Tom Nook Sawyer
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It totally reminded me of Mathew McConaughey in Wolf of Wallstreet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCHmOAbJBs
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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It totally reminded me of Mathew McConaughey in Wolf of Wallstreet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCHmOAbJBs
RyanardoDaVinci
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I know that, but it already fired once -- how did it fire again from the same system?
Did it only drain half the star? Was it a multi-star system? Was it even in the same system or did it drain one star and move to another?
Kind of a shitty weapon, tbh, because you not only destroy the system you just obliterated, but also the one you are currently stationed in because now it has no star and all the system's planets will freeze/die. So it has to be mobile, but I guess I missed that/it wasn't stated.
And if it is mobile, how do you move something on a planetary scale? Do they have to suck up a star just to get enough energy to move to the next?
Starkiller Base is the main thing I straight-up dislike in the movie. They should've been more creative than "a BIGGER Death Star!"
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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guys
your only options re: political exposition are not just the boring ass exposition of the prequels or just explaining next to nothing like this movie
there is a middle ground
your only options re: political exposition are not just the boring ass exposition of the prequels or just explaining next to nothing like this movie
there is a middle ground
I LOVED Adam Driver in this. He's a phenomenal actor to begin with. Funny all the people who didn't know him before this may not know that. Second, I thought his look was perfect. Very creepy when the mask came off. Goth-ish. Realistic. I could not be a bigger fan of the casting. And since we're being anecdotal, "everyone I know agrees."
I had shivers during that scene. It was definitely the music.
Blargonaut
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Yeaaaaahhhhhh I know...
The whole 'Millenium Falcon on Jakku' just seemed too convenient a setup to introduce Han and Chewie for me, I guess, and it affected my perception of their intro...
Admiral Woofington
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is it coincidence or was it the point in symbolist that Kylo's lightsaber was that unstable wavy thing?
JetBlackPanda
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I don't really get what they didn't explain? This is episode VII it's not Star Wars: The Reboot the movie treats the audience like most of us have been here before.
A new hope did it perfectly really.
The man was bleeding heavily, losing tons of blood. He was shot in the side and had to not only stay conscious and on his feet but also engage in physical battle to the death.
He wasn't pounding "his chest" he was hitting himself in/near the wound where he was shot to stop the pain from numbing and using said pain to "wake himself up" and to "stay sharp" while losing tons of blood.
I sometimes feel people have very different ways of understanding movies.
It's almost like the Force.....moves in mysterious ways.
DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNN
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
J.J. Abrams fucking hates physics. Did you see the Star Trek films? Making sense isn't his thing.
And the middle-ground still involves creating a situation in the movie where it makes sense for the characters to start talking politics. Much better to use the approach they had in this movie.
Can't believe I'm about to do this, buuut....
Current canon states that the original, core-world Republic and the Galactic Republic are not the same thing. The two together came to be considered "The Old Republic" by the time of ANH, but what was initially considered the Old Republic was created a thousand generations ago by the Core Worlds and only expanded out to encompass the galaxy following the implosion of the Sith and their retreat under the Banite rules 10000 years prior to TPM. The Galactic Republic was then established, but to later people it seemed like a continuation, in the same way that the reconstituted Byzantine Empire under the Palaiologues could be seen as the same or a separate state.
The Clone Wars movie.
The ship in RotS isn't the Tantive IV, it's the Sundered Heart.
Current canon states that the original, core-world Republic and the Galactic Republic are not the same thing. The two together came to be considered "The Old Republic" by the time of ANH, but what was initially considered the Old Republic was created a thousand generations ago by the Core Worlds and only expanded out to encompass the galaxy following the implosion of the Sith and their retreat under the Banite rules 10000 years prior to TPM. The Galactic Republic was then established, but to later people it seemed like a continuation, in the same way that the reconstituted Byzantine Empire under the Palaiologues could be seen as the same or a separate state.
Clonetroopers are clones of Jango Fett. Stormtroopers are recruits, with only a few clones.
Clonetroopers were grown, Stormtroopers are recruited with high enlistment rates as a jobs creation program.
She remembers it through the Force and has seen Force visions of Padme (see the Princess Leia comic). For whatever reason, Luke is more connected to his father.
The Clone Wars movie.
The ship in RotS isn't the Tantive IV, it's the Sundered Heart.
He does, he just doesn't say anything to Luke about Yoda.
He...didn't? He just didn't consider her the one who would be able to restore Vader. If there's a problem here it's due to Leia being retconned into Luke's sister in RotJ, since she wasn't originally his sister in ESB when he tells Yoda that Luke was their last hope. The "other" was supposed to be Luke's sister Nellith who would come in during the next trilogy.
The pod race and the Battle of Naboo.
Obi-Wan was lying to Luke to get him on his side.
He reflected on the follies of the Clone Wars. He grows as a character, having been blinded by Jedi dogma during the PT and having learned under Qui-Gon's tutelage what it means to be a true Jedi.
The last name thing has been an issue since ESB/RotJ, so that's not a prequel problem. Anyway, Vader hates Tatooine and never wanted to go back. Palpatine specifically sends him as a punishment in the current Star Wars comics.
You have one so far.
He didn't need to. The old EU said they broke down.
First one had design problems and was never attempted before, supply lines kept getting sabotaged by rebels like Berch Teller (see the Tarkin novel). The second Death Star was already being constructed by the time of ANH (see the Marvel Star Wars comic).
TCW.
Yoda instructs all younglings.
Because Luke was too old going by the traditional Jedi standards and Obi-Wan just spent 20 years watching the kid and wasn't about to just give up because Yoda said no.
Does it matter?
The Empire was increasingly encroaching on Tatooine. We already see this with the Stormtrooper patrols in ANH, and deleted scenes from ANH have Biggs warning Luke that the Empire is nationalizing farms and could come for the Lars homestead next. Also the Star Wars comics have Vader putting Jabba in his place.
It blends well with what the locals already wear. This has been a problem since RotJ, isn't a prequel issue.
They're around, see all the new canon books and comics.
If you're talking about Yoda doing the Force block thing with his hands, Luke was caught offguard.
The Sith use dark side acolytes as attack dogs without training them to be full Sith, see the Inquisitors in Rebels. Either way, they're both lying to each other and want Luke as their apprentice.
Twin suns.
He's aware of it, he just thinks it's a stupid religion. Force users are rare in the galaxy, which as trillions and trillions of beings in it. Imperial propaganda against the Jedi relegates them to terrorists who believed in a strange religion. This isn't unusual and we can see how fast propaganda spreads in the real world.
It's symbolic of the Empire focusing on brute force and functionalism vs. aesthetics and refinement. Remember, the PT is a "more civilized age". They're trying to pump out a huge military, not the most technologically perfect one.
Who says he doesn't? All he ever says is that he doesn't remember "owning a droid"
Why would he? Do you remember every tool you ever owned? He doesn't think of droids as individuals, just things.
They never asked.
Why would he? Luke has no idea who he is. Also TCW confirmed that Qui-Gon died before his training was complete so he can only show up as a voice, not a spectral form, unless he's on some crazy Force nexus place like Mortis.
Dave Filioni said that Lucas told him the answer but that he does not want to share it (yet). Most likely it's because he's the Chosen One and the idea was planted in his head on Mortis.
Obi-Wan was lying.
Semantics.
Because Lucas hadn't formalized the idea of Darth as a title yet.
He was not a Master, but a Knight, so he was still under Obi-Wan's rank. The last time he speaks with Obi-Wan on good terms he even tells him "I've been a terrible apprentice."
Semantics.
Just Some Guy
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Watching han solo die was the most predictable boring crap I've seen in years.
The Republic could have been explained a bit better, but how do you do that within the context of people living in the Republic? How do you bring it into the conversation?
That Aryan guy at the First Order rally managed to get a bit in, though.
Anyway, what we've got going on is a conflict of expectations. Hardcore Star Wars fanboys had dozens of novels and encyclopedias written after the fact to fill in all the gaps in the OT for them. The PT was written with those expectations in mind, explaining everything. Now we have a return to the OT's style of leaving everything out.
Calamari41
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All I know is Anakin needs to pay a force ghost visit to Kylo and tell his grandson to calm the fuck down with this dark side shit
Bobby Roberts
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Buba Big Guns
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Those were 95% nitpicks.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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True. So they should have made a better movie
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Not to such an extreme. Absorbing the sun you are orbiting? Really? I couldn't suspend my disbelief on that one. It's just too huge.
I think that is exactly what the draw to the light side Kylo feels is, but Snoke has his mind on lock.
Yea.
Han Solo getting stabbed by a crying Andy Samberg because he's too old and unreliable for future movies.
I don't think it had the emotional impact they were going for, lol.
I would laugh if the beginning of the next movie shows Luke and Rey still standing towards each other with Rey's lightsaber in hand still stretched out. Then Rey goes like "ok seriously, would you take the lightsaber already? I've been standing here like this for at least a few minutes now."
Fuck that drawing, ugh.
eyeball_kid
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Every time I read more of these admissions from the writing team it just makes me disheartened. These guys have no idea what they're doing with the story. It feels like Battlestar Galactica all over again.
foxuzamaki
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That's not a retcon at all, it was never explained how C3PO was created
JetBlackPanda
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It was predictable yes. Anyone that fallows Star Wars knew that if solo was in this movie he was a goner.
However to have his kid ( confused by the light and dark side ) cut him down wasn't something I saw coming. I really think it's a good way to give kylo some real hatred
MrPressStart
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I thought and think Kylo Ren is perfectly cast. He is obviously power hungry and a fan of the sith lore. He has his own style and he is still young in this movie.
Don't agree with this analysis, but I sure hope Driver grows out some facial hair for the sequel and Ren returns a lot more sure of himself, the left pic looks good.
The one on the left was literally created in this movie. He even has a scar across his face now.
bananafactory
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I love his current appearance. It's a lovely fuck you to the "cool badass dude" look most villains get.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Who is the first order? How big are they? Are they a small group of insurgents who only occupy Starkiller base or are they an actual government and controls planets?
Who is the Republic? How big are they? Do they control the entire galaxy like the old republic/empire or just that one solar system we see destroyed? Why should we care about them? What is their relationship with the Resistance?
These are basic questions that should have been answered and could have been answered without resorting to talk about trade federations.
Bobby Roberts
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Star Wars and physics have never, ever gotten along. Haven't since 1977.
TheKaeptain
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Force Ghost can only communicate with Jedi right?
SW isn't Sci Fi. It's fantasy.
tattooed_dwarf
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It's weird that people need character to look evil, like stereotypical evil to take him seriously.
Definitely true. The fact that we and everyone else is talking so much about him shows he already has more depth then any other villain so far. And it means there's room for him to grow into something else going forward.
Bobby Roberts
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"How can you expect me to take this fanboy pindick seriously? He looks like me!"
Jacksinthe
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Its more realistic to absorb energy from a neighboring Star than it is to stop photons of light exactly 36 inches from an emitter AND make them solid in a 1 inch diameter.
Lightsaber physics beats energy absorption by a million light years.
Calamari41
41 > 38
I'm not sure how it works regarding light vs dark, but Ben was communicating with Luke well before becoming an actual Jedi.
I disagree because none of those questions have any impact on the story that was told.
Everything you see in the movie can happen the same way whether you know the First Order has 1000 or 1 million Storm Troopers or if the Republic is the entire galaxy or 5 star systems.
It really, REALLY, doesn't impact anything and would be completely useless, padding exposition for the sake of exposition when these kind of only hardcore fan important details can be delivered much better in other material like novels and such.
lastplayed
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Yeah, it's the ones who don't look evil that disturb me the most. Kylo without his mask looked perfect.
The One and Done
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Exactly. Is a childish expectation to be honest.
Lifejumper
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Can we all agree that JJ abrams is one of the all time greats in terms of casting? Star Trek reboot, Star Wars, the children in Super 8 ...
Starphoenix
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Everyone saying Solo dying predictable: even though I knew the minute he stepped onto that corridor what was going to happen it did not lessen the emotional impact that it had. I figured Solo would die, but I DID NOT expect his own son to slay him like that. The whole scene carried a feel of tragedy that sucked the oxygen out of the room, and even though I've never been a big Star Wars guy I could feel my heart pumping a bit harder after Kylo finally crossed that point of no return.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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They sure as hell do. Context gives weight to actions. I had no reason to care about the 5-destroyed planets because there was no context given to them, and as such, I didn't give much of a shit of whether the protagonist's succeeded or failed in destroying Death Star v3.
Fake Edit: Although there are several reasons for me feeling that way, but the lack of context absolutely hurt the narrative imo.
The One and Done™;190019096 said:
Sadly we have been conditioned to want this
Alright, let's quickly play your "why should I care?" game:
We saw one scene. That scene was in a very large looking city. Probably (by our real world estimates) a city with a couple million people in it,right? And we saw a quick glimpse that showed us "yeah hey there are people here this isn't an empty planet or something". Now, since from your point of view we need to be told or shown things, we will say for the sake of argument that only that city we saw with those people existed. The other planets were all empty.
So the First Order just wiped out a couple million people with one shot. Just like that. Innocent people who had no role in this conflict.
Again, millions of people dead in the blink of an eye.
And you ask "Why should I care?"
You can't see how stopping them from maybe, I don't know, killing some more people could be a thing to root for the protagonists for?
Like, how is this a point of discussion? Why do I even need to fucking write "basic empathy moron" in a post?????
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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No, the scene where the republic is destroyed would have been so much more meaningful if they actually explained who the republic is and what is going on.
It's the difference between someone making a movie where Switzerland gets destroyed vs a movie where Europe gets destroyed. They are obviously both tragedies but so much more is known by adding context.
Glass Shark
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on one side you have Star Wars fans who idolized Vader and want everything to be dark and brooding and evil and covered with scars
on the other side you have Star Wars fans who want good movies
on the other side you have Star Wars fans who want good movies
Admiral Woofington
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do we have a confirmed director for the sequel yet?
My friend said Justin Lin but I think he was joking about the new Star Trek.
My friend said Justin Lin but I think he was joking about the new Star Trek.
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