Zeyphersan
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Not random at all. People are debating which will make more: CW or BvS. How the last Superman movie and the last Cap movie did are very relevant
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Not random at all. People are debating which will make more: CW or BvS. How the last Superman movie and the last Cap movie did are very relevant
What did he mean by this?
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The box office has changed dramatically from even a year ago. No movie had ever made $1 billion internationally before since freaks like Avatar and Titanic, but in 2015 there was 2 movies that did it! Who knows what could happen in 2016
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Lord Virgin
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Just curious, does that list take 3D into account? Some of them were 3D only iirc (where I live anyway) while others weren't.
Manmademan
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winter soldier was a sequel to a captain america film few people liked- it's still among marvel's lowest grossing films. It did over 700 million after "Avengers" hit, beating out the latest superman film.
Guardians of the galaxy was a franchise no one had ever heard of, and even hardcore comic fans who did know it considered it a joke franchise. THAT film threw up 700+ million with no crossover characters from the previous films.
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Civil War is pretty much guaranteed to exceed both of these. it has everything going for it- positive reviews and word of mouth are all it needs to match or exceed AoU.
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The discussion seems to be about money, and how well each movie will do compared to the others. There's no question that the Marvel movies pull in a lot more than DC's outings...the question is if Superman + Batman will be a big enough draw to outdo what is essentially an Avengers film.
'bitchslap' was just a pointless choice of wording, I think...
Ironman 3 being up there is injusticia!
such a shitty movie
Sunset Samurai
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The Artisan
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Will also depend on how Infinity War Pt. 1 does, as well as Spiderman solo, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Dr. Strange, GOTG 2, Ant Man and the Wasp, Ragnarok...
Why does BP look like a Power Ranger tho?
At least pick the year they were cats
BKatastrophe
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If T'challa were an actual Ranger that season, they would have just won.At least pick the year they were cats
None of this demon beast bullshit. Wouldn't have lasted long enough to be a threat
Nope, it's right. Best Iron Man movie.
I'm serious.
First 2/3 of Iron Man 1 >> Iron Man 3 >> Last 1/3 of Iron Man 1 = Iron Man 2
Callibretto
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I'm wondering, will Chadwick Boseman has problem about wearing mask most of the time? Presumably, holywood actors usually don't like covering their face. Are we going to have Phanter frequently remove his mask.
I feel worse for the stunt actors. I couldn't imagine trying to film fight choreography in that thing, I imagine it would be hard to breathe.
Zeyphersan
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New meaning to the phrase "comic science"
Manmademan
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That was "Superman" in 1978. $300M in 1978= about 1.09 Billion in 2015 dollars.
Box office was drastically different though, so it's not a 1:1 comparison when looking at movies that old.
Marvel stans can be the fucking worst.
Like it's not bad enough to have this bullshit DC VS Marvel fanboy war, they gotta bring it down to comparing BO numbers and act oblivious to the fact DC is just 1 movie into their shared universe whereas Marvel is twelve movies deep into theirs. Makes no sense to compare this shit.
The thing is, the competition is there. Marvel and the fans are not going to give a shit if this superman´s, batman's, wonder woman's first movies. They just go to watch it and give an opinion about it.
I mean, what is marvel supposed to do? Stop making movies until DC catch up? Nope, It's DC the ones who have to adapt themselves to the competition and try to make movies impactful enough to be a worthy rival of other superheroes movies ( not just marvel's).
Actually yeah; I mean; I don't like it nearly as much as Winter Soldier or GotG but it gets WAY too much hate. That being said, I really disliked the ending and typical marvel weak / unmemorable villain.
You say this like Marvel stans are the only ones doing it. DC stans are just as likely, if not more so to automatically declare the DCCU the superior CU.
Manmademan
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lol. come on bro. DC has been making Batman movies since 1966. "1 movie into their shared universe" is a funny way of saying "this is the 8th batman film and the 6th/7th superman film"
this isn't even the first time DC tried "shared universe." They tried it with Superman and Supergirl, but THAT movie suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper bombed
Manmademan
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DC stans have been shitting up Marvel threads for just as long. They just haven't had anything to fling outside of his Holiness Nolan or "looks like a TV show and isn't dark enough" up to this point. Then MoS happened and they went into hiding until BvS was announced. I think most are just fucking around, but there are those who take it seriously on both sides. It's okay to laugh at them
Even after the whole whats-his-name debacle and countless cries of "MAHVEL first bomb"
DC being behind and having to try and reorganize their shit the way Marvel is doing it is their own damn faults. I dont know why I'm expected to give a shit that they are lagging behind their competition. Sucks for them. I just watch the movies.
Yeah, that's just crazy. The success and how well Captain America, Guardians and Antman were handled is amazing to me. And that's leaving out how well they did with making Ironman a big deal too. At this point he is the biggest solo character. It's just insane how well they handled it.
If we get equally good efforts for Dr Strange and T'challa and Captain Marvel I will need an oxygen machine man.
Manmademan
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The list of movies ANT-MAN actually outgrossed is kind of ridiculous.
Ant-Man outgrossed Superman returns AND Batman Begins, adjusting for inflation.
international box office and 3D tax helped there I'm sure...but even suggesting marvel's worst hero could get anywhere close to DC's flagship characters would have had you locked up 15 years ago.
The trailer was okay. I was expecting a different tone since its a vs movie. This feels like the same ole Mavel movie and that's getting stale to me. Then again I didn't like the WS trailer but enjoyed the movie.
Why are people still talking about how much money these movies make? Mavel movies are more family friendly so they should make more money. Marvel should be making more since they got the movie audience hooked first. I just hope both do well enough to keep the comic train going.
Why are people still talking about how much money these movies make? Mavel movies are more family friendly so they should make more money. Marvel should be making more since they got the movie audience hooked first. I just hope both do well enough to keep the comic train going.
Don't nobody see the movies he is in charge of.
I love the fanboy bitching. I have always liked the different design philosophies of both companies and both sides fighting keeps them striving to do better. I just hope DC gets it's shit in order in films. On tv Marvel have been playing catchup and arguably are doing better. Film however..... it will be at least 3 years before they can even be mentioned in the same breath as Marvel.
Manmademan
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DD and Jessica Jones are legitimately good series on netflix. Can't speak to the ABC stuff, but that says more about the state of network television than it does Marvel themselves.
That's just typical WB/DC fuckery. They had the shared universe idea all the way back with Superman Lives and continued trying to make it happen in future projects only to toss the ideas each time. It took Marvel succeeding for them to finally get their shit together.
The ABC shows are kind of like the Marvel Adventures imprint, good and fun, but not going to generate think pieces.
I like Gotham out of all the DC shows though I ain't seen all of Arrow, or any of Flash and Supergirl. Constantine was only ok.
My problem with DC, and hence my desire to not watch their shows because there isn't a decent return on investment for universe-building, is that:
A) They won't be tied to the cinematic universe
B) They can't even be all tied to each other
C) There was a rumor that the film side was preventing the TV side from using specific villains (Deathstroke, I think?)
While Marvel can grow their universe across different forms of media, DC seems stunted across TV. This is a shame, because I've heard Arrow and Flash are excellent, but I don't want to invest in those shows when the films I'm more interested in seeing aren't going to acknowledge them in any capacity.
PhoncipleBone
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Been saying for the last year or two that we will get it, along with the shield breaking. Then right before Thanos delivers the killing blow to Cap, Tony will fly in and take the hit and die. Finally laying down on the wire for someone else.
That will also be the trigger that Cap needs to lift Mjolnir and beat Thanos's ass as I squeal uncontrollably in the theater.
And to add that Cap is more of a boy scout than brooding Superman.
Get invested in both and acknowledge they are/can be different things?
PhoncipleBone
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Flash is the best live action comic book in some time. It is unashamed of its ridiculous comic book origins and fully embraces them. For crying out loud, we got Gorilla Grodd and King Shark in the span of a few episodes.
If anything, keeping the film and tv side separate has allowed the CWverse to run wild with whatever ideas they want to. And if there were restrictions (Deadshot recently according to rumors), it has forced them to dig deeper into the C and D tier characters and villains, which I absolutely love.
I don't know why everyone feels there is one way to skin a cat. I liked how in Marvel comics everything happened in NYC, except when they were in space or going back and forth in time. There was hyper continuity which made it feel like there was a more cohesive universe. That said, I also liked how DC shit went down in different cities, there were many continuities and thus allowed more flexibility for story telling. I hoped this would be the case in the TV universe where writers would not have their hands tied trying to keep a cohesive tv and film universe as was apparently the case in the first half of Agents of Shield.
The thing that makes Cap 100% worthy will be facing down death and deciding to live. Dude's got a ton of survivor's guilt on his shoulders, doesn't have a place in the world, only has the fight to keep him going, so on, so forth. Thematically, he's gotta learn that life's still worth living, and going one-on-one against Thanos is definitely the place to get that lesson.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Those aren't really issues other than C if true IMO. The issues is having 24 episodes that is padding with so much filler bullshit on top of none of them being on HBO/Netflix. So we get stuck with teenage love drama that 90% don't give a shit about. If the Flash was 12-14 episodes and on Netflix where they didn't have to pander to CW nonsense, it would be far and away the best comic book show by a country mile. It really wouldn't be close tbh.
I could be blinded by nostalgia, but a central love interest in a show doesn't have to be bad. I liked the New Adventures of Superman. Lois and Clark wasn't bad and that show was unapologetically comic book.
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Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
The problem with the DC films is they have nobody in their cast like Chris Evans in terms of good looks, acting talent and charisma.
Poor them.
Poor them.
It's handled extremely poorly for most of both shows tenure (thankfully they are doing a good job in both current seasons though).
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