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[Vex_]

16? The android he had never met before except that one moment?

This is why I want him dead. His character makes no sense. He is the new yamcha. Heck, he even looks like him.

I used to wonder why chi chi was just sort of "alright" with goku running off like he did all the time. I mean, she got "mad" at him, but in the end she just "put up with it".

And yamcha? Yamcha just sort of stopped caring about his girl bulma when vegeta (of all people) started banging her?? Riiiiiight.

Something was/is going on between chi chi and yamcha that goku doesn't know about.

Even now. When you think about it..... Where IS yamcha? Huh? And chi chi?



.....wait. What were we talking about again?

 

[Jaeger]

Let's not rush this conclusion.

Gohan still has one or two years to go before we reach the point where he died in the android timeline.

He can still become weaker.

Omg.

 

[Jinjo]

If there's one thing Gohan is teaching kids nowadays it is that being a nerd will get you beat up lol.

 

[KidA Seven]

16? The android he had never met before except that one moment?

lol fuck gohan

 

[Ultra Numb]

Gohan is on the receiving end of one of the most brutal beat-downs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2iXWHiy1dY

The way he just lays there with a broken neck as his body twitches shook me as a kid.

 

[Slaythe]

I'm dreaming of a Gohan and android 17 team up movie.

Since they're the only two fighters left on earth.

Also for those interested, the FnF arc ends in january, and follows directly with Tournament arc.

 

[CryptiK]

There is no redemption for Gohan in sight, even I have given up.

 

[DragonSworne]

So what observable evidence do we have that Gohan is actually smart?

For all we know he could be a professor at a third rate online college.

 

[CryptiK]

So what observable evidence do we have that Gohan is actually smart?

For all we know he could be a professor at a third rate online college.

Same could be said about Whis being the strongest fighter in the Universe. There will never be a solid answer its all implied

 

[Ultra Numb]

So what observable evidence do we have that Gohan is actually smart?

For all we know he could be a professor at a third rate online college.

True that. He's obviously smart but he may not be a genius of the century like Bulma is.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

I dunno. I always liked that it was 16, an android, made Gohan rampage than his very close friends and family.

 

[Kagari]

So what observable evidence do we have that Gohan is actually smart?

For all we know he could be a professor at a third rate online college.

Difficult Books™.

I dunno. I always liked that it was 16, an android, made Gohan rampage than his very close friends and family.

Helps that 16 himself cared more about the world/nature. Dude legit made me sad over his death. ;-;

 

[Slaythe]

Same could be said about Whis being the strongest fighter in the Universe. There will never be a solid answer its all implied

Vegeta and Goku can't land a fist on him and Whis one shot KO Beerus.

That's... the solid answer.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Helps that 16 himself cared more about the world/nature. Dude legit made me sad over his death. ;-;

"Should we toss him into our wish to resurrect the hot one?"
"Ehh...Might make King Kai wonder why he's still dead".

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Whatever power Vegeta gains, he is canonically weaker than Goku at the end of DBZ.

 

[CryptiK]

Vegeta and Goku can't land a fist on him and Whis one shot KO Beerus.

That's... the solid answer.

Yeah but how do we know there isn't someone stronger? There apparently was someone stronger than Goku the entire time, whats to say there isn't someone stronger than Whis. Im just trying to point out how silly the Gohan question is.

 

[ElFly]

Yeah but how do we know there isn't someone stronger? There apparently was someone stronger than Goku the entire time, whats to say there isn't someone stronger than Whis. There isn't.

Vados is stronger than Whis.

 

[Turin]

I dunno. I always liked that it was 16, an android, made Gohan rampage than his very close friends and family.

I've always liked 16. His last moment was great.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

So what observable evidence do we have that Gohan is actually smart?

For all we know he could be a professor at a third rate online college.

Hell we have more evidence of his dad being smart then we do of gohan

 

[Skii]

I'm dreaming of a Gohan and android 17 team up movie.

Since they're the only two fighters left on earth.

Also for those interested, the FnF arc ends in january, and follows directly with Tournament arc.

Wait... Android 17 is still alive? What?!

 

[VanquishUK]

Wait... Android 17 is still alive? What?!

Yeah you see him in the Buu saga give over his energy to Goku's spirit bomb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xOna8uOZqg

 

[CryptiK]

Vados is stronger than Whis.

We dont know that. Vados has just said that, and Whis said it was no longer true. Different Universe btw

 

[Skii]

Yeah you see him in the Buu saga give over his energy to Goku's spirit bomb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xOna8uOZqg

That doesn't make sense. Cell absorbed him. This has to be filler, right?

 

[Pankratous]

That doesn't make sense. Cell absorbed him. This has to be filler, right?

Revived with Dragon Balls.

 

[Skii]

Revived with Dragon Balls.

So Android 16 must've come back as well? Why the hell weren't those two more involved with the Buu saga? Toriyama man, you're killing me.

 

[Kagari]

So Android 16 must've come back as well? Why the hell weren't those two more involved with the Buu saga? Toriyama man, you're killing me.

16 was a machine so I guess he was exempted somehow? 17 and 18 are part human. idk.

 

[Newt]

So Android 16 must've come back as well? Why the hell weren't those two more involved with the Buu saga? Toriyama man, you're killing me.

Android 16 is a robot, so I doubt he was revived.

 

[Skii]

16 was a machine so I guess he was exempted somehow? 17 and 18 are part human. idk.

Android 16 is a robot, so I doubt he was revived.

Quick bit of research indicates that Android 8 is seen giving energy for the spirit bomb Goku uses to defeat Kid Buu. Apparently he is completely synthetic like Android 16 and was wished back by the Dragon Balls (with the rest of the world).

Man, even then, you'd think that Android 18 would want to see her twin brother.

 

[Kagari]

Quick bit of research indicates that Android 8 is seen giving energy for the spirit bomb Goku uses to defeat Kid Buu. Apparently he is completely synthetic like Android 16 and was wished back by the Dragon Balls (with the rest of the world).

Man, even then, you'd think that Android 18 would want to see her twin brother.

It can't be stated enough how much Dragon Ball has a great, underused cast of characters.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Toriyama: forgets launch, remembers android 8

 

[TheRealTalker]

Whatever power Vegeta gains, he is canonically weaker than Goku at the end of DBZ.

tons of people relying on the end of DBZ for statements


I don't think that ending is even logical now

 

[Freeza Under The Shower]

So Android 16 must've come back as well? Why the hell weren't those two more involved with the Buu saga? Toriyama man, you're killing me.

Well, they did say "people" to the dragon. Suck it, 16. Died saving the planet, got shit in return for it. His body was completely destroyed though. Maybe that counts as 'natural causes' or something. That dragon is so full of shit. Can make you immortal, but can't bring you back to life if you die of natural causes.


Returning to the actual show (did the manga peeps get a different thread? seems awfully specific to the anime all of a sudden), Vegeta killing Ginyu right away was weird (and removes the possibility of frog gags for future use), since the English dub of the first gods movie made a point about him not killing anybody for a long while. Felt like they had their little fun but had to return quickly to the same plot as the RoF movie by just having Freeza take care of the rest. Also, that Gohan daddy-long-legs artwork, wtf was that supposed to be? I wish they had kept the proportions as AT would draw them, that whole "everybody is tall now!" looks awful in other shows as well.

 

[Skii]

It can't be stated enough how much Dragon Ball has a great, underused cast of characters.

I've never watched Dragon Ball (I know lol) but I've always heard complaints about Toriyama forgetting Launch and other characters. But forgetting Android 17 is basically unforgivable. So much potential for him and 18 to mess around during filler or for him to intimidate Krillin.

Well, they did say "people" to the dragon. Suck it, 16. Died saving the planet, got shit in return for it. His body was completely destroyed though. Maybe that counts as 'natural causes' or something. That dragon is so full of shit. Can make you immortal, but can't bring you back to life if you die of natural causes.


Returning to the actual show (did the manga peeps get a different thread? seems awfully specific to the anime all of a sudden), Vegeta killing Ginyu right away was weird (and removes the possibility of frog gags for future use), since the English dub of the first gods movie made a point about him not killing anybody for a long while. Felt like they had their little fun but had to return quickly to the same plot as the RoF movie by just having Freeza take care of the rest. Also, that Gohan daddy-long-legs artwork, wtf was that supposed to be? I wish they had kept the proportions as AT would draw them, that whole "everybody is tall now!" looks awful in other shows as well.

It's all just a load of nonsense. It's clear that Toriyama is just making up the dragon ball's limitations as he goes along.

I actually really liked Vegeta disposing of Ginyu that quickly. Tagoma's body seemed to be at a similar level to Frieza final form back on Namek. And that took SSJ Goku to defeat. So for Vegeta to destroy him without even turning SSJ just adds a nice touch.

 

[Slaythe]

Well I can answer all those loopholes.

Toriyama gave information regarding 17 and 18 not long ago.

- Android 17 is the only android with unlimited energy, Android 18 was made weaker because 17's power was believed to be the cause of his insubordination

- Android 17 and 18 were human twins before being kidnapped by Gero, that enhanced them with cybernetics

- They are mostly humans and organic, the point was to allow Cell to absorb them (17 wonders why Gero made them since he could make 16 already without humans)

- Android 18's name is Lazuli, Android 17's name is Lapis

- Android 17 after being resurrected (he was one of Cell's victims), found himself a job as forest ranger, and has a wife, he has adopted her two children

- Android 16's model was based off the son of Dr Gero, who was a soldier for the Red Ribbon army that died in combat.

- Android 17 has visited 18 and met his daughter, a few times, during the various time skips


As for why he didn't help in the Buu saga, remember he doesn't know how to feel ki. So he couldn't have done anything and then the earth blew up.

As to why Android 8 was restored and not 16, easy, when they restored earth after it was destroyed, every material thing was restored too (cars, buildings...), that includes robots. But it only worked for when the earth was destroyed, not 5 years in the past.

16 had no soul, unlike 17 and 18 so he wasn't brought back like 17 when they wished that the people Cell killed gets revived.

 

[Skii]

Well I can answer all those loopholes.

Toriyama gave information regarding 17 and 18 not long ago.

- Android 17 is the only android with unlimited energy, Android 18 was made weaker because 17's power was believed to be the cause of his insubordination

- Android 17 and 18 were human twins before being kidnapped by Gero, that enhanced them with cybernetics

- They are mostly humans and organic, the point was to allow Cell to absorb them (17 wonders why Gero made them since he could make 16 already without humans)

- Android 18's name is Lazuli, Android 17's name is Lapis

- Android 17 after being resurrected (he was one of Cell's victims), found himself a job as forest ranger, and has a wife, he has adopted her two children

- Android 16's model was based off the son of Dr Gero, who was a soldier for the Red Ribbon army that died in combat.

- Android 17 has visited 18 and met his daughter, a few times, during the various time skips


As for why he didn't help in the Buu saga, remember he doesn't know how to feel ki. So he couldn't have done anything and then the earth blew up.

As to why Android 8 was restored and not 16, easy, when they restored earth after it was destroyed, every material thing was restored too (cars, buildings...), that includes robots. But it only worked for when the earth was destroyed, not 5 years in the past.

16 had no soul, unlike 17 and 18 so he wasn't brought back like 17 when they wished that the people Cell killed gets revived.

So Android 16 could've been revived all this time but Toriyama forgot. Nice.

So Android 17 has unlimited energy which makes him a lot more interesting but isn't part of the gang at all. Nice again.

The ki thing makes no sense. Anyone could've found him and told him about it. If him and 18 are in contact, she would've told him surely? Let's be real, Toriyama probably forgot about him until it was too late.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Let's be real; no one has any incentive to want to bring 16 back

 

[Third Strike]

So Android 16 could've been revived all this time but Toriyama forgot. Nice.

So Android 17 has unlimited energy which makes him a lot more interesting but isn't part of the gang at all. Nice again.

The ki thing makes no sense. Anyone could've found him and told him about it. If him and 18 are in contact, she would've told him surely? Let's be real, Toriyama probably forgot about him until it was too late.

In reference to Buu? I don't think she really had the opportunity. If I recall correctly, her and the others immediately went to Dende's lookout after Buu was released, and she likely died soon after. Plus, Goku, Goten, and Trucks were the only ones left that could potentially beat Buu. Android 17 would have been of no good.

 

[NeonZ]

Returning to the actual show (did the manga peeps get a different thread? seems awfully specific to the anime all of a sudden), Vegeta killing Ginyu right away was weird (and removes the possibility of frog gags for future use), since the English dub of the first gods movie made a point about him not killing anybody for a long while. Felt like they had their little fun but had to return quickly to the same plot as the RoF movie by just having Freeza take care of the rest. Also, that Gohan daddy-long-legs artwork, wtf was that supposed to be? I wish they had kept the proportions as AT would draw them, that whole "everybody is tall now!" looks awful in other shows as well.

That Gohan scene apparently was drawn by an animator that mostly works in One Piece.

 

[Slaythe]

So Android 16 could've been revived all this time but Toriyama forgot. Nice.

So Android 17 has unlimited energy which makes him a lot more interesting but isn't part of the gang at all. Nice again.

The ki thing makes no sense. Anyone could've found him and told him about it. If him and 18 are in contact, she would've told him surely? Let's be real, Toriyama probably forgot about him until it was too late.

- Well Android 16 had no soul so nobody really cared.

- The unlimited energy of 17 was actually not a recent info, it was released by toriyama in one of the chapters interlude pages, it's what inspired Super 17 GT plotline, so I'm assuming they don't use 17 again because GT already did :/ sucks

- It makes perfect sense, don't you remember them having to "hunt down Goku for fun !", they had to go ask around Kamehouse. He couldn't feel Piccolo's ki, nor Cell's. 17 had no way to know about Buu until he attacked all humanity. And while he survived that (like Tien did), he still couldn't feel where the action was taking place. Then earth blowed up, and he was brought back to life, then he helped Goku when he heard his voice. Now the thing that makes no sense is that he technically never met Goku. But I guess he did say he had files on Vegeta in his brain, so possibly Goku too.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Actually I'm pretty sure Android 8 is part-human. Unlike 16.

It would be interesting if they try to revive 16 and Shenron mistakenly revives the son of Dr Gero's instead.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

The android twins have the most random name pun ever. "Lapis Lazuli"? What do they have to do with stones?

 

[VanquishUK]

The android twins have the most random name pun ever. "Lapis Lazuli"? What do they have to do with stones?

Because they're beautiful but have hearts of stone? Don't know.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

The android twins have the most random name pun ever. "Lapis Lazuli"? What do they have to do with stones?

How is it more random than Freezer and Trunks?

 

[Slaythe]

Shenron rebuilt cars and buildings, and TVs, might as well recreate robots.

He had no reason to recreate a robot that exploded 6 years ago, when asked to reconstruct earth as it was 24 hours ago ..

It's not specified if 8 is part human or not. It's implied that not.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

It's not specified if 8 is part human or not. It's implied that not.

I just checked the episode where 8 makes his debut. General White implies he's part human.

 

[Welfare]

Those lines aren't in the manga.

 

[Daingurse]

I don't think it's a stretch for Android 8 to have been originally human, or made from organic components. Dude does look like Frankenstein.

What would happen if Buu absorbed Whis?

Unlimited Powah.gif

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

What would happen if Buu absorbed Whis?

 

[Skii]

What would happen if Buu absorbed Whis?

I don't think it would work. Whis is too powerful at this point and would probably just break out of the body. Didn't Vegito do something similar?

 

[Welfare]

I don't think it would work. Whis is too powerful at this point and would probably just break out of the body. Didn't Vegito do something similar?

Vegito prepared a shield so he wouldn't get absorbed.