Crash Station
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FF12 WAS a departure! MMO-lite trash. The last traditional FF was X.
Final Fantasy 7 Remake: Chunk 1 (CyberConnect2, UE4) Trailer, "PS4 Console Debut"
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FF12 WAS a departure! MMO-lite trash. The last traditional FF was X.
Is it? AFAIK, Skyrim sold a lot more than anything else that self-classifies as an "RPG".
People like to ignore that real-time combat has existed just as long as turn-based has and act like it's somehow more "modern" or an "advancement".
Personally I don't care about what they do to this game. I have no love for FFVII, but I can understand why people would be upset that the remake they've wanted for so long actually turns out to be a reimagining.
It's true that the popular mindset is that real-time>turn-based, and if they want the game to sell they should probably cave. But the idea that real-time is "modern" is absurd and ignoring the reality and history of video games.
So let's bury this:
Cloud has a smoother, rounder, softer face in AC and is actually more muscular than his original character art. The remake version is more true to the source. I know that some have argued but it seems intact from the opening as he still doesn't give a shit about the planet, he's here to do a job. Also a Sasuke personality collage, because I'm just not seeing the comparison.
Various Artists
Banned
Looks Godly. Cant wait to see Tifas design and gameplay. She was my favorite.
Toshio Saeki huh. Barret wore shades in AC.
Coffee Dog
Banned
Bruh, we've seen enough to know what the combat is like. If you don't like the combat then yeah you can say they fucked it up for you, lol
AdventureMike
Member
This is exactly it. The demand for this remake came from the fans of FFVII. You then present something that is a departure from FFVII in core gameplay values and just say "It's not for you, you don't matter anymore, at least you still have the original." (as many in this thread have said). That is going to make people upset.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Remember all the naysayers talking about how FFVII would never work or look good with modern aesthetics?
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Minecraft, The Elder Scrolls, Diablo.... all the top selling RPG franchises I can think of are real time!
It's pretty far from that, especially if you play on harder difficulty levels introduced in Final Mixes & latter games in the franchise. I mean, sure, the basic combos are made by mashing the button, but there's so much more to the battle system than just mashing the attack button. You can block, counter & dodge enemy attacks, there's magic, you have to constantly move & re-position yourself in relation to enemies, attacking can take timing if you want to be efficient, there's aerial combat & some platforming elements to fighting certain enemies etc. To reduce all of that to just "lol, crap button-smashing" means you seriously do not understand or appreciate action RPG combat design at all.
If you think KH is some kind of mindless action RPG crapfest, then what on EARTH do you see in FFVII's original combat? That's about as basic, turn-based a version of "buttonmashing" combat as JRPGs can be.
Wedge's design is fantastic. With actual body language this time, he is going to be even more lovable.
pogeymanz
Anyways, cautiously optimistic about the combat. I thought FFVXIII and to a lesser extent FFXV looked really fun, till I played Duscae. Hopefully this will be fun.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Yep, and it was awesome. Honestly it was cinematic gaming done right. Impressive set pieces and FMVs but you still had full control over the gameplay sequences, not being constantly interrupted by collapsing floors and being teleported to the next screen while you're exploring for loot and QTEs and all that shit. Hopefully they replicate that feeling.
Pokémon, I'm guessing.
Chezzymann
Member
So, for someone who has never played final fantasy 7, should i play the original first before getting this, or just play this instead?
SweetTeddie
Member
I loved the nostalgia of watching AVALANCHE attack the Mako reactor. I understand why they're not doing turn-based, since turn-based RPGs don't sell millions in the west.
BlazingDarkness
Member
If they pulled a Chris Redfield and gave him tree trunk arms then there would be a lot more outrage.Maybe people wanted something more like this.
Funny you say that since that game was a a weird throwback that dumped the ATB and dropped the openness of most of the previous games.
I was wrong and my punishment is a great looking Remake!
I was always gonna win Playtpus! No matter what!
Japanmanx3
Member
Nothing about the gameplay of XII was trash. Trippin fam.
Megidolaon
Member
Its linear but you could still explore and it wasnt like XIII where you could only go forward.
Im hyped just havent played an FF since 13 and aym cynical.
They are still saying that, but now we can ignore them because the game actually looks damn good.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Yep , people need to stop separating JRPG and Western ones by sales and certain other factors.
It's even more funny for a series like FF which sells more in the west .
Green Mamba
Member
FFVII isn't perfect at all, but that's where I see room to improve instead of tossing out everything.
By and large I don't appreciate action RPGs at all, and I find Kingdom Hearts to be among my least favorite.
I wouldn't totally rule it out.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
I hope the way we acquire Yuffie is just as quirky and fun.
DOOM OF THE LIVING is a must for me.
DOOM OF THE LIVING is a must for me.
Coffee Dog
Banned
How could anyone even answer this? This game is nowhere near out.
The original FF7 is widely considered to be a good game. We don't know if this will be a good game, considering how much they are planning on changing. If you think the original looks fun, play it! If you don't, and the changes they make seem appealing, wait.
Play the original first. It is an unforgettable experience.
Chezzymann
Member
I've just seen mixed opinions on how well the original has aged.
Yes, I seem to recall this. I was referring more to the design approach, as well as the look and feel.
half a moon
Banned
They're doing a remaster too. Wait for that maybe and skip the original
It would also fail to sell as well as its predecessor.
The ARPG crowd says its for the greater good because it will reach more people, but data shows that isn't true, so why keep repeating this?
robertsan21
Member
Omg I love this!
Looks very good, better than I thought it would. Hopefully everything is kept as the original like the world etc. I don't mind if they change the battle system to the best battle system in a FF game, namely FF12!!!
Looks very good, better than I thought it would. Hopefully everything is kept as the original like the world etc. I don't mind if they change the battle system to the best battle system in a FF game, namely FF12!!!
DangerMouse
Member
This looked ridiculously good. I didn't expect that kind of footage this early in my wildest dreams.
Coffee Dog
Banned
Well, look at screenshots.
The combat is ok, it's basically standard FF combat with few gimmicks, and it has random encounters. Unless you have some sort of aversion to old graphics or JRPG conventions, its well worth playing.BlazingDarkness
Member
Few of us are hating on turn based. It's just that we accept that the remake deviates from the original, and we are looking forward to everything else the game will offer instead of writing the whole thing off based on about 6 seconds of footage. Who is more rational here?
Admiral Woofington
Member
I'll take the look in AC over the 15 year old track runner look
That evil save point!
I hope they add a bunch of new ways that leads her into just stealing materia and leaving.
same, but aaa cloud
Coffee Dog
Banned
This music is years old, we don't know what the music will be like yet.
Chezzymann
Member
Yeah i guesss i'll check out the ps4 remasterWell, look at screenshots.
Deaf Spacker
Memb
Holy shit.