bananafactory
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Exactly. He's forming a new Jedi Order and can make his own rules.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Exactly. He's forming a new Jedi Order and can make his own rules.
DownGrader
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Anton Sugar
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Yeah, I'm good with this.
ZeroMaverick
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Gunmonkey36
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Just a random absurd thought --- I hope some smartass on the oscar nominee committee has the gall to nominate Mark Hamill for Best Supporting Actor.
That 4 second silent oscar performance. The internet salt alone would be worth it.
That 4 second silent oscar performance. The internet salt alone would be worth it.
Poe's family is actually featured in the Shattered Empire comic. It's revealed he grew up on Yavin 4, which is pretty cool.
Starting a new Jedi Academy =/= starting a Jedi Academy just like the old ones
Barkley's Justice
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His tantrums for example, his daddy issues which is such an overused movie trope.
Salty Catfish
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The coolest part about this is that was Oscar Isaac's idea since he was born in Guatemala, which is where they filmed the Yavin scenes.
True but wasn't Luke the last living jedi? Would the code/rules still apply in that case? I always figured it was something set in place while the jedi council was active. Like something they enforced and taught. Without that and without other jedi, maybe his view would change over time. I doubt it though.
Lights and Waves
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Where in the flashback were Obi-wan and Yoda??? I didn't see them.
friskykillface
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Poe should be Wedge the gods son
Would explain everything
Would explain everything
The first act of the movie, roughly -- up until it got too far into the han solo stuff -- was brilliant. I had some structural issues with it after that, but overall liked it largely because it has good characters.
CD'S BAR
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He throws tantrums. Lines like "i'm so torn apart i feel the light pulling me," etc. Came off to me as really self-pitying. Okay Vader redeemed himself in ROTJ and showed a little conflict be he did it without a single word or facial expression (dat helmet). He was just a cool stoic villain.
Why is a character automatically bad if they're conflicted, or as you put it, "whiny"?
PT Anakin was poorly written and performed.
Kylo had legitimately believable reactions and Adam Driver totally sold the character with his physical performance and delivery. Vader was also an old dude. Kylo looks to be around the same age Anakin was during RotS and he's already done many despicable things.
LegendofLex
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Heh, yup.
I definitely noticed all the other parallels, and I wasn't particularly happy about them kicking things off with Death Star III, but this was the one reference where I actually said "seriously?" out loud during the film.
Vader was pure Tarkin/Emperor lapdog for the entire series, he threw tantrums in both IV (barking orders at his commander on the Tantive IV) and V (killing anyone who disappointed him), and in VI any hint of an intimidating air was more or less neutered once the Emperor showed up (hell, his main threat in the intro scene was that his boss was gonna show up).
The degree to which he ceased to be a threatening villain came through especially painfully in any word he spoke to Luke about whether he'd turn back to the good side in VI. You can tell he's just a broken man who's beginning to rethink his life but feels powerless to change at that point.
WadiumArcadium
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The force. He's obviously got a few skills we haven't seen before. Same with the delving into people's minds to get information.
A Link to the Past
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Kylo basically did the same thing as Vader did, but in different ways. It suggests to me that Kylo is actually a more reasonable person than Vader - when Kylo got bad news, he destroyed things. When Vader got bad news, he destroyed people.
DownGrader
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By the way, I liked how they introduced the BB-8's ability to shoot whips. It might prevent situations like the one with R2-D2's rocket engine in Episode 3.
Frustrated_me
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You don't see them, but you do hear them say a few lines.
*Vader breathing*
*Scream* (Sounds a little bit like Leia)
Yoda: "An energy field (with echo)... It surrounds us and binds us."
*Luke screaming "no" from Empire is blended in with Yoda's last line*
Ben: "Remember (with echo)... The force will be with you, always."
*Scream* (Inuman - sounds like a Tusken Raider)
*Scream* (Female, unknown)
Young Rey: "Come back!"
Unkar Plutt: (Restraining Rey) "Quiet, girl."
*Scream* (Female, unkown)
Unknown male: "Rey?" (Does sound like Alec Guinness)
Unknown male: (Whispering) "These are your first steps."
Calcium
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I was pretty bummed by how underused Captain Phasma was in the movie. Such a badass character and amazing actress just wasted. Hopefully she gets more screen time in the sequel.
Man I was worried when Snoke first showed up and appeared to be a giant. It just struck me as goofy and luckily it was just a hologram. Man, they've really perfected that technology over that 30 year gap.
Man I was worried when Snoke first showed up and appeared to be a giant. It just struck me as goofy and luckily it was just a hologram. Man, they've really perfected that technology over that 30 year gap.
So the Hosnian system was destroyed by Starkiller, correct? And that was the current seat of power for the Republic, since they had moved to planets hosting the centre of power, rather than it always being Coruscant? And according the novel, the blast took out a major portion (most?) of the Republic fleet? And is Chancellor Mothma, and the Galactic Senate, dead?
Anton Sugar
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I'm starting to think that the movie really could have used another 15-20 minutes. It has such a fast pace that slowing down a bit wouldn't hurt, plus I think a lot of the relationships could have used the extra time. I think they work as-is but mostly on strength of character and performance--not so much in the writing.
Yeah, I also agree that it would have made more sense for her to be the one fighting Finn, although FN-B4D4SS was great.
Yeah, I also agree that it would have made more sense for her to be the one fighting Finn, although FN-B4D4SS was great.
Well yeah but my memory might be faulty but nobody outside of the extended universe, which doesn't exist did that. I know the old time people could block a light saber with the force but a blaster shot, that was a first for me.
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Yeah that's possible, he would have felt Han's death. But I think they could have illustrated that in some way, we KNOW Luke is alive, and we see him in Rey's vision. I think they could have managed to add in Luke at that point, just a glimpse.
Felt wrong for Han to die without any sort of acknowledgement from Luke. I really thought Luke would be present if that ever happened.
PuppetMaster
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That last shot was one of the shots that worked well in 3D
I would say that ending was damn near perfection. But One thing I would have changed slightly was Luke flipping his hood down. There was no need. And Hammil hammed it up slightly.
TheKaeptain
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Are you new to the western world?
ZeroMaverick
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I'm just wondering because I'm Mexican, but my birth certificate says white.
WadiumArcadium
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Yep, it's new. I thought Kylo having some powers we haven't seen before was great, instead of relying on just the powers we saw in the PT and OT. I wasn't really expecting it.
LookAtMeGo
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Do you have to reach a certain level of force power to interact with force ghosts? And is it possible we will see force ghosts in 8? Imagine rey being trained by Luke, Yoda, Obi and Anakin?
DownGrader
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If this true (which I doubt)... too many guys? The main character is a woman, as well as two other very important ones, and there are female Resistance pilots too.
But he did it with gravitas and no emotion and that is what made him impressive. If you throw a tantrum before you punish somebody it just feels strange. The Stormtroopers reacted at one scene like out of a sitcom while Kylo was again raging.
Kylo is way more like Darth Helmet.
That's what made that moment so cool. I'm glad JJ and company aren't feeling restricted to the force powers George Lucas made up. I'm glad no one force jumped in this film.
It's actually the best final shot of all the Star Wars films. Sooooo good.
Are you being serious? I get the dramatic intention of that entire final sequence but that shot, it was just so bad. What made it good to you?
Luke destroyed the Holocron that prohibited Jedi's from getting some, he told all of his new pupils that back in the day Jedis could have as many wives as they wanted.
Ganzlinger
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You can say he is white hispanic.
Anton Sugar
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Yeah, I wasn't crazy about that.
Actually, overall, the cinematography was a little up and down (mostly up). It looked good, and some shots were fantastic (ex: the bridge scene looked like concept art), but othertimes it felt very...I don't know. A little too slick? Seeing it again tomorrow in IMAX, maybe I'll have actual thoughts by that time.
I would have rather it ended with something a little more refined and less Bad Boys 2.
MHWilliams
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Well, think of this conflict not as a galaxy-spanning war, but a regional civil war.
That is exactly why I love more Kylo Ren, sure Vader is a great character and I really love him in the OT but he's some kind of zombie, tired, old, fallen Jedi, he was pretty average in Ep 4 but became an amazing character in 5 and 6.
Kylo is more like a beast, he's angry, affraid, jaelous, twisted etc ... I really like him in this movie, has the potential to be even better if Disney doesn't "Naruto" him
CD'S BAR
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sorry double post.
It's actually the best final shot of all the Star Wars films. Sooooo good.
Just an ADD-riddled mess of a helicopter shot.
bananafactory
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The shot was epic. I don't know what about it was bad
I think the length and pacing are perfect as is, but they maybe could've replaced the freighter action sequence with something else.
Chezzymann
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Nah, I thought it was great. One of my favorite shots in the movie.
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