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[Consumer]

Completely remastered? Lmao, not really

Au contraire:

Each title’s Trophy set has been carefully developed in conjunction with feedback from the original creators to be sure that they capture the spirit and feeling of each game.

Also, you will be able to experience all of these PS2 games like never before — in up-rendered 1080p with the features you expect from a PS4 game including Remote Play, Live Broadcast, Share Play, Activity Feeds, and Second Screen support for game manuals with PlayStation Vita or PlayStation App.

Everything's remastered to conform with current PS4 standards, which is really impressive.
As an example: you want to make a GTA SA montage? You can spend $100 on a capture card, or $15 on the PS4 remaster to use the share button + sharefactory.

These aren't remasters on the same level as Sony created and sold on disc last generation.

Nintendo gave upgrade discounts to their consumers for Wii U VC titles, which added features to those games. Sony should do the same for owners of PS2 Classics. There is absolutely no excuse for them not to.

The base price of $15 is fine for those who don't already own a game digitally.

Refer to the above. These PS2-PS4 remasters offer more than sufficient value for their prices.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

Let's see how much they cost in the UK, but $15 usually translates as £12. No damn way am I paying that much for old, often mediocre games.

 

[Dizzy-4U]

I wounder what the japanese PSN will bring to the table. Guitar Freaks and Initial D would be nice...

 

[DangerMouse]

I think people will find more impressive 7th gen emulation for free than what Sony is doing. It's fair game.
But we can compare with Nintendo's Wii emulation for sure, where they're doing some weird mix of both strategies.

No way, 7th gen stuff is still too new. Having played PCSX2 stuff I find that much more impressive.

Also, an upgrade program would be a good idea.

There weren't that many PS2 classics so maybe they'll be focusing on those that never made it in in the first place in which case it might not matter much until later.

 

[BigJonsson]

Rogue Galaxy isn't a Star Wars game? I assumed it was an obscure sequel to Rogue Leader that I never heard of lol

 

[Oppo]

Reposting this from another thread:

This is the complete opposite of what I want.

1) This requires development effort, which means a lot of the third party games I want won't be released on it, such as :
- Suikoden 3 to 5
- Shin Megami Tensei 3: Nocturne
- Breath of Fire V: Dragon Quarter
- Valkyrie Profile 2
- Dragon Quest VIII
- Radiate Stories
- Grandia III
- Shadow Hearts 1 to 3
- And the most important game, Xenosaga Episode III

Nice to want things. There would have always been a legal issue with old/disbanded devs anyways.

2) These games are made specifically for PS4 which means when PS5 rolls around, we're in the same boat and all our old purchases are wasted.

I do not believe this is true since PS4 is now in Intel hardware, the old exotic stuff is in the past.

3) Same as above, all our existing purchases, whether disc-based or buying their current PS2 classics are wasted.

They aren't wasted, you played them.

This is a fucking money grab. You could have supported both, with emulation and "enhanced emulation" (trophy support, up rendering, etc) for those select games. Shame on you Sony.

I agree that $15 is too much but for how good these look, the extra support for trophies and streaming, and Shareplay, $10 is reasonable IMO.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

I meant on 360. On iOs/Android it's $7.

I did too. Just checked, when it launched last year on xbla it was $3.74. And it wasn't even worth that really, despite what I may have written at the time.

 

[Black Republican]

i'm not particularly angered by this. just seems like budget remaster program with trophies etc.

its not backwards compatibility, it was never the goal.

i think Sony should actually market these as "Budget Remasters" no?

 

[kiguel182]

This also opens a precedent that if you buy a PS2 game on the PS4 it can be incompatible with the PS5. It has an expiration that on it.

Because game preservation isn't something that brings in a profit I guess. Even if it's possible.

This is all very disappointing.

And "VHS!" isn't a good point since there were limitations in place back then that aren't now.

Even selling higher quality version of the titles was understandable but this, this is not.

 

[Calabi]

It's why I laugh as well. That's literally the same situation as this lol. It will sell gangbusters. Just like a lot of games on this list will.

But it's not though is it? Final Fantasy 7 will at least have some work done to it, more than these emulated games. It fricken better with the time it's taking.

 

[bananafactory]

If you're calling the ability to use PS4 system-level features like sharing, streaming, remote play, etc. enhanced versions...then yes, Xbox 360 games on Xbox One can use those features as well. Achievements aren't added, of course, since they were present in the original titles.

I was mostly referring to the resolution bump to 1080p.

 

[Shahed]

I don't particularly mind the price. It's the lack of compatibility with previous Classic purchases. Heck not even a steep discount which I think would be bad in itself. But we get nothing.

 

[Quintin DM]

I really dig the fact that they're adding trophy support and all that, but even so I think $15 is too much.

The real problem for me though is the fact that I'll have to rebuy the damn game, even if I already owned it as a PS2 classic on PS3. Like the disc based one I get a little (still think it's sort of bullshit though), but to me no PS2 classic compatibility ability is ridiculous. Microsoft really nailed BC (aside from the initial lineup, but that can be improved over time), but so far Sony is kind of messing it up.

 

[androvsky]

Sure it is.

New and improved versions of products are released all the time. It doesn't entitle you to them because you bought an older version.

Shouldn't matter if it's digital or physical. As long as they aren't revoking the item you paid for, and it still works, they have no obligation to upgrade you to a newer shinier one

Would it be a nice gesture? Absolutely. Is there precedence for it? Yes. But let's not pretend it's the norm

The PS2, PS3, Wii, Wii U, Xbox 360, and Xbox One all support at least some discs from prior systems for free. Bascially, the last system that had a predecessor with an optical drive but completely ignored disc BC was the Dreamcast.

 

[Live Free or Die]

Awesome! $15 is a bargain!

 

[digoutyoursoul]

I think they will have some good announcements tomorrow, get this out the way and hopefully some of the good stuff tomorrow. Hope so anyway as it stinks that. Playing on the trophy addicts.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Refer to the above. These PS2-PS4 remasters offer more than sufficient value for their prices.

WiI U VC titles and 360 BC releases on XB1 offer similar features for their respective platforms.

I really have no beef with games being $15 but offering no upgrade path is unacceptable.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

Any word on whether we can play these in widescreen? A lot of the older PS2 games didn't support 16:9. And yeah, I know it's not for everyone, but I like having my games take up the whole screen.

The GTAs did on PS2, and I think Rogue Galaxy did as well.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

I don't particularly mind the price. It's the lack of compatibility with previous Classic purchases. Heck not even a steep discount which I think would be bad in itself. But we get nothing.

Yep, that is my main gripe with this and people should be upset about this. Hope they'll change it.

 

[Jombie]

I'm hoping for Silent Hill 1-4.

 

[blackjaw]

$15 for rogue galaxy isn't too bad

 

[Elfstruck]

I see some nonsense lvl in this thread. Sony is basically adding an option to play PS2 games on their system. This allows people to reexperience all the nostalgia and childhood memories. If you dont like their pricing, move on. Sony is not forcing you to buy.

 

[kevin1025]

San Andreas was just released on PS3 as the mobile port, and now there's going to be a classic PS2 version on PS4. It'll be weird if they have different trophy lists, or one runs way better than the other!

 

[Catvoca]

So switch the comparison to VHS/DVD and your argument falls apart

In that case, it's a little different since you're talking about physical media. Digitally this barrier doesn't exist, this is just Sony saying that they think these small improvements warrant making people rebuy their old games if they want to play them on the latest hardware. And I personally think that decision is pretty anti-consumer, and makes me not want to buy any of these new games.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Again, physical media.

And, because this was done before should it be done forever? Is that your argument?

Well, Microsoft offers free emulation of your Xbox 360 games. That's another example for you of the opposite.

I think the way Sony viewing it is that the ps4 version of San Andreas is not the same as he PS3 version. This isn't a case where they are just allowing you to play that old game on your new system. The Wii u upgrade thing was paying a couple of bucks to play the same rom dump already bought on Wii but booting directly from your new console and with your new controller, and if you didn't want to do that you had to boot into Wii mode since it basically had the old hardware built in. Sony doesn't seem to be positioning these as the same games and really is emphasizing the upgrades and changes. That's definitely not going to be worth it to a lot of people, i get that.

In a post iPhone/app world, all three console manufacturers have sort of dropped the ball in terms of future proofing for software, let's just hope that changes going forward.

 

[darkistheway]

I guess I'll just plug my PS2 in then. Need a lot more games before this interests me. Launching with this few is sorta ridiculous.

 

[ZangBa]

$15 dollars? Fuck outta here with that Sony. Even a massive trophy whore like me won't be scammed that bad.

 

[VRMN]

Everything's remastered to conform with current PS4 standards, which is really impressive.
As an example: you want to make a GTA SA montage? You can spend $100 on a capture card, or $15 on the PS4 remaster to use the share button + sharefactory.

The system level feature set is inherent to the platform and I don't consider an improvement. It's inherent to an application running on the PS4.

Trophies I'll give you. The upscale (which is what it is), sure. But the features like share play and streaming is just something that comes with a game running on the platform. Microsoft did the same thing with Xbox 360 games on Xbox One.

I was mostly referring to the resolution bump to 1080p.

Eh...I'm honestly curious as to how some of these games will look blown up. I suspect it might well be a PS Vita TV situation where...yeah, it works, but it doesn't look the greatest, just because the games were designed for 4:3 resolutions at pre-HD levels.

 

[DangerMouse]

FF7 isn't going be a simple upped resolution release with trophies. There's going to be a significant makeover done there compared to what these are.

I think it's really going to be just the PC port without much extra work.

I'm sure she was just talking about the upcoming PC to PS4 port, not the remake.

 

[outunderthestars]

I really dig the fact that they're adding trophy support and all that, but even so I think $15 is too much.

Seems reasonable to me. Most PS1 games were $5 -$10 and they were just a rom dump.

 

[onQ123]

So switch the comparison to VHS/DVD and your argument falls apart

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=186663836&postcount=1632

Blu-ray & Netflix is cool but I have a problem, what am I going to do with my VHS collection?

If I can't watch my Barney VHS in HD on my Blu-ray player Netflix & PSN movies is useless to me.

 

[Moze]

No excuse for not allowing an upgrade price if you already own the game.

 

[Drago]

Parappa 2 on PS4 is big news! Y'all better get on that when it comes out...

Spoiler

still waiting on a new Parappa game

 

[Storm360]

I see some nonsense lvl in this thread. Sony is basically adding an option to play PS2 games on their system. This allows people to reexperience all the nostalgia and childhood memories. If you dont like their pricing, move on. Sony is not forcing you to buy.

I don't have a problem with a pricing

I have a problem with them not allowing PS3 classic purchases to work, despite PSP classic purchases carrying forwards to PS3 and Vita.

 

[Worldshaker]

I'm buying Rogue Galaxy to show my support. I'd buy Dark Cloud as well if it were a tad cheaper.

 

[Keihart]

Horrible, is sony backpedaling on the idea of crossbuy as much as you can?

I need to hear proper justification for this sidesteping on crossbuy for classics, i wont support this.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

yosp is apologizing to everyone individually who tweets him they're disappointed with the solution lmao

He's such a cutie.

 

[Drayco21]

Not getting them for free if you already bought the PS2 classics is a load of shit.

$15 is also a bit too much to ask for an up-rezzed digital PS2 game in my opinion. I'll grab War of the Monsters, but Dark Cloud, Rogue Galaxy and Mark of Kri can wait until they go on sale.

 

[Elfstruck]

I don't have a problem with a pricing

I have a problem with them not allowing PS3 classic purchases to work, despite PSP classic purchases carrying forwards to PS3 and Vita.

If you go back in this thread a bit... There is a bunch of ppl complaing about $15 for a ps2 game. Oh wait, speaking of the devil, theres one just righ below this post.

 

[Sumio Mondo]

I don't have a problem with a pricing

I have a problem with them not allowing PS3 classic purchases to work, despite PSP classic purchases carrying forwards to PS3 and Vita.

hashtag4thegamers

Spoiler

topayalloveragain

 

[Kusagari]

15 bucks?

LMFAO. Sony must want nobody to buy them so they can stop after a year.

 

[outunderthestars]

I'm buying Rogue Galaxy to show my support. I'd buy Dark Cloud as well if it were a tad cheaper.

And they will be cheaper during flash sales.

 

[Wilsongt]

For people who don't own the games, this seems like a good deal. But, I already own the only game on that list I want which is rogue galaxy and I still have my Ps2 hooked up.

I have a feeling this might be something line the virtual console in which a lot of obscure or niche titles, or titles by defunct developers, won't appear.

 

[Gaspard]

Oof, i'd excuse that price if they weren't dirt cheap used.

 

[Super Stardust]

All I want is persona 3 fes

 

[bananafactory]

I think the way Sony viewing it is that the ps4 version of San Andreas is not the same as he PS3 version. This isn't a case where they are just allowing you to play that old game on your new system. The Wii u upgrade thing was paying a couple of bucks to play the same rom dump already bought on Wii but booting directly from your new console and with your new controller, and if you didn't want to do that you had to boot into Wii mode since it basically had the old hardware built in. Sony doesn't seem to be positioning these as the same games and really is emphasizing the upgrades and changes. That's definitely not going to be worth it to a lot of people, i get that.

In a post iPhone/app world, all three console manufacturers have sort of dropped the ball in terms of future proofing for software, let's just hope that changes going forward.

This is pretty much what I was trying to say. Sony views these as rereleases rather than simply dumping the PS2 classics onto PS4. In their mind I'm sure it's justified. Clearly consumers disagree.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

I hope they give away one or two PS2 games for free tomorrow.

 

[Andrefpvs]

Au contraire:



Everything's remastered to conform with current PS4 standards, which is really impressive.
As an example: you want to make a GTA SA montage? You can spend $100 on a capture card, or $15 on the PS4 remaster to use the share button + sharefactory.


Refer to the above. These PS2-PS4 remasters offer more than sufficient value for their prices.

You're using the wrong term. These aren't remasters. They're PS2 games emulated at higher rendering resolutions, with the emulator having access to the game's memory addresses for trophy support, and allowing access the the PS4's native features (Share Play, Remote Play, etc).

Remastering would imply that the original code would be ported and recompiled as a PS4 game, and the assets reworked or redone.

They're native PS2 games being emulated.

 

[kiguel182]

I think the way Sony viewing it is that the ps4 version of San Andreas is not the same as he PS3 version. This isn't a case where they are just allowing you to play that old game on your new system. The Wii u upgrade thing was paying a couple of bucks to play the same rom dump already bought on Wii but booting directly from your new console and with your new controller, and if you didn't want to do that you had to boot into Wii mode since it basically had the old hardware built in. Sony doesn't seem to be positioning these as the same games and really is emphasizing the upgrades and changes. That's definitely not going to be worth it to a lot of people, i get that.

But those upgrades are minimal. It's an up-res (that emulators on PC already do) and Trophys. It isn't a different game, at all.

They don't offer an upgrade path (not that I think you should pay more but well, at least an upgrade path), they don't offer the option to just play the games as they were and that you already bought.

They are selling it as "PS2 games on the PS4" I agree. But I think most people just wanted an emulator like Microsoft has for the X1 and not this. This is not BC, it's just reselling old games with minimal work for a premium price.

But I agree with what you are saying, I just think this is the totally the wrong way to go about it.

 

[Marty Chinn]

I think it's really going to be just the PC port without much extra work.

I'm sure she was just talking about the upcoming PC to PS4 port, not the remake.

Ah, it slipped my mind that there were two versions coming out. If she's referring to the PC port, then ya, I probably won't disagree depending on the price. If it's the remake, then the comparison is apples and oranges which is what I was referring to.