough.
Criticism can't be avoided, and before all that's happening now, the Xtreme series still reviewed low and sold poorly being a staple bargain bin title you'd find in every store.
But even after all that's said and done, no one seems to be lobbing any criticisms at the game because they're simply not interested in it.
Sapphire Dreams
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This account gained a lot of followers in the last 24 hours.
Damn, this must have been one hell of a stunt.
Damn, this must have been one hell of a stunt.
I think that's assuming a level of PR sophistication that they plainly do not have.
Again, I hate to say this, but is there anything reputable that supports this?
It was part of the reveal article in Famitsu that it was being developed exclusively for the JP/Asia market. Here's a Siliconera link from when that happened:
http://www.siliconera.com/2015/08/1...in-development-for-playstation-4-and-ps-vita/
Thank you. This tells us that the decision was made more than three months ago but again does not refute their comment on why the decision was made.
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Deleted member 126221
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What comment?
Facebook post linked on the second page of this thread.
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Deleted member 126221
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Wasn't that comment deleted though?
They're talking about the Facebook comment. But I think there's enough proof to say otherwise since they have released some lewd games this year already and have plans for more. Just not this one game because they already planned not to release it in the west which likely has to do with generally poor sales from this side series.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Heh, considering this is Tecmo I will certainly not be surprised that in some future they just decide to release a US version after all, even if it's a PSN/digital only game. They can't resist that DLC money, no way, and like hell I'd believe them when they said that this game won't have any DLCs.
TheBryanJZX90
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No, no DLC just a gacha-based swimsuit economy.
And thanks to Play Asia's pandering to a hate movement, GG and its ilk will interpret it as a win and feel vindicated in their crusade to harass women even further, when in reality no 'SJW' actually cares about DOAX3.
Mr Fahrenheit
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Damn I take it back, fuck PlayAsia. Got nothing to do with this tbh but they seriously out here charging $50 more than the highest ebay scalpers for the Gravity Daze Collector's edition.
I have a non-gaming example of what I consider toxic feminism.
In 2014, the European Space Agency successfully landed a spacecraft on a comet, the final destination of a ten year probe journey around the solar system. It was one of the most important things we have achieved in space so far, and in anticipation of the celebration that would follow, ESA scientist Matt Taylor wore a colourful shirt featuring female comic characters - made for him by a female friend.
Pictures of the team celebration were beamed around the world, and a number of commentators took offence to his shirt. What followed was a ludicrous shitstorm, which saw the man torn to shreds by an internet army of outraged feminists - over a harmless shirt made by a lady - when he should have been enjoying the afterglow of the biggest achievement of his career.
He was bullied into a tearful apology before the cameras of the world.
A year later, Rose Eveleth, a key player in the Twitter shame campaign against Matt Taylor, took part in a @googleideas panel addressing online abuse and harrassment -_- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1116476
And as they sit there, waiting eons for their expensive shipment to arrive, they'll wonder "did I really achieve anything?" And they'll conclude "yes I did", despite the fact that the game is still not getting a western localisation. Their wallets weep "why, what did I do?"
The shirt was inappropriate. People that pointed that out are not toxic. Anyone that harrassed him though, yeah, toxic. But it wasn't harmless especially when there is a continuing discussion on how to make STEM fields non-hostile to women. BTW, Rose Eveleth was told to kill herself for disapproving of the shirt.
TwEE-N-Toast
Banned
Its a beautiful thing really. Two angry groups so easily manipulated.
When the alien invasion happens humanity won't stand a chance.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
As someone who had to play the game, I'm certainly aware of its imagry, but thinking of GTA5, which I also had to play, why is it OK to give that a platform then? It's also full of disgusting content, it's just not of sexual nature (OK, some is, but the sexual stuff is less aggrevating than in DT2). It's full of explicit, almost unmotviated violence that most of the time serves no other pupose than to pander to people who adore violence, you even have to torture someone. In this game you play the worst scum you could possibly play, organized criminals who kill, torture, bully and treat people like shit. I would even say that GTA5 lives more off its disgusting content than DT2. If you take away the sexual content from DT2, you end up with a quite good dungeon crawler (I think one that would probably be more enjoyable than the one it is now, I was constantly thinking "Oh no that's embarassing" - and this cannot be helping the game much), if you take away the gruesome violence from GTA5 you end up with GPS simulator 2014.
What absolutely necessary costs did I not account for? I can only think of the cost to make a bare minimum English eManual - if this is even required by Sony. If you decide to put an already translated game as a completely non-promoted game just onto PSN, there shouldn't be much cost involved other than age rating and the few hours it takes to communicate with Sony and making the necessary shop and manual assets. Of course, usually you invest more than that, because you want the game to be a success, and usually you also have to translate the game, but in this case, marketing and translation would not be required.
One group is manipulated. The other is going "wha?"
NinjamicWZ
Banned
Was someone injured by the shirt?
The game is already being translated for Asia, it has no localization costs 100% nessesary aside from what Sony and the ESRB make them do.
Considering one man devs can do this with unknown indie games I doubt Tecmo would have issues with it financially.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I think the shirt is as harmless as it gets. Complaining about such minor stuff is toxic because, from my perspective at least, it should not be of anyone's concern what people are wearing and attacking a scientist for his choice of clothing instead of discussing the relevant scientific results being discussed is hostile. On the other hand I cannot see how the motive at hand can be considered hostile. I seriously doubt anyone feels assaulted by it. Not liking it, finding it ugly or maybe distasteful, ok, but hostile? I would be incredibly surprised if there were any women who decided not to study sciences because there was some guy wearing a shirt they don't like at a press conference.
Behaviour like the one against this scientist works towards limiting personal freedom of people not by law, but by ostracism and artificial social pressure.
Palette Swap
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This is a great example of how criticism can be mistaken for bullying. It absolutely sucks for the guy that he had to face such a volume of criticism, and that in itself must have been nerve wracking, but the tone of the criticism isn't remotely comparable to that of those who took umbrage with it.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Twitter and social media are nice things but I think most people just haven't learned how to use it properly. These shame campaigns, I feel, are half fueled by anger having nothing to do with the subject at hand.
And then people rarely discuss facts or even want to discuss facts. And you have so much appeal to emotion instead. I'm all for listening to and trying to understand one's opinion, but people try to (or by mistake) misrepresent their opinions as fact so often it is frustrating.
I'd like to see more fact based discussions from both "sides" of these arguments.
Messofanego
Banned
It was a whole bunch of nothing and they made up all the outrage by themselves. Ironic when they accuse liberals of that.
You don't even understand feminism, let alone "toxic feminism".
By doing that, it earned them a lot of followers even if they are fake or puppets. Greatest stunt ever pulled without spending any penny.
Crash Station
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I remember there was controversy prior to GG about Giantbomb hiring a qualified white male. That might fall under the "SJW" umbrella more than toxic feminism though.
Sapphire Dreams
Member
The shirt was rather inappropriate for his work and position, but the harrassment he got was uncalled for. Just because he wore a shirt with naked women doesn't mean he is Sexist. Unprofessional maybe, but not Sexist.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Some people complained. The most toxic thing possible.
In response, parts of the GB Community rushed to harass and shout down everyone who said anything, especially if they were women. But it's really the complainers' fault.
Yeah, the toxicity is abundant, but it's pretty rarely (as in never) coming from feminism.
This. US market is apparantly ok with digital only releases, and the game will already be in English. The cost to distribute vs potential returns should make it a no brainer to release. There have been lots of games with questionable content on PSN - primarily on vita. I don't think DOAX is close to being as controversial as some of those vita games already available in the US.
Europe might get fucked over though due to cost of localisation
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
While I disagree no one should be allowed to say anything negative about being a gamer (playing games i not exactly productive...), but there is a huge difference between race/sex and being a gamer: The first just is a biological constant that you cannot change, the other one is a choice of action / hobby. Personally, I think that racial (still not happy to use this word all the time, because from my knowledge it's just biologically bullshit) and sexual identity is often overstated. For the first part, I'm not even aware of any reasons why people of different "race" should be inherently more different than two different people of the same "race" and the hormonal differences that correlate with different preferences and characteristics being more common within one sex over the other are also not really important to the individual, but if anything, for statistic analysis. Touting sexual or racial identity quickly degrades into sexism or racism from my observation.
Mobius and pet octopus
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https://twitter.com/roseveleth/status/532539812855959552
Thanks for ruining the cool comet landing for me asshole. - @roseveleth
Took 3 minutes
And it resulted in Samantha Allen leaving covering video games culture because of the insane harasssment.
You seem to be touting color-blindness.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Could you please explain the story a bit more? If it really was just a case of GB emplying someone who is white and male with no other better candidate available for the job, then complaining about it comes off to me as rather sexist and / or racist. Of course, if they chose the white male due to his sex or skin-tone or discriminated other candidates who were better fit for the job but were female and / or not white, then complaining about it is not toxic. Since the description of the case in the posting you quoted is quite brief (and maybe over simplifying?), I want to ask for clarification.
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JeremyEtcetera
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I've been reading quite a few pages of this thread. I usually avoid threads like these, even though they tend to pop up once a month, possibly because once a month someone on twitter says something others think they shouldn't have and causes a social media uproar bubble that eventually bursts. I thought I'd just give my opinion and leave to other threads.
I think Play-Asia did a good job creating awareness for this title and the cultural thoughts surrounding it, even if some could consider it the wrong way to create awareness. They also potentially made more sales for Koei-Tecmo than Koei-Tecmo themselves could ever make with their marketing team.
Did Play-Asia poke fun at and place a blame a group of individuals when there was no one to blame (yet?). Yes they did. Did they use insults, derogatory language or offensive means to do so? No they did not. Do they deserve to be dog-piled on with unfollows, unsupporters, and people not buying from their store anymore? I don't think so but people are free to do as they please. I do think however that they could ease up or erase the tweets they used to poke fun at that group of people, but then again, Play-Asia are free to do as they please as well so this is a stalemate. If anything, whoever is in charge of that twitter account is equivalent to a child poking a hornets nest/bee hive from a safe distance and making sure they don't nudge too hard.
I know some people think Koei-Tecmo won't release this in NA due to sales, but there are a ton of niche and under-performing titles they have already released in the west already(on disc as well, mind you), so that reasoning is a bit of an odd one, unless management did a complete 180 in under a month. That being said, if their reasoning for not bringing the game to NA is what that one facebook account poster said, then this turning into a huge issue and debate is a good thing.
It's interesting seeing things from all perspectives. I've been reading opinions in multiple places and some people out there are thinking that if this game does not come out in NA because of KT's reason, it will be a critical turning point in the future of censored/altered content and dropped localized releases for further titles from Japan. Who really knows. I think a good first step is for developers, publishers, sellers, and consumers to really critically think about how people treat sexual content in games and also take a good look at why the adult-only rating is a mark of death for any game and ask how can we resolve this disconnect/issue, because every sexual situation in a video game shouldn't be considered cringe-worthy yet somehow it ends up being that way even in the games that try their damndest to avoid it.
I think Play-Asia did a good job creating awareness for this title and the cultural thoughts surrounding it, even if some could consider it the wrong way to create awareness. They also potentially made more sales for Koei-Tecmo than Koei-Tecmo themselves could ever make with their marketing team.
Did Play-Asia poke fun at and place a blame a group of individuals when there was no one to blame (yet?). Yes they did. Did they use insults, derogatory language or offensive means to do so? No they did not. Do they deserve to be dog-piled on with unfollows, unsupporters, and people not buying from their store anymore? I don't think so but people are free to do as they please. I do think however that they could ease up or erase the tweets they used to poke fun at that group of people, but then again, Play-Asia are free to do as they please as well so this is a stalemate. If anything, whoever is in charge of that twitter account is equivalent to a child poking a hornets nest/bee hive from a safe distance and making sure they don't nudge too hard.
I know some people think Koei-Tecmo won't release this in NA due to sales, but there are a ton of niche and under-performing titles they have already released in the west already(on disc as well, mind you), so that reasoning is a bit of an odd one, unless management did a complete 180 in under a month. That being said, if their reasoning for not bringing the game to NA is what that one facebook account poster said, then this turning into a huge issue and debate is a good thing.
It's interesting seeing things from all perspectives. I've been reading opinions in multiple places and some people out there are thinking that if this game does not come out in NA because of KT's reason, it will be a critical turning point in the future of censored/altered content and dropped localized releases for further titles from Japan. Who really knows. I think a good first step is for developers, publishers, sellers, and consumers to really critically think about how people treat sexual content in games and also take a good look at why the adult-only rating is a mark of death for any game and ask how can we resolve this disconnect/issue, because every sexual situation in a video game shouldn't be considered cringe-worthy yet somehow it ends up being that way even in the games that try their damndest to avoid it.
Crash Station
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I actually hadn't followed it as it was happening and remembered it being a more "balanced" verbal war. Looking into it now, I see it was mostly one dissenting voice that was attacked.
I stand corrected. Even if I don't agree with Allen's initial tweet, she sure as hell doesn't deserve what she got afterwards.
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