Batman v Superman - New Official Trailer

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OMG I just choked on my soda watching this!
 

Gonzalez

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so i watched Man of Steel when it came out so, memory is a bit blurry but doesn't Louis know supermans identity?

Also is superman's identity unknown in this movie or does everyone know clark kent is superman i mean..how the FUCK CAN YOU NOT??????
or are they going to play dumb lol
Who's Louis? Is he the Daily Planet janitor?
 

SYNTAX182

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I liked it, even hyper Lex. I don't like the doomsday and wonderwoman design though, yuck. I kinda guessed they would work together in the end so that part didn't really bother me.

Randon thought: If superman knows who batman is, why does he still disguise his voice when in costume?
 
I like Doomsday here. Why? Because he's a shitty character, but an imposing threat. If the DCCU decides to do a proper "Death of Superman/Reign of the Supermen" arc, then Clark should 'die' at the hands of an actual good character.

why even adapt that story if you are going to take out such a huge part of it

at that point just do something original
 
lol so...Lex, batman, the public can't figure out who supe is even when they ment kent ? da faq. Superman doesn't need a mask but in this movie where its all serious and shit, and you have clark going around in broad daylight this is lulz worthy
Bruce probably knows. They tend to figure out eachother's identity in the comics and cartoons
 
It's going to be the worst super hero movie since the older Captain America movie.... or most recently as bad as Man of Steel or Age of Ultron :-/
 

a916

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Yep, and I'm all for change. We have seen these same monster fights fro 15 years.

Nah. He's a throwaway character for when you need a battle... but want the focus on something else. Like Batman and Superman conflict and them eventually coming together.

Doomsday was made for this role.
 

Ashhong

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lol so...Lex, batman, the public can't figure out who supe is even when they ment kent ? da faq. Superman doesn't need a mask but in this movie where its all serious and shit, and you have clark going around in broad daylight this is lulz worthy

wtf? Isn't that how Superman/Clark is in every single piece of media ever?
 

Vice

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why even adapt that story if you are going to take out such a huge part of it

at that point just do something original

The villain is the least important part of that arc. Any character that's a force of nature-type villain works for it and Superman gets one of those every couple of years.

lol so...Lex, batman, the public can't figure out who supe is even when they ment kent ? da faq. Superman doesn't need a mask but in this movie where its all serious and shit, and you have clark going around in broad daylight this is lulz worthy
Batman usually figures it out pretty quickly. Lex is into the idea that someone like Superman would be Superman 24/7 and often refuses to see it nay other way and he wouldn't want to admit that he was fooled by the disguise anyway.
 
I felt like I watched the entire plot in both trailers. I personally would of kept a bit of mystery. Bravo WB for basically ruining your own movie 6 months away.
 

The Adder

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why even adapt that story if you are going to take out such a huge part of it

at that point just do something original

He really, REALLY wasn't. He was invented for the story. Had no characterization. Showed up. Beat a bunch of heroes. Fought Superman. Double K.O.

That's it.

Literally anyone in Superman's weight class can show up and do that.

The only reason that it was acceptable back then was because the idea of Superman dying was so shocking.

That's not nearly enough to hang a film on.

I say let him finally become the symbol of hope and good he is meant to be in his next solo film. Have him then go out stopping Darkseid in Justice League. Follow it up with a Reign of the Supermen film. Open that film with the funeral and end it with him back.
 
Movie looks beyond overstuffed.

Isn't Doomsday the kind of character/threat that ought to have an entire film dedicated to him? Serious question.

Is tacking him on at the end of the Bat/Supes conflict not a waste?
 
Movie looks beyond overstuffed.

Isn't Doomsday the kind of character/threat that ought to have an entire film dedicated to him? Serious question.

Is tacking him on at the end of the Bat/Supes conflict not a waste?

If you were to go with the full death of superman story then yeah. It's kind of his only real impact and relevance.

Honestly the treatment here might as well just be a homage.
 
DC really wants that team up money. I don't understand why they didn't go for the slow burn, this should have just been a Man of Steel sequel.
 
He really, REALLY wasn't. He was invented for the story. Had no characterization. Showed up. Beat a bunch of heroes. Fought Superman. Double K.O.

That's it.

Literally anyone in Superman's weight class can show up and do that.

The only reason that it was acceptable back then was because the idea of Superman dying was so shocking.

That's not nearly enough to hang a film on.

I say let him finally become the symbol of hope and good he is meant to be in his next solo film. Have him then go out stopping Darkseid in Justice League. Follow it up with a Reign of the Supermen film. Open that film with the funeral and end it with him back.

It changes the story if it's anyone else. Especially Darkseid. Darkseid beating the shit out of Superman until he dies also goes completely against his character.
 

kurahador

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If you were to go with the full death of superman story then yeah. It's kind of his only real impact and relevance.

Honestly the treatment here might as well just be a homage.

Or they could just have him locks up in a Wayne/Themyscira's vault. When it's time to do that storyline, have him somehow managed to smash through it.

Been watching the fixed trailer couple of times, I'm really liking more on Batfleck part and how all the characters surrounding him look.
I feel like Batman part of the story will be the highlight of this movie.
 

Mobius 1

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DC really wants that team up money. I don't understand why they didn't go for the slow burn, this should have just been a Man of Steel sequel.

No, it should have been a Batman film with Superman and Wonder Woman cameos to setup the conflict, then the full blast confrontation/team up in the following movie.

Now in a single film they will:
- Explain Batman's origins, again.
- Tie it all up to Man of Steel's events, people's discomfort about Superman's presence.
- Introduce Wonder Woman
- Introduce Lex Luthor
- Create a conflict between Bats and Supes
- Somehow find the time to let them resolve all that
- Then introduce Doomsday.
- Then, somehow, have them save the day.

I don't know. Not that optimistic at the moment.
 
It's much better than Bale's

Who said they are explaining Batman's origins? There's no indication of that being the case at all.

Maybe Bale's TDK/R voice.

Bale was the perfect Bats in Begins.

I'm still not seeing the appeal of Affleck as Batman. You guys still seem to be focusing on how he looks in still and on screen. The few words as Bruce/Bats so far have done nothing to pique my interest.
 
No, it should have been a Batman film with Superman and Wonder Woman cameos to setup the conflict, then the full blast confrontation/team up in the following movie.

Now in a single film they will:
- Explain Batman's origins, again.
- Tie it all up to Man of Steel's events, people's discomfort about Superman's presence.
- Introduce Wonder Woman
- Introduce Lex Luthor
- Create a conflict between Bats and Supes
- Somehow find the time to let them resolve all that
- Then introduce Doomsday.
- Then, somehow, have them save the day.

I don't know. Not that optimistic at the moment.

Really, REALLY makes me wish the rumor that they'd split this into two films was true.

They don't have 7 years time to make 7 mediocre movies building up to nothing

says who?
 
Movie looks beyond overstuffed.

Isn't Doomsday the kind of character/threat that ought to have an entire film dedicated to him? Serious question.

Is tacking him on at the end of the Bat/Supes conflict not a waste?

No, definitely not. Doomsday is the throwaway punching bag villain.
 

Bronx-Man

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DC really wants that team up money. I don't understand why they didn't go for the slow burn, this should have just been a Man of Steel sequel.

Everything from casting Affleck as Batman to shoving Wonder Woman and potentially Aquaman into the mix and showcasing Doomsday in the trailers suggests that Warner Bros really really wants BvS to do Avengers-level money.
 

Cooter

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No, it should have been a Batman film with Superman and Wonder Woman cameos to setup the conflict, then the full blast confrontation/team up in the following movie.

Now in a single film they will:
- Explain Batman's origins, again.
- Tie it all up to Man of Steel's events, people's discomfort about Superman's presence.
- Introduce Wonder Woman
- Introduce Lex Luthor
- Create a conflict between Bats and Supes
- Somehow find the time to let them resolve all that
- Then introduce Doomsday.
- Then, somehow, have them save the day.

I don't know. Not that optimistic at the moment.
I don't understand these type of complaints. Many films have set up plenty of elements and done it competently. Most recently GotG easily accomplished it and it was great. They introduced 4 major characters, an entire galaxy and a villainous crew. This isn't as difficult as many try to make it sound.
 
Movie looks beyond overstuffed.

Isn't Doomsday the kind of character/threat that ought to have an entire film dedicated to him? Serious question.

Is tacking him on at the end of the Bat/Supes conflict not a waste?
Nah, Doomsday is a throwaway villain. Not interesting at all. Makes sense they use him here to unite the three, you don't need any real buildup.
 

JB1981

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Maybe Bale's TDK/R voice.

Bale was the perfect Bats in Begins.

I'm still not seeing the appeal of Affleck as Batman. You guys still seem to be focusing on how he looks in still and on screen. The few words as Bruce/Bats so far have done nothing to pique my interest.

I think his line "that sonuvabitch brought the war to us" sounds nice and mean and gravely. Affleck putting some nice inflection in that delivery.
 

lamaroo

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I think his line "that sonuvabitch brought the war to us" sounds nice and mean and gravely. Affleck putting some nice inflection in that delivery.

That line is interesting from Bruce. Considering many point to his existence bringing the crazies to Gotham.
 

Xero

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Movie looks beyond overstuffed.

Isn't Doomsday the kind of character/threat that ought to have an entire film dedicated to him? Serious question.

Is tacking him on at the end of the Bat/Supes conflict not a waste?
No doomsday is better suited to this. I dont think he would work well with a whole movie dedicated to him. No point
 
I don't understand these type of complaints. Many films have set up plenty of elements and done it competently. Most recently GotG easily accomplished it and it was great. They introduced 4 major characters, an entire galaxy and a villainous crew. This isn't as difficult as many try to make it sound.

GotG are built around a team, like Power Rangers. There's the Leader, the Big Guy, Smart Guy, etc.. You are never going to see a movie with just the squirrel or the Green Chick, they need each other work.

Conversely, Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman are all characters that are supposed to be the stars of their own adventures. They each have their own sidekicks, allies, enemies, themes. They each are supposed to be main characters and making them team up is supposed to be a monuments occasion.

ASM2 also tried to do the same things you mentined and failed utterly. A good writer (or a team of good writers) can maybe do all that in one movie. Average or poor writers (like most in the MCU) need several films. Goyer is not a good writer. Like at all.

You see this Marvel? This is how you completely deflate expectations. This is how you do it, Marvel.

Don't worry, Marvel deflates your expectation once the movie actually starts.
 

Cooter

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GotG are built around a team, like Power Rangers. There's the Leader, the Big Guy, Smart Guy, etc.. You are never going to see a movie with just the squirrel or the Green Chick, they need each other work.

Conversely, Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman are all characters that are supposed to be the stars of their own adventures. They each have their own sidekicks, allies, enemies, themes. They each are supposed to be main characters and making them team up is supposed to be a monuments occasion.

ASM2 also tried to do the same things you mentined and failed utterly. A good writer (or a team of good writers) can maybe do all that in one movie. Average or poor writers (like most in the MCU) need several films. Goyer is not a good writer. Like at all.
Your point about main characters is irrelevant. The issue is if you can introduce a plethora of characters in one film and have it be coherent.
 
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