Final Fantasy 7 Remake: all parts will have the size of a full game
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This actually would be very nice
But I don't think they will really design three battle systems for it.. I think it would end up being unecessary expensive considering its still the same game
MagnaderAlpha
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As some have said, I see the first episode being made up of COMPLETELY Midgar, from the intro to the escape(Episode 1's final boss being Motorball).
One thing that leads me to think this is that, in that early part of FFVII, it's the only time you explore Midgar to a considerable degree. Once you leave, there's reasons why you don't return, and when you do, things that YOU'VE done and things Diamond WEAPON has done that has resulted in pieces of Midgar being utterly destroyed that prevents you from EVER returning to "certain areas" you explored in that early part of the game.
I see it like this:
Original FFVII had linear progression through all of Midgar:
(Simplistically)
Bombing Missions -> Meet Aerith -> Wall Market -> Support Tower -> Shinra HQ -> Highway
Now, imagine all the events in FFVII's linear path being pulled out and spaced considerably to where you can add MORE things between them. Add exploration to other Sectors, as well as meeting other NEW characters? What if that one soldier that gasps when he sees Cloud going crazy is actually someone who KNEW Cloud during their "training days" in the academy. Someone who also dreamed about being in SOLDIER, but didn't make the cut and KNEW him before from the barracks(and wondered what became of him after he went on that mission to Nibleheim 5 years ago)? What if this knowledge is either used for Shinra or he tries to make contact with Cloud at some time in the episode? I think they are going to chock the first episode up with Midgar's exploration. In a later episode, when you return to Midgar, you won't be exploring it to the degree that you do in the first episode, so while it's in "sorta" pristine state, might as well show everything they weren't able to in the original PS1 game.
One thing that leads me to think this is that, in that early part of FFVII, it's the only time you explore Midgar to a considerable degree. Once you leave, there's reasons why you don't return, and when you do, things that YOU'VE done and things Diamond WEAPON has done that has resulted in pieces of Midgar being utterly destroyed that prevents you from EVER returning to "certain areas" you explored in that early part of the game.
I see it like this:
Original FFVII had linear progression through all of Midgar:
(Simplistically)
Bombing Missions -> Meet Aerith -> Wall Market -> Support Tower -> Shinra HQ -> Highway
Now, imagine all the events in FFVII's linear path being pulled out and spaced considerably to where you can add MORE things between them. Add exploration to other Sectors, as well as meeting other NEW characters? What if that one soldier that gasps when he sees Cloud going crazy is actually someone who KNEW Cloud during their "training days" in the academy. Someone who also dreamed about being in SOLDIER, but didn't make the cut and KNEW him before from the barracks(and wondered what became of him after he went on that mission to Nibleheim 5 years ago)? What if this knowledge is either used for Shinra or he tries to make contact with Cloud at some time in the episode? I think they are going to chock the first episode up with Midgar's exploration. In a later episode, when you return to Midgar, you won't be exploring it to the degree that you do in the first episode, so while it's in "sorta" pristine state, might as well show everything they weren't able to in the original PS1 game.
Well 13 and 13-2's systems were close. It could be similar to that with minor tweaks in between.
Silver-tongued
Banned
I think you're exaggerating. Most of Final Fantasy 7's spells were just reskins of the same spells (Bolt1/2/3, Cure1/2/3). Final Fantasy 7 scale wasn't really ground-breaking even for its time. Sprawling open-world RPG's with a huge amount of options were already being made in the early 80's (hello, Ultima).
? Advent Children as a game would be horrible. The story was beyond terrible. It was so bad it retroactively made me hate FF7 a bit more. I'm not even a huge critic on stories in games either. I enjoyed Crisis Core. That's how bad Advent Children is.
There is a silver lining to everything.
Exactly. Furthermore, they have been saying for years - years! - when people were clamouring for a FF7 HD Remake last gen that doing a straight up remake with all the content from the original was way too big of a project to undergo, and that it would take too long. So for once I can actually understand their approach and support it.
Some people are heavily underestimating the amount of work that goes with a project of this scale in this generation.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
There's no way. They arent refering to these as games, they are specifically calling them "parts" of the same game.
There's no need to make 3 different battle systems especially when all the characters will have different weapons and play styles.
Think about how big of a difference there will be between Cloud, Barrett, Tifa, and Red XIII.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
The game is huge so it makes sense. I'd this means we will get the game fully reimagined then I can't complain because the work load will be huge.
What if they are worth such a price tag? Games that are planned as a trilogy and the story continues with each entry being $60 worth of content, this situation would be comparable.
Shadax the wizard
Member
I hope that all parts ship in a steel case with classic FF art, with the first release including a sleeve to contain them all. Similar to how they did with the Fullmetal Alchemist blu ray release. I don't care if they're 60 a pop as long as they don't cut too much content from the game. I'm mostly worried about the overworld map and original story. The PSX15 trailer seemed to be very faithful though.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
No, let me give you an example.
In FF7 its not a true world, its an overworld. you can run from Midgar to Kaim in 10-15 seconds. If they were to actually create an open world (which im pretty sure they are) that run would take 10-15 minutes.
"A full sized game," but probably not the full sized original FFVII. Like many, I believe that they're chopping the game into three parts and selling each at full price. We'll see how this plays out, but unless we get the full version of VII remade as a one shot $60 purchase I have a big old "fuck you" locked and loaded for ya, Square.
I would prefer the former to the latter. Who gives a shit about running from place to place when the destination is the only thing that matters? Hell, I wouldn't even care if they binned the overworld altogether and just made it a text list of selectable locations.
I would prefer the former to the latter. Who gives a shit about running from place to place when the destination is the only thing that matters? Hell, I wouldn't even care if they binned the overworld altogether and just made it a text list of selectable locations.
SparkleMotion
Member
"FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE will be told across a multi-part series, with each entry providing its own unique experience."
Own unique experience could very well mean disjointed games.
DXLelouch153
Banned
no 3 $60 games with more content added and everything fleshed out more
is the likely scenario
most people are just confusing SE with EA it seems
Pai Pai Master
Banned
So glad you're not making this game then
40 hours of FFVII PS1 does not directly translate to 40 hours of FFVII PS4. Unless you want the cutscenes to mimick the pacing of the original game in which case every dialogue scene is just a bunch of characters standing in a circle spouting off a sentence or two in rapid succession, and you can only follow the exact same paths exploring the various cities.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Midgar by itself could be several different games. It's huge.
FF7 was a pretty massive game at the time, especially at the level of fidelity the game had. Square also seemed to want to put in as many different variety of locales as possible.
FF7 was a pretty massive game at the time, especially at the level of fidelity the game had. Square also seemed to want to put in as many different variety of locales as possible.
Japanmanx3
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DarkLordMalik
Member
Going by the statement calling it "Size of a full game" I am sure that we are getting nothing less than $59.99 as the price for it.
Those who expect $19.99 or $39.99 are in for some serious disappointment.
Those who expect $19.99 or $39.99 are in for some serious disappointment.
So glad you're not making this game then
But don't forget who actually is making this game.
Problem with scale is that everyone just assume it has to be full 3D, 3rd person view with movable cameras, cut-scenes, voice acting and face animations while the actual game was nothing like that.
Zones had a fixed camera angle, it's seen from above so there is no facial expressions that can be seen in detail from up close and no voice acting. Keep those things and suddenly I can't imagine remaking all the models/zones in higher resolution is not such a huge undertaking after all.
If we instead change our expectations and think more like Shadowrun Returns in terms of graphics (what's closer to the original) then I can't imagine it would be very hard to fit all those zones on a blue-ray risk. They probably even have space over to polish up the combat system after they are done as well.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
Everyone who plays open world games.
Seven Force
Banned
It's because it'd be too expensive and time consuming to do without cutting corners, something they didn't want to because it wouldn't do the game justice. (And because they'd be absolutely crucified for it.)
This way, they give every part of the game the attention it deserves while having a reasonable development schedule that ensures they won't find themselves in a situation where they're working on the game far longer than anticipated, like VersusXIII.
DXLelouch153
Banned
someones never heard the saying its the journey not the destination
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
People saying this are in la la land.
Napalm_Frank
Member
This would be like, the worst and the best thing ever.
It's more like you set out on a journey and then midway through you get asked to pay to continue your journey. Except we have a option, albeit less pretty option, to do the full journey for cheap.
Deckard Chapel
Banned
Any release date information revealed so far? I really detest waiting and Square Enix is the worst when it comes to long waits and delays...
LegendofLex
Member
The overall game objective, tone, and barriers to game progress change considerably from the Midgar chapters to the midgame chapters (ending with Aerith's death) to the endgame chapters.
Hell no, that would be a disaster and they know it.
It's gonna be annual releases, probably each Holiday of 2017/18/19.
Not only am I fine with Genesis possibly appearing -- I hope he does. And I hope he has a new extended reading of Loveless to irritate all of you
I like Genesis.
Someone arrest this mad man
Remastering BGII in keeping all it's content, but improving upon all elements, with story moments fully directed and animated. Or even adding in content. It simply couldn't be scaled up and keep it's development costs down around that of a single entry.
It would instead be done like PoE where it was just a prettier modernized version of the exact same game. Square wants to do so much more. So I don't get why people keep making these comparisons of games whose massive amount of content doesn't scale well.
Just look at how long Uncharted games are. 8-10 hours, quicker if you rush or know the levels. They can't make 30 hour long games let alone a 60-100 hour long game.
Im worried about Midgar. I expected a Ground Zeroes/Phantom Pain situation but this smells more like a Hobbit situation... Watch them stretch the Midgar section for a full game.
I expect the overworld to only come in the second game. Third game and final game to start with
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I expect the overworld to only come in the second game. Third game and final game to start with
Sephiroth invoking Meteor
badcrumble
Member
Great if true, but I still want my save to carry over (full stats/materia/equipment/inventory, basically everything) and for all of the entries to feel like a single cohesive game I can play straight through disc-to-disc once they're all released. With a world map. And the ability to backtrack to any area from 'previous games.'
Pai Pai Master
Banned
If that is how you feel about FFVII Remake then by all means enjoy the original game. It's still a great one.
I personally want a full remake, not something where segments like Wutai and Gold Saucer get cut so they can streamline the story and fit the entire FFVII experience into a 40 hour game. Because with modern gameplay and cutscenes FFVII would not be remotely close to that.
Or you can use logic and assume he is talking in terms of a Final Fantasy game. Each part of FFVII-R will be akin to a full size Final Fantasy.
Shadax the wizard
Member
Dev times aren't what they used to be, converting the same gameworld at the same scale in HD is no easy task. I'd gladly take a single release with 3 blu rays, but we'd be waiting for a long time for that to hit. Relasing in chunks gets it to us sooner. Reaching the end of part 1 and waiting for the next is gonna suck though.