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[brandonh83]

Any word on who is scoring episode 8?

No. But it'll be Williams, Desplat or Giacchino. Williams might have another one in him, Desplat is scoring Rogue One so that relationship is already there and Giacchino is a go-to guy that can channel Williams while still making his own thing.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Any word on who is scoring episode 8?

Not much about Episode 8 at all, so far.

Hoping they get either Giacchino or Bear McCreary, though.

 

[TheXbox]

I love this movie for bringing the best out of Harrison Ford. For all it's flaws - and there are many - it was worth it for that alone.

 

[PuppetMaster]

Thank you, I am gonna rip him a new asshole next time I see him. He knew that I really wanted to see the movie.

Fuck me and fuck China movie commision for delaying movie into January. I was fucking avoiding anything movie related completely, I didn't even read YouTube comments to random videos since people were spoilering there. And then I got backstabbed by fucking friend, who is no less huge Star Wars fan.



Don't read any posts unless I see someone quting me. Easy to skip through them and scroll to check if anyone replied. Anyway, I am off. And I don't think anything is more significant than identity of "main villain" which already was spoiled for me.

No. That is not even the big spolier. Just LEAVE NOW.

 

[Loomba]

Loved the movie but did it bother anyone else how easily Kylo Ren got his ass beat by Finn and Rey?

I mean they're obviously setting up that Rey is a powerful force user but she's still totally untrained, especially with a lightsaber. Yet her and Finn are someone able to hold their own in a lightsaber duel against someone who was trained by Luke? That kind of bothered me a bit. I guess you could say it was him just being too arrogant (like Anakin) but it still seems a bit far fetched.

Dude had just killed his dad, was an emotional wreck AND just got shot in the side (didn't you see what that bow aster did to normal people?), I mean i don't know why people think it's so far fetched.

Plus the fact that he won against Finn and was holding his own pretty well against Rey until her anime power up.

 

[Disheveled_Zen]

Loved the movie but did it bother anyone else how easily Kylo Ren got his ass beat by Finn and Rey?

I mean they're obviously setting up that Rey is a powerful force user but she's still totally untrained, especially with a lightsaber. Yet her and Finn are someone able to hold their own in a lightsaber duel against someone who was trained by Luke? That kind of bothered me a bit. I guess you could say it was him just being too arrogant (like Anakin) but it still seems a bit far fetched.

Finn's unit of stormtroopers were seemingly trained to fight Jedi, or at least be very proficient in melee combat. Don't forget Finn is a trained solider and Kylo's training isn't complete.

Rey is also a fairly good scapper and potentially has been trained as a padawan in the past.

 

[MMarston]

They should totally have as many elements from the Expanded Universe as possible. Han & Leia's twin children should slaughter each other. Snopes should be a clone of the Emperor. Luke should turn evil, and immediately clone himself, because that's what you do when you're evil. All the Moffs should go around on their Moffship holding Mofferences. Boba Fett should be alive and training Rey in the highly secret killing art that uniquely only Boba Fett in all the universe knows, called "a feint". There should be Force immune space vampires! And of course, the Zerg. And they should reveal that Han & Leia had a third child and then he should be killed off as well. Luke should die alone and miserable, and his grandson should become a heroin addict.

How the hell did you also forget to add Leia Eye Lazers in there?

Not much about Episode 8 at all, so far.

Hoping they get either Giacchino or Bear McCreary, though.

If Williams can still make it by then, then it should totally be him of course. But yeah, I'd say these would be the best torch to pass to.

 

[I'm an expert]

Loved the movie but did it bother anyone else how easily Kylo Ren got his ass beat by Finn and Rey?

I mean they're obviously setting up that Rey is a powerful force user but she's still totally untrained, especially with a lightsaber. Yet her and Finn are someone able to hold their own in a lightsaber duel against someone who was trained by Luke? That kind of bothered me a bit. I guess you could say it was him just being too arrogant (like Anakin) but it still seems a bit far fetched.

I brought up the same and if you go to page 294 there's a big discussion about it that starts there. I think a lot of people noticed. The only way it makes sense is Rey is a force messiah with insane lineage. Otherwise.. it wad pretty dumb.

 

[Tesseract]

is han dead?

 

[XpopcornX]

Do I need to see the other Star Wars movies before I can fully enjoy this one?

 

[GhaleonEB]

What was Sydow's background other than the keeper of the partial map part ?

"Look, it's Max Van Sydow!"

That was his entire role.

is han dead?

Stabbed through the stomach, thrown into a giant shaft toward the center of a planet, and the planet blew up.

Maybe?

 

[half a moon]

Do I need to see the other Star Wars movies before I can fully enjoy this one?

I'd watch 4,5,6

 

[MMarston]

is han dead?

yes?

 

[ultrazilla]

This complete plot synopsis someone posted back in May was pretty damn accurate.

The first sentence alone just makes me laugh. So no. I don't care "how close" they ended up getting.

Oh and this is a SPOILER THREAD so there's no need for spoiler tags/black boxes!!!

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Do I need to see the other Star Wars movies before I can fully enjoy this one?

Not at all.

 

[bill0527]

Loved the movie but did it bother anyone else how easily Kylo Ren got his ass beat by Finn and Rey?

I mean they're obviously setting up that Rey is a powerful force user but she's still totally untrained, especially with a lightsaber. Yet her and Finn are someone able to hold their own in a lightsaber duel against someone who was trained by Luke? That kind of bothered me a bit. I guess you could say it was him just being too arrogant (like Anakin) but it still seems a bit far fetched.

That seems to be one of the biggest complaints.

They most plausible explanation is that Kylo had taken a pretty good beating by the time he got to Rey. He had a gaping wound dripping blood from Chewie's Bowcaster, and I wouldn't necessarily say that Finn beat his ass. He did get a good slice in though with the lightsaber, but who ended up unconscious in the snow?

 

[dork]

Just saw it. Loved it.
I hope I never see another post badmouthing JJ. Goat.
So many feels. I was really hoping to see Luke introduced by just seeing a figure walking in the distance and a saber come out and he mows everyone down. I see why that didn't happen though. They don't want him to be a main character hero it would take away from Ray.

I will say I'm absolutely stoked at what the next story would be.

The one change I woulda made. When the camera is panning around at the end. I woulda had look reach his hand out and the saber flies to him. End scene.

The scenes with Lea and Han seemed off too. Like either she can't act. Or something

 

[DownGrader]

Do I need to see the other Star Wars movies before I can fully enjoy this one?

Yes, I think the knowledge of the original trilogy (4, 5, 6) is pretty much required. However, the film ignores the prequels (1, 2, 3) entirely.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

It being unguarded was a little weird.

The guards probably ran away like everyone else during the First Order airstrikes.

 

[brandonh83]

is han dead?

I'd say yes but there was the whole Darth Maul shenanigans so who can say

 

[Dusktildawn48]

I hate Snoke or whatever why is he so big

Hologram. Someone in here says he's actually like 8 feet tall

 

[Altima]

Loved the movie but did it bother anyone else how easily Kylo Ren got his ass beat by Finn and Rey?

I mean they're obviously setting up that Rey is a powerful force user but she's still totally untrained, especially with a lightsaber. Yet her and Finn are someone able to hold their own in a lightsaber duel against someone who was trained by Luke? That kind of bothered me a bit. I guess you could say it was him just being too arrogant (like Anakin) but it still seems a bit far fetched.

We talked about this many times in this thread and I think it is ok.

At that time Kylo Ren was
- Injured
- Emotional unstable after kill his daddy

And Rey is not a weak girl at all. She trained herself on Jakku everyday just from her daily task and she is also a stronger force user.

 

[MMarston]

Do I need to see the other Star Wars movies before I can fully enjoy this one?

It' be great, but no, not really.

 

[injurai]

Finn thought Poe was dead

I don't see how this is relevant. That would be more of a reason for them taking bb8 off planet. Which explains why Poe would leave empty handed.

 

[Suite Pee]

I just hope Finn is a jedi.

 

[Dany]

Nah, you can totally see this movie on its own. they tell you enough background throughout the movie so you'll understand.

 

[jelly]

Loved the movie but did it bother anyone else how easily Kylo Ren got his ass beat by Finn and Rey?

I mean they're obviously setting up that Rey is a powerful force user but she's still totally untrained, especially with a lightsaber. Yet her and Finn are someone able to hold their own in a lightsaber duel against someone who was trained by Luke? That kind of bothered me a bit. I guess you could say it was him just being too arrogant (like Anakin) but it still seems a bit far fetched.

Finn is a trained Stormtrooper hunting for Luke so he should be a good fighter and know how to tackle a Jedi in some capacity., Chewie shot Ren with his crossbow and as Han showed it's not just a laser blast, more of an explosive and it got Ren good in the stomach, ribs which weakened him and Finn give him a good fight and Rey's powers are an unknown quantity but her quick learning force curve and her ability with the staff on Jakku shows she is quite skilful and no chump then her sudden focus with the Force in the last fight gave her the beast mode to wreck Ren. Makes sense all things considered.

 

[brandonh83]

Do I need to see the other Star Wars movies before I can fully enjoy this one?

You can follow it, but you'd be missing so much context that it would affect your experience to some degree.

 

[Kadey]

I'm bothered by the fact Kylo looks nothing like Leia or Han. He looks more like Gene SImmons.

The movie was good. Since it's the beginning of many more I didn't expect too much of anything since future sequels will answer many questions.

 

[Kurtofan]

Loved the movie but did it bother anyone else how easily Kylo Ren got his ass beat by Finn and Rey?

I mean they're obviously setting up that Rey is a powerful force user but she's still totally untrained, especially with a lightsaber. Yet her and Finn are someone able to hold their own in a lightsaber duel against someone who was trained by Luke? That kind of bothered me a bit. I guess you could say it was him just being too arrogant (like Anakin) but it still seems a bit far fetched.

Did you miss that he was heavily wounded by Chewie's laser crossbow?

 

[GhaleonEB]

Hologram. Someone in here says he's actually like 8 feet tall

I'm kind of hoping he's actually Yoda sized and was just over compensating.

You can follow it, but you'd be missing so much context that it would affect your experience to some degree.

Agree. I imagine newbies being a bit lost. Heck I'm far from that I was still a bit lost at times.

 

[brandonh83]

I'm bothered by the fact Kylo looks nothing like Leia or Han. He looks more like Gene Simmons.

I think he can pass for Han's son, with the strong facial features.

 

[NekoFever]

tbh I don't even know why they cast Sydow for that. At least it was a really good "here's the map" role?

That disappointed me since he's one of my favourite actors. I built up the lack of talk about his role into it being something big, when it was quite the opposite.

 

[half a moon]

I don't see how this is relevant. That would be more of a reason for them taking bb8 off planet. Which explains why Poe would leave empty handed.

There was no explanation to why Poe would leave the planet without looking for bb8 until someone pointed out there was a bounty for bb8 that probably gave info that they left in the millennium falcon.

 

[gutter_trash]

I hate Snoke or whatever why is he so big

same here, I and hate Serkis being shoved in this movie.

Tired of the Serkis

 

[Ophelion]

Why didn't he look for BB-8 on the planet or bring back the resistance to scour the planet?

Maybe he also heard through the grapevine just like the New Order did that Finn and Rey had fled the planet with the droid in tow and was just like, "Better report in and figure out what to do next."

 

[Brakke]

Loved the movie but did it bother anyone else how easily Kylo Ren got his ass beat by Finn and Rey?

This has come up a zillion times in the thread. There's a squad who will explain what was supposed to be happening but by now I hope we can all agree that the movie itself didn't communicate the intention well. Ok concept, poor execution.

 

[jackdoe]

There was no explanation to why Poe would leave the planet without looking for bb8 until someone pointed out there was a bounty for bb8 that probably gave info that they left in the millennium falcon.

He was probably still on the planet until the spy alerted the Resistance in the bar.

 

[brandonh83]

That disappointed me since he's one of my favourite actors. I built up the lack of talk about his role into it being something big, when it was quite the opposite.

I think it was maybe to just squeeze in a famous and respected face. Which is fine. Unnecessary but fine.

 

[pringles]

Luke starting as an inexperienced brat and slowly becoming a awesome Jedi, was very cool.

Is nice to see Rey being so kickass for starters, but the jump she's gonna made won't be as pronuncied, because she is basically a Jedi at this point.

I love Luke's arc in the OT (very good acting by Hamill actually) but he never really displays Jedi Master stuff. Rey may reach a higher level, and will probably need it since Kylo Ren is going to be a powerful opponent in his prime as opposed to Vader who was a mechanical old man.

 

[Ganzlinger]

is han dead?

no, Phasma recovered his wounded body and escaped the starkiller.

 

[ElFly]

You mean when Leia's plan miraculously works and the droids land on Tattooine, get caught and just so happen to be sold to Luke's uncle, but only after the droid they originally bought blew up?

If they hadn't been bought by Uncle Owen, then the androids would have made their way to Obi Wan Kenobi eventually. That just makes the plot more expedient, but it would have worked otherwise. It is not out of the question Ben Kenobi would have grabbed Luke once the androids or Leia had arrived at his doorstep.

TFA is not like that; the Milenium Falcon just having been stolen thrice and then left next to Rey and Finn is crazy coincidence; Han finding the Falcon afterwards isn't that crazy, the problem is where they found it in Jakku in the first place.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

Why would Luke abandon his daughter on a desertic, hostile planet totally alone? Wouldn't be she safer with one of the most powerful Jedi's ever instead of being surrounded by scoundrels, slavers and whatever shit is in that planet?

That's some Goku's level of fathersip.

It's another element to how I don't like what they've done with Luke, but it makes sense if he honestly believes she'd be safer far from him, especially when riddled with guilt. Plus who knows, maybe Kylo Ren killed Rey's mother and Luke just flipped out and figured Rey was as good as dead if she stayed with him.

My biggest issue is that the only reason it makes sense to me that Luke didn't defeat the Knights if Ren is that he couldn't bring himself to kill his nephew.

 

[Loomba]

That disappointed me since he's one of my favourite actors. I built up the lack of talk about his role into it being something big, when it was quite the opposite.

Max and Domhall Gleeson should have switched roles imo

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

Clever use of using the name "Starkiller" as a nod and wink to Lucas' original draft of Star Wars.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

You can follow it, but you'd be missing so much context

I disagree. The film is structured in such a way that the main characters are, themselves, new to the whole Star Wars thing. They talk about the Original Trilogy the way newcomers to the series would. "I've heard vague stories about this shit, but I don't really know what's up"

Any context needed to follow what's happening in the film is provided by the film itself.

 

[PBalfredo]

This has come up a zillion times in the thread. There's a squad who will explain what was supposed to be happening but by now I hope we can all agree that the movie itself didn't communicate the intention well. Ok concept, poor execution.

Nah, some people just weren't paying attention / are dense. What, did the movie need to show Kylo get wounded more? Was Kylo not unhinged enough?

 

[Blader]

I get that it's hard to make cg characters look real, but every time a cg character was on screen it completely took me out of the film. Really wish that animatronics and physical makeup were used instead. I'd like to know why Snoke, a very human design, is built by CG instead of physical creation.

Serkis said that Snoke's height and bone structure made mo-cop necessary (same deal with Maz).

It was definitely a JJ Abrams joint. No sense of wonder and the film could've used an extra hour+ so everything doesn't seem so rushed. Finn went from stormtrooper to being a key member destroying the new death star in a quick minute. I'm sure they'll explain this away with 'oh he's in tune with the force', as with all Star Wars writing problems. That explanation is fine, but loses meaning when you throw it around willy-nilly

Um, if by quick minute, you mean the whole movie. And is it really that unreasonable that Finn, having been a stormtrooper stationed on Starkiller Base, would know the layout of that base?

When I can glance at the platform at the beginning of the Han & Ren sequence and immediately know what is going to happen, and then you use idiotic dialogue like "I know what I have to do, but I'm not sure I'm strong enough to do it", how exactly are you not going to know that Han is dead? The characters having a front-row seat, too. All of the plot was telegraphed, nothing was surprising.

It's supposed to build dread, not be a surprise. It's not an out of left field plot twist like Vader being Luke's father, it's a natural outcome of how both their stories were progressing and crossed over.

 

[Tesseract]

no, Phasma recovered his wounded body and escaped the starkiller.

sounds about right

 

[Zeliard]

Loved the movie but did it bother anyone else how easily Kylo Ren got his ass beat by Finn and Rey?

I mean they're obviously setting up that Rey is a powerful force user but she's still totally untrained, especially with a lightsaber. Yet her and Finn are someone able to hold their own in a lightsaber duel against someone who was trained by Luke? That kind of bothered me a bit. I guess you could say it was him just being too arrogant (like Anakin) but it still seems a bit far fetched.

Finn being able to hold his own with the lightsaber seemed like a bit much, even though the Stormtroopers have clearly received a notable amount of melee weapon training.

But I loved how relatively weak Kylo Ren came off as. Immature, lacking self-confidence, prone to petulent outbursts, strong Force user but wields it with the elegance and subtlety of a sledgehammer, and can thus be outmaneuvered.

I have no problems with Rey beating Ren down because they seem to be portraying her as exceptionally adept with the Force, in the same way Anakin was when he was young, with the (major) difference being that she has a good head on her shoulders and doesn't inevitably self-destruct.

They're also portraying Ren as brimming with similar potential but too immature/inexperienced/unstable to fulfill it, which is where Snoke will really come into play in the sequel.