A House Divided: The New Yorker's exposé on the war within the Republican party

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Cerium

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http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/12/14/a-house-divided

This week, as Congress raced to meet a December 11th deadline to pass the annual legislation that funds the government, the members of the Freedom Caucus had new demands: they wanted to cut funding for Planned Parenthood and restrict Syrian refugees from entering the United States, policies that, if attached to the spending bills, could face a veto from Obama and, potentially, lead to another government shutdown.

To the general public, these fights have played out as a battle between President Obama and Republicans in Congress. But the more critical divide is within the Republican Party, as House Speaker John Boehner discovered. Boehner, who is from Ohio, was elected to Congress in 1990 and rose to the Speakership in 2010. His tenure was marked by an increasingly futile effort to control a group of conservatives that Devin Nunes, a Republican from California and an ally of Boehner’s, once described as “lemmings with suicide vests.” In 2013, to the bafflement of some colleagues, Boehner supported the shutdown, in the hope that the public backlash would expose the group as hopelessly radical. It didn’t work. The group continued to defy Boehner. He tried to regain control as Speaker by marginalizing its members, and they decided that he must be forced out.
Boehner’s troubles and the rise of the Freedom Caucus are the product of resentments and expectations that the G.O.P. leadership has struggled for years to either address or dismiss. In 2009 and 2010, Democrats, who then controlled both the House and the Senate, pushed through the most aggressive domestic agenda since the Great Society. In response, during the 2010 midterm elections Republicans promised to overturn Obama’s entire agenda—the Affordable Care Act, financial regulation, stimulus spending, climate-change regulations—and dramatically cut government. Just before the election, the three House Republican leaders, Boehner, Eric Cantor, and Kevin McCarthy, promoted a manifesto, called “A Pledge to America,” that, among other things, promised to cut a hundred billion dollars from the budget and return spending to pre-Obama levels. The Republicans won sixty-three seats, taking control of the House, and expanded their ranks in the Senate. In November, 2010, House Republicans unanimously elected Boehner Speaker.

Jeff Duncan, a husky forty-nine-year-old former real-estate executive and auctioneer from South Carolina who was first elected in 2010, recently reread the “Pledge.” Sitting in his office in early November, he handed me a marked-up copy and shook his head. “We came up short in so many ways,” he said.
Nunes, who is the chairman of the House Committee on Intelligence, told me that the biggest change he’s seen since he arrived in Congress, in 2002, is the rise of online media outlets and for-profit groups that spread what he views as bad, sometimes false information, which House members then feel obliged to address. The change has transformed Nunes from one of the most conservative members of Congress to one of the biggest critics of the Freedom Caucus and its tactics.

“I used to spend ninety per cent of my constituent response time on people who call, e-mail, or send a letter, such as, ‘I really like this bill, H.R. 123,’ and they really believe in it because they heard about it through one of the groups that they belong to, but their view was based on actual legislation,” Nunes said. “Ten per cent were about ‘Chemtrails from airplanes are poisoning me’ to every other conspiracy theory that’s out there. And that has essentially flipped on its head.” The overwhelming majority of his constituent mail is now about the far-out ideas, and only a small portion is “based on something that is mostly true.” He added, “It’s dramatically changed politics and politicians, and what they’re doing.”

Nunes first heard about the shutdown strategy in 2013 from a caller on a talk-radio show back home in the late summer. “I said, ‘I don’t know where you’re hearing this from, but it doesn’t work,’ ” he told me. Then the idea went viral. “By the time we got back here in September, you had over half the members of our caucus who really believed we could shut the government down and ultimately Obama would repeal Obamacare.”
A week into the sixteen-day government shutdown of October, 2013, he was having dinner with Boehner and a few other members. Republicans were universally blamed for the shutdown; cable news was filled with images of shuttered parks and federal landmarks, and the White House, as Cole, Nunes, and others had predicted, refused any demands to negotiate.

“Why in the world are we letting the guys that wouldn’t vote for you effectively dictate strategy for the conference?” Cole asked Boehner. (Boehner declined to comment for this story.)

According to Cole, Boehner responded, “I’ve tried to teach them over and over and over again that you’ve got to be united, and there’s a limit to what we can do, but this is a fight they wanted. Let them have the fight. Then maybe they’ll learn their lesson.”
On Thursday, after the Pope had come and gone in Washington, an event that Boehner, who is Catholic, later described, tearfully, as the highlight of his career, Boehner called Mulvaney, Labrador, and several other Freedom Caucus members to his office. Meadows had filed the motion in a manner such that, at any point, it could be called to the floor—as “a privileged motion”—for a vote. Boehner asked Labrador and the others if they were really going to go forward with the motion to vacate. “Is there any way at all I can get you guys not to vote for this?’’ Boehner asked.

“Mr. Speaker, you know that we didn’t want this motion to be filed,” Labrador said. “But if somebody goes to the floor and does the privileged motion, I think you’re in a worse position today than you were a few months ago.” Labrador told Boehner that Republicans could not win the Presidency if Boehner remained as Speaker, because conservatives wouldn’t be energized.

“You have two choices, Mr. Speaker,” Labrador told Boehner. “Either you change the way you’re running this place, which you have been unwilling to do, or you step down.”

The next morning, Boehner announced that he would retire.
“It is clear to me now that many of the members of this conference want a change,” he told his colleagues at a private meeting, “and want new leadership to guide through the rough shores ahead.”
Ryan represents a bridge between Boehner’s generation and the members elected since 2010, and some in the older guard told me they don’t know if Ryan can control Labrador’s faction any better than Boehner could. “The question remains: can we change the underlying political dynamic that brought us to this point?” Charlie Dent, the head of the Tuesday Group, a caucus of fifty-six center-right Republicans, told me. He said that the Republican conference was divided into three groups: seventy to a hundred governing conservatives, who always voted for the imperfect legislation that kept the government running; seventy to eighty “hope yes, vote no” Republicans, who voted against those bills but secretly hoped they would pass; and the forty to sixty members of the rejectionist wing, dominated by the Freedom Caucus, who voted against everything and considered government shutdowns a routine part of negotiating with Obama. “Paul Ryan’s got his work cut out for him to expand the governing wing of the Republican Party,” Dent said. “There shouldn’t be too much accommodation or appeasement of those who are part of the rejectionist wing.”
There is much much more at the link. Definitely worth reading the whole thing.
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
Yeah I read this whole article, really good piece. I've never had a better understanding of some of the specific dynamics and players within the house GOP
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
By my count that's 80-100 Republicans who believe government should exist and 140 who believe it should not. It would literally be mathematically easier for the Governing Republicans to vote for Pelosi than purge the nihilists.
 

bionic77

Member
By my count that's 80-100 Republicans who believe government should exist and 140 who believe it should not. It would literally be mathematically easier for the Governing Republicans to vote for Pelosi than purge the nihilists.
I don't get it.

The scary black Muslim is leaving in another year. Shouldn't this be the time they return to the middle?
 

geestack

Member
sounds like even the freedom caucus thinks ted cruz is a frontrunning asshole:

Once again, Ted Cruz inserted himself into the fight, backing the Freedom Caucus’s tactics but also earning a private rebuke. “You’ve talked to us about the Freedom Caucus more than Ted Cruz has talked to us about the Freedom Caucus,” Labrador told me when I mentioned the view among Democrats that “Speaker Cruz” controlled Labrador and his allies.

lmfao
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I don't get it.

The scary black Muslim is leaving in another year. Shouldn't this be the time they return to the middle?

That brings up an interesting point, Hillary is going to push those irrationality buttons in a similar fashion that Obama did. She may be the best candidate to help reboot the republican party faster than another candidate.
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
If you count the "hope yes, vote no" as people who actually (secretly) hope for the government to exist, it's more like 140-180 who want a government, and 40-60 who don't.

It turns out that wishes aren't fishes, so voting no and being sad about it is the same thing as just voting no
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
Boehner and co seem to have forgotten that they created this monster in the first place. They're like Victor Frankesntein scratching his head at how his lab is all fucked up and the villagers are angry.
 

E the Shaggy

Junior Member
This "taking the government hostage by threatening a shutdown every couple months so the GOP gets its way" has GOT to fucking stop already.
 

Wilsongt

Member
They might as well let the party eat itself from the inside out if they even expect to have a someone coherent party anytime soon.
 
I don't get it.

The scary black Muslim is leaving in another year. Shouldn't this be the time they return to the middle?
Much of the article feature a right wing narrative that Obama is such a unique case of an unlawful president/master negotiator that republicans have been forced to use extreme tactics. But when Hillary wins they're going to do the exact same stuff. Benghazi seems like the likely means of casting her as illegitimate or untrustworthy, so we'll get even more obstruction.

I could see Hillary wanting to do deals with Ryan and McConnell. She'll have to since all her liberal promises will be impossible to keep with republicans controlling congress. And I'd expect these same nihilists to revolt against any deal making. Granted sometimes it's not a bad thing - tea party extremists prevented Obama from making a few bad deals.
 

water_wendi

Water is not wet!
They've gone to the deep end. There's no turning back for the GOP.

Its not just the GOP theres no turning back for but the Republic itself. When the GOP implodes these people are still going to be here. They arent just going to disappear.
 

Miletius

Member
Inserted in the subtext of the article is the firm, perhaps even sincere, belief that Obama's agenda is radical and transformative. This, to me, seems like a distortion of reality. Until the Freedom Caucus and it's supporters grasp that this is not actually true then there will never be any compromise with them. How can you compromise with somebody who doesn't really understand reality? You're just giving into their imagination.
 

VRMN

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...what?!

Okay. Stimulus (which had a lot of things on infrastructure and green energy), Affordable Care Act, Dodd-Frank, Hate Crimes Prevention Act, CFPB, backed efforts to legalize same-sex marriage and end LGBT discrimination in the Federal government...I can keep going.

You can say these were imperfect pieces of legislation. They were, but the 'since' is important. Since the Great Society (Lyndon Johnson), tell me who advanced progressive causes more in office. (Clinton sure as hell didn't.)
 
Okay. Stimulus (which had a lot of things on infrastructure and green energy), Affordable Care Act, Dodd-Frank, Hate Crimes Prevention Act, CFPB, backed efforts to legalize same-sex marriage and end LGBT discrimination in the Federal government...I can keep going.

You can say these were imperfect pieces of legislation. They were, but the 'since' is important. Since the Great Society (Lyndon Johnson), tell me who advanced progressive causes more in office. (Clinton sure as hell didn't.)

I'd just note the article didn't say progressive, it said aggressive. Point being those two years were the most productive legislative period since LBJ. Say what you want about Obama but it would be hard to deny he has more domestic legislative "accomplishments" than any modern president, and most older ones outside of LBJ.

That two year period is what sparked the tea party.
 
Okay. Stimulus (which had a lot of things on infrastructure and green energy), Affordable Care Act, Dodd-Frank, Hate Crimes Prevention Act, CFPB, backed efforts to legalize same-sex marriage and end LGBT discrimination in the Federal government...I can keep going.

You can say these were imperfect pieces of legislation. They were, but the 'since' is important. Since the Great Society (Lyndon Johnson), tell me who advanced progressive causes more in office. (Clinton sure as hell didn't.)

I guess that is true, but that is sort of misleading as we have had nothing but Republicans in the White House since the 80s outside of "third way" Clinton.

That two year period is what sparked the tea party

I wouldn't be surprised if they still popped up. It was only a matter of time before the right of this country cracked under its own weight.
 

leroidys

Member
Boehner and co seem to have forgotten that they created this monster in the first place. They're like Victor Frankesntein scratching his head at how his lab is all fucked up and the villagers are angry.
lol, nice analogy.

EDIT:
Uhhh, why'd Stinkles get the hammer? Not finding anything objectionable in his post history.
 

Dryk

Member
If you count the "hope yes, vote no" as people who actually (secretly) hope for the government to exist, it's more like 140-180 who want a government, and 40-60 who don't.
You shouldn't. People who are willing to let their constituents talk them into shit like that against their better judgement so that they can keep their jobs are no better than the ones that actually believe it.
 

dabig2

Member
You shouldn't. People who are willing to let their constituents talk them into shit like that against their better judgement so that they can keep their jobs are no better than the ones that actually believe it.

I find those guys to be worse. At least the true believers are just truly ignorant. The ones just using it to their advantage are legit sociopaths at worst and spineless, opportunist cowards not worth the time or day at best.
 

DOWN

Banned
This is awesome to read about. This actually tingles a bit in the way I thought only House of Cards fantasies could do with politics. They are quite the faction.
 

foxtrot3d

Banned
This is awesome to read about. This actually tingles a bit in the way I thought only House of Cards fantasies could do with politics. They are quite the faction.

Quit that trash and watch The West Wing, I like HoC but it is definitely nowhere near "realistic" in its portrayal of American politics. It's actually funny how real life mirrored the rise of an extremist conservative faction within the Republican party, unwilling to compromise and trying to thumb their nose at the President.

Anyway, great article and just really goes to show you how lost the Republican party is.
 

War Peaceman

You're a big guy.
This is awesome to read about. This actually tingles a bit in the way I thought only House of Cards fantasies could do with politics. They are quite the faction.

The Thick Of It and Veep are pretty realistic representations of politics from what I have heard.

Great article by the way
 

Jackpot

Banned
"'I’ve given money and yet nothing is happening.’ And this was from a country-club Republican, not a Tea Party activist. That had a real impact."

GOP's take on government in a nutshell.
 
Those "hope yes, vote nos" are playing a version of the prisoner's dilemma, trying to get the maximum benefit if enough of their colleagues see sense and vote for the bill.
 
I don't get this. I was going to say as a member of UKGAF, but then I look at the Labor party here and I realise this is a similar story playing out here and I don't get it that either.

Party division is becoming a real problem, something that could be sorted out if you disbanded the 2 party system in the US and the three party system in the UK. (I am aware that it's not really a three party system in the UK, but aside from the the Big 3, you don't have much choice.) Put a cap on the amount of members in any party. Split them. Seems like the easiest solutions. Someone more informed please tell me reasons as to why this is bad idea?
 
I don't get this. I was going to say as a member of UKGAF, but then I look at the Labor party here and I realise this is a similar story playing out here and I don't get it that either.

Party division is becoming a real problem, something that could be sorted out if you disbanded the 2 party system in the US and the three party system in the UK. (I am aware that it's not really a three party system in the UK, but aside from the the Big 3, you don't have much choice.) Put a cap on the amount of members in any party. Split them. Seems like the easiest solutions. Someone more informed please tell me reasons as to why this is bad idea?

First Past the Post already tends countries towards two party systems but that is nothing compared to the electoral college and primary/caucus system used in American presidential elections. Seriously just look it up. While more parties could stand for national non-presedential elections, in practice most would vote for the same party as they voted for president. While that system is still in place there can not permenantly be 3 major parties in the US General Election.

And that will not change because it is constitutional and an amendment to the constitution requires a supermajority in both houses of the national American Parliament.
 

Lubricus

Member
Read some tea party conservative websites, the adjectives and adverbs applied to their opponents are frightening.
This was posted on Red State yesterday:
Many environmentalists are watermelons. Green on the outside, inside they are as red as any communist ever was. It is not a coincidence that the environmental movement picked up strength after the Soviet Union collapsed. The propagandists for communism against capitalism had to go somewhere. They went to the environmental movement.

With demands for state subsidy, an agenda hostile to western powers, and a deep antipathy toward free markets and capitalism, the two groups merged. Like Stalinists before them, environmental elite wish to purge society of capitalists, anyone who challenges them, and free market ideas. Like communists before them, they wrap themselves in a moral banner for war — against rising sea levels, against drought, against all sorts of things no right thinking person could be against.

http://www.redstate.com/2015/12/13/the-watermelon-in-the-room-the-paris-climate-accords-communist-like-approach-to-weather/

Really, environmentalists are Stalinists?
 
On the morning of July 28th, Meadows’s fifty-sixth birthday, he got a voice mail from his son, Blake, encouraging him to go forward with the anti-Boehner plot. Blake read some lines from a famous Teddy Roosevelt speech. “It is not the critic who counts,” Roosevelt said. “The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood,” and who, “at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly.” Listening to the message brought tears to Meadows’s eyes. “I still keep it on my phone,” he told me.

It infuriates me when any modern-day Republican invokes Teddy Roosevelt.

T.R. was a powerful voice in favor of expanding government for the public good - a man born of privilege who was nevertheless committed to helping those less fortunate than him. Modern-day Republicans think the federal government is inherently evil and look to dismantle it at every opportunity.
 

LosDaddie

Banned
This is what living on the Fox News bubble has done to people. It makes them believe everything GOP politicians tell them on the campaign trail.


Every election is now the Democrats vs Republicans vs the Alex Jones/Breitbart Party.

There's no difference between the GOP and the Tea Party. They are one in the same.
 
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