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Fan Favorite PS2 Games Launching on PS4 Tomorrow

Maybe I'll buy Rogue Galaxy... Or maybe just wait on a sale for it... Have the PS2 version but didn't finish it, wasn't the biggest fan of the game, I kind of want to try it again...

The GTA games should be cross buy for sure, and any game that was previously released digitally. It is ridiculous that they aren't and it really makes a bad impression of what is exactly what I wanted from PS2 games on PS4 (here's hoping for more and better games to be added!).
 
superNESjoe said:
When Sony's main competitor is rolling out a program that let's you bring forward games at no additional price, and even let's you use your original discs to access them, then as a consumer you kind of have a place to sit here and ask why you should be paying for this. Especially people who owned PS2 classics, there is zero excuse for that.
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Exactly. This whole thing only seems to benefit new players who have never purchased or played these games before. For the rest of us who've owned these games for over a decade, it does absolutely nothing and feels like just a cash grab.
 
kiguel182 said:
I don't get this argument. Like, things aren't that linear. Just because they spent money on that doesn't mean it isn't anti-consumer to past all of those costs to them (plus their profit).

Microsoft developed an emulator too, they offered it for free. Because it created goodwill and value for the platform. Because there's more ways to make money than "now pay for this games again".

Everything a company does costs money, and there are ways to be pro-consumer about it and anti-consumer about. This is the latter.

On top of it all there isn't even an upgrade path if you already owned the games, creating ill-will with your consumers. Not a great move.
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This might not be pro consumer, but i wouldn't call it anti consumer. They aren't preventing you from enjoying anything that you already had before.

They simply have a service than doesn't interest you and other gamers. It's kinda of shitty, yes, but not even close to being anti consumer.
 
Pathfinder said:
Exactly. This whole thing only seems to benefit new players who have never purchased or played these games before. For the rest of us who've owned these games for over a decade, it does absolutely nothing and feels like just a cash grab.
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It also doesn't stop those games you have owned for over a decade from working.
 
superNESjoe said:
I'm not "upset" about it, but at that price I will absolutely not be buying any of them and I can see why others won't too. It's simply too high. You can get the PS2 GTA Trilogy for dramatically cheaper than that elsewhere right now. Hell, you can still get them brand new as a set at Walmart for way less than that.

When Sony's main competitor is rolling out a program that let's you bring forward games at no additional price, and even let's you use your original discs to access them, then as a consumer you kind of have a place to sit here and ask why you should be paying for this. Especially people who owned PS2 classics, there is zero excuse for that.
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Exactly, they aren't in a vacuum and the competition is doing it in a much more consumer friendly way
 
superNESjoe said:
I'm not "upset" about it, but at that price I will absolutely not be buying any of them and I can see why others won't too. It's simply too high. You can get the PS2 GTA Trilogy for dramatically cheaper than that elsewhere right now. Hell, you can still get them brand new as a set at Walmart for way less than that.

When Sony's main competitor is rolling out a program that let's you bring forward games at no additional price, and even let's you use your original discs to access them, then as a consumer you kind of have a place to sit here and ask why you should be paying for this. Especially people who owned PS2 classics, there is zero excuse for that.
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To be honest this whole thing reminds me of the Sony of last gen they're sitting on top again so they're thinking sod it we can just charge for these things again it doesn't matter what Microsoft are doing.
 
superNESjoe said:
I'm not "upset" about it, but at that price I will absolutely not be buying any of them and I can see why others won't too. It's simply too high. You can get the PS2 GTA Trilogy for dramatically cheaper than that elsewhere right now. Hell, you can still get them brand new as a set at Walmart for way less than that.
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This exactly. These are, in some cases, over a decade old games- I would happily pick up a few classics and try things I missed for the $10 price tag, but at $15? I'm not willing to experiment at that, and in a lot of cases, I can get physical copies at better prices than that. Like, I'm not calling for blood or anything crazy- I'm just disappointed in the majority of the prices. Hopefully more of the games are in-line with War of the Monsters and Twisted Metal, but Dark Cloud and Rogue Galaxy don't fill me with confidence.

Alternately, if there's a strong PS+ support or frequent sales, that can be an alright compromise too.
 
Ingueferroque said:
PS3 is last gen, this is 2 gens ago.

If Gamecube and Xbox games were available on those platforms, I am convinced they would have the same price point.
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The price point isn't what I (and many others have) an issue with, it's the no upgrade path for the PS3 purchased ones.
 
Also, is there any reason for the belief that these won't be compatible with the PS5? I mean they're probably working on PS1 compatibility for the PS4 still. Sure it takes time, but it happens eventually no?
 
What I dreamed about: PS1 and PS2 emulation on the PS4 with cross-buy functionality

What we seem to be getting: a more sophisticated version of PS2 emulation on the PS4 that allows for a kind of convenient mini-remastering process, making games take advantage of modern hardware

I'm disappointed and excited at the same time. I would love to have convenient access to all those PS1 and PS2 games I purchased, or barring cross-buy functionality, even to have the same vast library merely available on the system I'm currently using. I have wanted this since I first picked up a PS4, browsed through the PS store, and found it empty without the charming presence of older titles.

But I still have a PS3, and we live in a different world than the one where PS1 and PS2 classics were first conceived. Hardware has evolved, remasters abound, preferences have changed. An emulator that streamlines the process of remastering PS2 games for modern hardware? I like this idea. In a real way, it's definitely more exciting than "oh, hey, your backlog of classic games on the PS3 is now also available on the PS4." It comes with a great excuse to revisit them. And either way, they're finally coming.

What I wonder is what place PS1 games have in all this. Easier to emulate, but harder to remaster up to the same standard. Does the "no cross-buy, accommodate simple remasters" strategy suit them? Would Sony be willing to take a different approach to them, or will they delay PS1 emulation entirely until they come up with a solution that meets the same criteria as this PS2 emulation? Hopefully tomorrow we'll get a clearer picture of where they're going with all this.
 
Nerfgun said:
Nice to want things. There would have always been a legal issue with old/disbanded devs anyways.

I do not believe this is true since PS4 is now in Intel hardware, the old exotic stuff is in the past.

They aren't wasted, you played them.

I agree that $15 is too much but for how good these look, the extra support for trophies and streaming, and Shareplay, $10 is reasonable IMO.
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- There isn't legal issues when you emulate the system outright. PS1 was compatible with PS3 without legal issues.

- How do you know that? There is nothing stopping them creating an emulator that supports PS2 discs except a business decision. This is the key point. So what's to stop them from requiring you to re-buy the games on PS5 if they even release that game again.

- I played them on PS2 and have the discs.

- I don't care about the $15, I care about the $60 original purchase or the re-buying $10 PS2 classic then $15 PS2-PS4. It's $85 dollar for the same game. And then will be a $100 for PS5. $115 for PS6. etc.

EDIT - Honestly, I don't even care the price, I care about the compatibility and lack of catalogue support.
 
ChronotriggerJM said:
Also, is there any reason for the belief that these won't be compatible with the PS5? I mean they're probably working on PS1 compatibility for the PS4 still. Sure it takes time, but it happens eventually no?
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Nah, you can expect to wait a couple years during the PS5'S life to purchase these old games ported for an even higher price than now because it uses system wide features.
 
What I can't understand is why are people so angry at paying $15 for a game that's supposed to be very good and hopefully runs at the performance that we expect from games released nowadays.

A good game is a good game regardless of the generation released.
 
Yurikerr said:
This might not be pro consumer, but i wouldn't call it anti consumer. They aren't preventing you from enjoying anything that you already had before.

They simply have a service than doesn't interest you and other gamers. It's kinda of shitty, yes, but not even close to being anti consumer.
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But this service stops the pro-consumer service of existing. That's why I'm calling it anti-consumer.

If they offered a way to play those PS2 classics (and PS2 games you might have) and sell a "better" version for 15 dollars I would totally think it's fair.

That's the version of this that I would applaud and probably would make me buy the PS2 titles that I never played.

This makes it seem that they don't care about old time consumers (and, for the record, I'm not one of them) and therefore makes me not want to engage with this service.
 
superNESjoe said:
I'm not "upset" about it, but at that price I will absolutely not be buying any of them and I can see why others won't too. It's simply too high. You can get the PS2 GTA Trilogy for dramatically cheaper than that elsewhere right now. Hell, you can still get them brand new as a set at Walmart for way less than that.

When Sony's main competitor is rolling out a program that let's you bring forward games at no additional price, and even let's you use your original discs to access them, then as a consumer you kind of have a place to sit here and ask why you should be paying for this. Especially people who owned PS2 classics, there is zero excuse for that.
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I totally get that, I'm a bit frustrated, too. I'm more talking about the folks who think 15 dollars is to much. If you never owned the game, 15 isn't bad for the extra features.
 
I think the price-point is just the icing on the cake. It would be fine if they had done other stuff right but they didn't so it's more aggravating.
 
Yurikerr said:
What I can't understand is why are people so angry at paying $15 for a game that's supposed to be very good and hopefully runs at the performance that we expect from games released nowadays.

A good game is a good game regardless of the generation released.
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For some of us it isn't really the price, it is no legacy support for those of us who bought them on PS3, when it was cross platform before (Vita, PSP). Now they want us to dish out the money again (and again in the future, no doubt, with the PS5). At least Nintendo offered a discount for Wii U Virtual Console games past purchases...and that's Nintendo. Nintendo.
 
kiguel182 said:
But this service stops the pro-consumer service of existing. That's why I'm calling it anti-consumer.

If they offered a way to play those PS2 classics (and PS2 games you might have) and sell a "better" version for 15 dollars I would totally think it's fair.
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I wouldn't go as far as to call it anti-consumer but that (bold) definitely would have been the best option.
 
Haha, those GTA games cost that much?

VC and III are cheaper - and better - on PC. SA is debateable, because the port still needs lots of work.
 
kiguel182 said:
But this service stops the pro-consumer service of existing. That's why I'm calling it anti-consumer.

If they offered a way to play those PS2 classics (and PS2 games you might have) and sell a "better" version for 15 dollars I would totally think it's fair.

That's the version of this that I would applaud and probably would make me buy the PS2 titles that I never played.

This makes it seem that they don't care about old time consumers (and, for the record, I'm not one of them) and therefore makes me not want to engage with this service.
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I agree that they better solutions existed, I just don't agree that this is anti consumer. Almost everything that companies do an be made in a better way, but no everything is made to screw costumers.

Sumio Mondo said:
For some of us it isn't really the price, it is no legacy support for those of us who bought them on PS3, when it was cross platform before (Vita, PSP). Now they want us to dish out the money again (and again in the future, no doubt, with the PS5). At least Nintendo offered a discount for Wii U Virtual Console games past purchases...and that's Nintendo. yx.
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I understand and agree with the upgrade path point. I'm. Just pointing at the fact that people consider a first-time purchase at $15 too much.
 
kiguel182 said:
But this service stops the pro-consumer service of existing. That's why I'm calling it anti-consumer.

If they offered a way to play those PS2 classics (and PS2 games you might have) and sell a "better" version for 15 dollars I would totally think it's fair.

That's the version of this that I would applaud and probably would make me buy the PS2 titles that I never played.

This makes it seem that they don't care about old time consumers (and, for the record, I'm not one of them) and therefore makes me not want to engage with this service.
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People just need to see this the same way you could buy PS1 games on PS3... nothing more, nothing less. This is not anti-consumer, you didn't buy a PS4 with the promess of BC or anything... It's just an extra 'store' they add and you may or may not use it if you think i's worth it or not.
 
MrDaravon said:
People need to stop using the MS comparison; Sony is going back TWO generations with this, it's not an apples to apples comparison. Unless they're doing OG Xbox disc-based BC and I missed that news or something.
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It's a solid comparison, whether you want to accept that or not. Some of these games were sold as PS2 Classics on the PS3, so for many people those could be considered PS3 games.

Symphony of the Night and Banjo Kazooie aren't "360" games, but they were released on the 360 and those versions won't require me to pay an additional fee to access on Xbox One. But any PS2 Classic that I bought on my PS3 I can't still use, despite the fact that they were bought on PS3 only one generation prior. That instance is basically a direct comparison if you want to be technical because they're both one generation old consoles.

Listen, arguing whether it's one generation or two is just semantics. Whatever way you slice it we are looking at a situation where both companies are offering some form of backwards compatibility. One company is charging for it, the other one is not. That's competition, and it factors heavily into determining what the value of something is/should be. I get it free on Microsoft, and have gotten it free on every other system that has ever offered it, and I'm not getting it free on PS4. PS4 is literally doing it the same way as MS too, through emulation. One is free, one isn't. So Sony can just buzz off, I'm not paying. I own these games already.
 
Tabris said:
- There isn't legal issues when you emulate the system outright. PS1 was compatible with PS3 without legal issues.

- How do you know that? There is nothing stopping them creating an emulator that supports PS2 discs except a business decision. This is the key point. So what's to stop them from requiring you to re-buy the games on PS5 if they even release that game again.

- I played them on PS2 and have the discs.

- I don't care about the $15, I care about the $60 original purchase or the re-buying $10 PS2 classic then $15 PS2-PS4. It's $85 dollar for the same game. And then will be a $100 for PS5. $115 for PS6. etc.

EDIT - Honestly, I don't even care the price, I care about the compatibility and lack of catalogue support.
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IIRC isn't the reason PS1 games were compatible with PS3 because it was a fully hardware BC solution? I'd read that's why (or part of why) MS has to ask for publisher okay on the 360 BC on X1 because even when you put a physical disc in you're downloading an emulator wrapper and not running it off the disc, and the wrapper technically/legally changes things where they can't just put it out there across the board without the companies okaying it.
 
Nerokis said:
What I dreamed about: PS1 and PS2 emulation on the PS4 with cross-buy functionality

What we seem to be getting: a more sophisticated version of PS2 emulation on the PS4 that allows for a kind of convenient mini-remastering process, making games take advantage of modern hardware

I'm disappointed and excited at the same time. I would love to have convenient access to all those PS1 and PS2 games I purchased, or barring cross-buy functionality, even to have the same vast library merely available on the system I'm currently using. I have wanted this since I first picked up a PS4, browsed through the PS store, and found it empty without the charming presence of older titles.

But I still have a PS3, and we live in a different world than the one where PS1 and PS2 classics were first conceived. Hardware has evolved, remasters abound, preferences have changed. An emulator that streamlines the process of remastering PS2 games for modern hardware? I like this idea. In a real way, it's definitely more exciting than "oh, hey, your backlog of classic games on the PS3 is now also available on the PS4." It comes with a great excuse to revisit them. And either way, they're finally coming.

What I wonder is what place PS1 games have in all this. Easier to emulate, but harder to remaster up to the same standard. Does the "no cross-buy, accommodate simple remasters" strategy suit them? Would Sony be willing to take a different approach to them, or will they delay PS1 emulation entirely until they come up with a solution that meets the same criteria as this PS2 emulation? Hopefully tomorrow we'll get a clearer picture of where they're going with all this.
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Good post.
 
MrDaravon said:
IIRC isn't the reason PS1 games were compatible with PS3 because it was a fully hardware BC solution? I'd read that's why (or part of why) MS has to ask for publisher okay on the 360 BC on X1 because even when you put a physical disc in you're downloading an emulator wrapper and not running it off the disc, and the wrapper technically/legally changes things where they can't just put it out there across the board without the companies okaying it.
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Then they should have put in that $5 chip to play PS1 games and $5 EE chip to play PS2 games.
 
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