jufonuk
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my thinking was he never knew a second gunners turret existed he just ran into one and found it assumed it was the only one.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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my thinking was he never knew a second gunners turret existed he just ran into one and found it assumed it was the only one.
OricWindstar
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True, she makes up for them, but she's still not just constantly perfect. I partly agree with you, I think she could have used a few more hurdles, but I don't think she's much different than Luke was. He doesn't really fuck up much at all and it takes down a Death Star with Force abilities he's discovered with the last few days.
When Adam Driver took off his mask, most of my theater burst out laughing!
I went to two reboots/sequels this year, Star Wars VII and Rocky VII, two long-in-the-tooth series I'm largely indifferent to helmed by new directors. While the latter really worked for me, SW just left me cold. Both were corny AF, and it was easy to anticipate the story beats for the films, but the leads in Creed had fantastic chemistry which kept me invested in the moment-to-moment. I knew what was going to happen, but I wanted to see how it happened.
Despite the constant call-backs, I didn't care about any of the characters in the Force Awakens. Maybe if the filmmakers sacrificed one of the many capture/escape sequences for a little more emotional development or some quiet moments it wouldn't feel like such a hollow, calculating homage to a relative newcomer?
I went to two reboots/sequels this year, Star Wars VII and Rocky VII, two long-in-the-tooth series I'm largely indifferent to helmed by new directors. While the latter really worked for me, SW just left me cold. Both were corny AF, and it was easy to anticipate the story beats for the films, but the leads in Creed had fantastic chemistry which kept me invested in the moment-to-moment. I knew what was going to happen, but I wanted to see how it happened.
Despite the constant call-backs, I didn't care about any of the characters in the Force Awakens. Maybe if the filmmakers sacrificed one of the many capture/escape sequences for a little more emotional development or some quiet moments it wouldn't feel like such a hollow, calculating homage to a relative newcomer?
SixMachine
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I was also disappointed with her. She didn't even blast some people or say much except bark orders to Finn. Her design was cool and I hoped she would be Boba Fett levels of intimidating but the best thing about her was Finn rubbing it in that he's in charge, which is all Finn and not her at all.
Sure, and I'm someone who would like to see Phasma do cool shit, but it's another thing when people see all the reasons why Kylo lost versus Rey (he's injured, emotionally unhinged, still in need of training) and still call foul that he lost to her.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Her folding like a house of cards also cost them their Death Star v3.
Of course, no one much seemed to care, and they do seem pretty disposable in this Universe...
TheOctodad
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Part of me would love to see some greater evil like in Mass Effect, that essentially forces Rey and Snoke/Ren to fight together at least temporarily. There could be a big debate over the methods used to defeat them and even see the New Republic/Resistance side with the more pragmatic suggestions of Kylo/Snoke.
We essentially see the Resistance resort to killing citizens or other grey choices because of fear and survival.
I don't know, I just hope to see some real twist and turns in the next one.
We essentially see the Resistance resort to killing citizens or other grey choices because of fear and survival.
I don't know, I just hope to see some real twist and turns in the next one.
The One and Done
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Good for you.
Thinking Finn is a thief isn't a bad judgment call considering BB8 gave her the info. The only bad decision she made in the film was accidentally choosing the wrong lock on the freighter.
LookAtMeGo
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I think her vision of them when she found the lightsaber was less of a flashback and more foreshadowing of things to come. I can see it happening.
Jest Chillin
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I feel like you either didn't pay attention or it's been awhile. When the size of the shaft is revealed to be 2 meters, the pilots express a serious doubt at being able to hit it. That's when Luke makes the comparison to Wompa Rats, suggesting it's possible. They're going to try regardless so there's nothing to calm down from. It's just a moment that is supposed to lessen the "wtf seriously?" when Luke eventually makes the shot.
And I didn't "insinuate" anything. I quite plainly and specifically said the way it's animated makes the shot look like it changes direction in mid-air. And I'm not wrong.
https://youtu.be/2WBG2rJZGW8?t=13m19s
Both shots are animated to be angled from the outside of the frame towards the center and they arc down suddenly to fit into the opening of the shaft.
We know that Luke could see into the future, and she had a vision of the snowy forest where she'd later fight Ren, so that's definitely very possible.
and Luke saves her, kicking ass..please god of star wars >>
some sources say snoke is (possible size spoiler)
7ft in real life..but that is just wiki-knowledge.
Yeah, this might be my list as well.
brandonh83
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Rey would make them Force shit themselves before they could lay a finger on her.
I still don't get peoples' issues with Driver's appearance. He has big ears and his face is very asymmetrical, so what? The point is that he's just a normal dude. If you didn't follow casting you probably expected a deformed Vader-type under the mask, just like how Rey called him a "creature", but he just ends up being an average looking guy. I think it's kind of clever.
Luke has seriously difficulty pulling a lightsaber to him in ESB and you're saying that he changed the direction of the missiles midair in ANH?
……forgetit
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Anakin could too. It's a common Jedi thinh
WadiumArcadium
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But they were surrounded by the bodies of the Jedi Luke had recruited into his academy. At least that's who I presumed they were.
I'll just repeat what I said ages ago, I think the film relies too much on Rey and much of her screen time should have been replaced with Finn. WHAT!? You say with your mouth agape. Well, here's the thing it seems clear to me that the writers/JJ were hell bent on crafting Rey for whatever twist they have coming down the line in the future movies and as a result she ends up as a flat character because the audience literally knows fuck all about her. We literally know NOTHING about her besides the fact that she is waiting for "someone" on Jakku. As a result, we have very little attachment to the character since we have no idea what her inner drive or motivations are.
On the other hand, Finn could have taken on the role of the lead for this movie replacing Luke Skywalker's character from ANH except slightly twisted. Now, save for the stupid line about Finn being raised as a Stormtrooper from birth, an added "twist" which is beyond stupid and ruins a potential for a deeper character, his character at least has an arc. He's basically a young Han Solo, he's not interested in all this political crap and just wants to get away from it all and enjoy a free life for once. I felt like the movie should have mostly followed his character with Rey being relegated to more of a mysterious secondary role, someone that constantly piques the audience's interest but is not the central focus of the film.
As it stand, both characters end up fighting for the lead role and as a result neither does a particularly good job at it. It's like the whole Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan and Obi-Wan/Anakin problem of the prequels.
On the other hand, Finn could have taken on the role of the lead for this movie replacing Luke Skywalker's character from ANH except slightly twisted. Now, save for the stupid line about Finn being raised as a Stormtrooper from birth, an added "twist" which is beyond stupid and ruins a potential for a deeper character, his character at least has an arc. He's basically a young Han Solo, he's not interested in all this political crap and just wants to get away from it all and enjoy a free life for once. I felt like the movie should have mostly followed his character with Rey being relegated to more of a mysterious secondary role, someone that constantly piques the audience's interest but is not the central focus of the film.
As it stand, both characters end up fighting for the lead role and as a result neither does a particularly good job at it. It's like the whole Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan and Obi-Wan/Anakin problem of the prequels.
LookAtMeGo
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I cant remember the bodies.. what made you think they were Jedi?
Tom Nook Sawyer
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How dare you not validate my feelings on something I'm insecure about!
Judgement call? BB-8 told her that Finn stole the jacket from his master - that's why she chases him down.
She even tells him this directly after she knocks him down - "This little droid says you stole that jacket from his master."
Jest Chillin
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Qui-Gon disobeyed orders from the Council but he wasn't morally gray. Dooku makes claims that make him seem gray but it's known that he's a Sith and Sith lie to manipulate inherently.
The closest we get to Gray is Anakin in Ep 2 and during The Clone Wars but that's just because his decent to The Darkside was a slow and deliberate manipulation from Palpatine. Han and Lando are portrayed as having been Gray in the past but the movies showcase them both to be the Heart of Gold archtypes so their pasts are pretty much erased by their actions as the movies go forward.
LowParry
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I wish the movies would give some visual nods to some of the SWTOR cinematics. Take Captain Phasma. She'd be the new hotness that's not Boba Fett. I mean look at Shae Vizla from SWTOR.
And maybe have a full reveal of the Knights of Ren like so.
But please, please have Rey be a double bladed lightsaber user. She already knows how to use a staff. Just do it!
And maybe have a full reveal of the Knights of Ren like so.
But please, please have Rey be a double bladed lightsaber user. She already knows how to use a staff. Just do it!
WadiumArcadium
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Well we know Kylo turned on the Jedi Academy Luke formed with the help of the Knights of Ren. Luke could be burning their remains on the funeral pyre when we see the shot with R2. There's no solid evidence, I just thought it could be them.
I see people get shouted down a lot when they bring this up, but GOD I still want it to happen.But please, please have Rey be a double bladed lightsaber user. She already knows how to use a staff. Just do it!
superNESjoe
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I don't understand the issues with Driver. I especially don't understand everyone calling him "ugly", as if that really has anything to do with....well anything.
He was great, he played the role really well and was a really engaging character. I think a lot of people went in wanting a very stereotypical regurgitation of Vader, or something a bit more sinister. What we got was a far more complex villain than that, and a really human one. His face isn't intimidating, which is exactly why he wears the mask. He's hiding his weakness behind that mask.
He was great, he played the role really well and was a really engaging character. I think a lot of people went in wanting a very stereotypical regurgitation of Vader, or something a bit more sinister. What we got was a far more complex villain than that, and a really human one. His face isn't intimidating, which is exactly why he wears the mask. He's hiding his weakness behind that mask.
I would love it if Leia was secretly a force badass or at least puts some evil guys in their place at some point in the future.
Precisely.
I kinda wish he's Yoda sized in the next movie
breadtruck
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Any list that has 1 that high is automatically void
Again, I think you're misremembering the OT and also trying to scrounge for "losses" and screw ups that Rey does. Luke does nothing but lose in ANH and continues to lose throughout the trilogy. Luke has to be rescued from the sand people, Luke has to be rescued in the bar by Obi-Wan, Luke can barely block a training droid with his lightsaber, Luke has to be rescued by Han Solo on the Death Star, Luke has to be helped by Leia on the Deathstar, Luke has to be saved by R2 in the trash compactor, Luke has to be rescued by Han Solo during the Trench run, etc. All of that is just in the first movie. It continues in all of the rest of the movies, the finale of the trilogy is him being rescued by his father. Rey, on the other hand, has no real conflict she doesn't just shoot or Force wield her way out of.
WadiumArcadium
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He's about seven ft tall according to Serkis.
SixMachine
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I expect them to be force sensitives or new trainees under Luke. Han said before Luke went away he tried training a new Jedi order but one boy ruined it all. Maybe we will see more turned trainees that betrayed Luke with Kylo later.
Oh and just so we can end this stupid notion that Luke was able to change the trajectory of the missiles midair, someone already did a breakdown.
http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/8538/why-did-luke-need-a-targeting-computer-in-the-first-place said:Short answer: They don't really "turn 90 degrees". Or rather, they probably weren't supposed to.
In the fourth draft (the one just prior to filming) of the script, Lucas gives us a hint about how he envisioned the Proton Torpedoes working:
I think by "ninety degrees" that Lucas was probably imagining that the pilot had to be directly above the exhaust port in order for it to drop go all the way down into the reactor. That might make sense when you're writing something, but it's obviously harder to ignore the laws of inertia when someone asks you to animate it. (You may interpret it differently, though.)
The SFX team apparently took this problem and envisioned them more "realistically" as something akin to traditional bombs. You can see this in the movie for yourself in one of Dan O'Bannon's tactical displays:
It clearly shows the idea was that the pilot was supposed to "drop" the torpedoes into the exhaust port, like a real world bomb.
Indeed, even if you slow down the infamous shot in question, you can see that the torpedoes are supposed to be falling... it's the just animation happens too quickly you don't see it. (And the previous shot of them travelling in a straight line, like a laser, doesn't really help.)
I created this animated GIF, slowing down all 16 frames of the animation, so you can see this for yourself:
So it appears to be a somewhat inconsistent interpretation born out of probably what was only a rough idea in the script to begin with (Lucas was never one for getting bogged down in technical details of his universe), rather than anything deliberately thought out.
Indeed, judging from Luke's actions, it seems clear that he turns off his targeting computer in order to manually decide when to fire his torpedoes into the exhaust port. There doesn't appear to be any further input from him after that.
Maybe George Lucas could fix this issue in one last "Special Edition"?(Just kidding, please don't kill me.)
Expanded Universe Explanation
Of course, that's just one canon. If you're open to letting other authors interpret how Proton Torpedoes work, and are prepared to enter the murky (and often contradictory) "Expanded Universe", then there's more answers waiting for you.
Noting their apparently strange behaviour in the original movie, it seems that most EU authors have imagined Proton Torpedoes to be simple homing missiles with the additional ability of manual remote control.
Here's some samples from the EU novels:
X-Wing: Rogue Squadron (1996), Michael A. Stackpole
"Corran switched over to proton torpedo target control."
Jedi Trial (2004), David Sherman and Dan Cragg
"Gunnery officer, mark that target for proton torpedo salvo. Deactivate the homing system. Use line-of-sight guidance system. I want these babies dead on."
In the games (X-Wing, Rogue Squadron, etc.), however, they are treated differently yet again: More like standard slow-but-powerful homing missiles, with no manual guidance. In the X-Wing Miniatures board game they are also treated like homing missiles (requiring a player to "lock" on a target before they can be fired). This is more likely born out of the need for gaming mechanics, however.
Despite this general consensus about their behaviour, other EU sources are contradictory. For example, the aforementioned Jedi Trial states that Proton Torpedoes were first used in the "Clones Wars", yet Anakin's big yellow Starfighter at the end of The Phantom Menace is said to be equipped with them. Furthermore, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II, set thousands of years before the events of the movies, makes mention of them as well.
Basically, with the EU you pretty much get to choose your canon, but most of the time they're considered to be homing missiles, with the ability for manual guidance. (With this interpretation, Luke turning off his targeting computer allowed him to manually guide the missiles down the exhaust port.)
LookAtMeGo
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Gotcha. Im convinced the "poetry" or throwback in the next film will be the dark side "striking back" and that it will be at the hands of the Knights of Ren led by a fully trained and more powerful Kylo... at least I hope it is.
If such a scene were to happen, I'd imagine it playing out like this scene from Superman Returns, but that would be incredibly fucking dark for a Disney endorsed Star Wars film. Still, it'd be a great scene if Ep 8 tried to trump Empire's dark moments near the end.
Nothing wrong with him. Yeah, he is trying hard to be something he isn't. People just had something else in their mind like pure evil red eyes or a monster behind the mask. He isn't ugly, just more unique looking than most.
Sevket-Erhat
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But please, please have Rey be a double bladed lightsaber user. She already knows how to use a staff. Just do it!
That is a must
Based on various novelizations, Qui-Gon was a literal Force zealot who had little respect for the traditions and inner workings of the Jedi and made decisions entirely based on how the Force guided him. He was more or less the hippie version of a Jedi.
Honestly he's a pretty fascinating character in his own right in any context that isn't TPM. It's a shame that movie doesn't really get into any of this so all of his actions end up making him look like some bored amoral asshole.
Jest Chillin
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So you have a basic misunderstanding of how The Force works then? How it manifests itself?
Wait, people actually thought this? In all my years of watching the movie I never thought this.
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