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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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JetBlackPanda
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Why are you so caught up in the galactic situation? Am I way off base? The film is about our new characters.
I will echo the enjoyment of stormtroopers being more humanized as a positive.
I felt it added a lot to the movie.
The stormtrooper that died and caressed Finn's face with his bloody hand, presumably a chum.
The best instance, the stormtrooper who yells out "Traitor!", also presumably an acquaintance at least, and then intensely clashes with Finn for the best fight a stormtrooper has had.
The two stormtroopers who carefully backed away as Kylo Ren wrecked his own consoles.
The stormtroopers who stopped their investigation to watch Han and Ben have a nice chat on a poorly guarded walkway.
It was so lively!
I felt it added a lot to the movie.
The stormtrooper that died and caressed Finn's face with his bloody hand, presumably a chum.
The best instance, the stormtrooper who yells out "Traitor!", also presumably an acquaintance at least, and then intensely clashes with Finn for the best fight a stormtrooper has had.
The two stormtroopers who carefully backed away as Kylo Ren wrecked his own consoles.
The stormtroopers who stopped their investigation to watch Han and Ben have a nice chat on a poorly guarded walkway.
It was so lively!
One of the more iconic moments of the film, no less.
Not to mention that Jinn actually couldn't physically manifest himself anyway (except on Mortis where the force was particularly strong), only able to get his voice through.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Bingo!
I think the problem with leaving out all the politics stuff is that there was VERY LITTLE world building in this movie. You got one desert planet, then a random cantina...and that's pretty much it.
Very underwhelming.
JetBlackPanda
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Nevermind I read that wrong
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No way is Kylo turning back.
But Rey going dark side for a bit when she finds out Kylo killed her parents, likely, and Finn brings HER back.
It's Johnson's worst reviewed film.
I'm honestly worried about him directing episode VIII. I think a lot of what people call plot holes in TFA are mysteries for later or things simply left up to interpretation.
Johnson though? This is a guy that had his script literally ask the viewing audience to just ignore that the time travel mechanics of Looper are nonsensical. So yeah.
It could be OK in that he's writing/directing in a controlled environment, not off on his own lark. In that sense, it's probably better to compare his Breaking Bad work and that's all very good!
Admiral Woofington
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Oh I was joshing around since both Brick and Looper were dark in their own respective manner. But cool I'll add it to my list.
Loved the movie, even better the 2nd time because I wasn't so fixated on where the fuck was Luke Skywalker.
Just one question... when Rey was walking up High Hrothgar I mean Jedi Steps, any one figured out what are those junk/tiny boxes on the ground? Was Luke just littering or are those some Easter Eggs?
Just one question... when Rey was walking up High Hrothgar I mean Jedi Steps, any one figured out what are those junk/tiny boxes on the ground? Was Luke just littering or are those some Easter Eggs?
Don't forget Hosnian Prime. Never forget!!
JetBlackPanda
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I'm worried the film jumps ahead and we miss some of that Rey and Luke action.
Blargonaut
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Han and Chewie should have tag-teamed the shit out of Kylo Ren in an all-out melee brawl on that catwalk while Han screams the space-equivalent of "Clean up your room" while Kylo screams "Get out, dad, get out" then Chewie eventually gets tired and fires his laser-crossbow twice then Kylo gets hit once but deflects the other shot into Han with his poor-saber then Han keels over off the catwalk from the pain of betrayal, bloody Kylo laughs and thanks Chewie while being dragged off against his will by a mass Stormtrooper rescue force while Chewie dodges the hail of suppressive fire behind a pillar and we get a zoom on his hairy tearful face and that's how Han should have died better
MisterHero
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It's fine they revealed Kylo's identity early on. It was a good move not to pull the same thing that ESB did.
What's even better was that Han calling Ben by his real name still had a little shock and revelation to it.
OricWindstar
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So overlooked. Rian is 3 for 3.
I think they just trust in people to care about the characters, trust in the viewers to care about what happens because they care about the characters. Even in ANH, they destroy an entire planet and you go "meh" then they kill Obi-Wan and you go "NOOOOOO". The story has never been about trying to create a Republic governed by a Senate of democratically elected senators. It's about good guys bringing down the bad guys, and TFA is about that and I hope Ep.8 and 9 continue to be about that. They can expand on the Republic in a novel or comic book.
ANH had a 1 minute political talk, but did anyone listen to what was said? Did anyone care? That scene is ONLY memorable because of Vader force choke.
brandonh83
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"but its just a remake of empire!"
Eh...kinda iffy on Looper. That movie has a plot hole as huge as the Starkiller.
The One and Done
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Anyone who complains about Rens depth must have loled at Vader in ANH
Yeah loved this stuff
Messypandas
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This is why its bemusing to hear the prequels were ruined by trade negotations and shit. The OT had that stuff too, it was just handled exceptionally well. Like this above scene. It handles the heirachery between 3 levels of characters whilst relaying important information about the political system, the new superweapon and vaders religion.
Hari Seldon
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Adam Driver is a great actor but when he pulled the helmet off I thought it was fucking Screech from Saved by the Bell.
ANH had less than a minute of it.
Prequels had like 15-20 minutes of it combined.
Huge difference.
Also the lines in ANH were delivered with throwaway importance. In the prequels the lines were given major focus in the scenes.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Context is what allows us to care about the characters. We saw what the planet meant to Leia, and that's why its destruction had merit, while also showcasing its impact on Leia.
TFA had none of that, and so I didn't give a damn that Death Star XP could destroy 5 meaningless planets at the same time
Exactly, lol.
His character was ruined the moment he took off the helmet. He's a joke now. People were literally laughing when that happened.
MassiveNights
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I took Ren noticing Finn and singling him out as part of his own insecurities i.e. he knew deep down ordering his stormtroopers to massacre the villagers was beyond the pale.
When Finn defected he knew straight away which stormtrooper it was because part of him wants to defect too.
That's why I found Kylo Ren screaming "TRAITOR" at Finn in the forest after killing his father so powerful.
Hmm.. no one in my four showings was literally laughing.
His character without the mask is fine. I blame modern hollywood on giving every leading/major part to a pretty boy.
I thought that was great actually. The helmet is just a facade to scare people into thinking he's the new Vader, but really he's a conflicted little baby man who wants to prove himself, so when Rey provoked him about hiding behind a mask, he felt he had to prove himself by taking it off.
Admiral Woofington
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They'll clearly do a Hercules montage.
"I'm down to one last A NEW HOPE and that A NEW HOPE is you!"
"But darling you ain't exactly a dreaaaaaaaaaaaaam come trueeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
Davey Cakes
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I thought Adam Driver showed that you don't have to look evil to be evil.
I got more out of his behavior than his looks. That's an accomplishment.
I got more out of his behavior than his looks. That's an accomplishment.
I do have to say one thing that bothers me about Finn:
He literally goes from "I am shocked by this fellow stormtrooper bleeding out and touching me and all the death around me happening" to "I will shoot these Tie Fighter lasers into big piles of my former comrades, many of whom I have spent every day since I was a kid with.
It doesn't really matter in any way,it's a movie, but I did kinda have it in the back of my head as the scenes happened.
He literally goes from "I am shocked by this fellow stormtrooper bleeding out and touching me and all the death around me happening" to "I will shoot these Tie Fighter lasers into big piles of my former comrades, many of whom I have spent every day since I was a kid with.
It doesn't really matter in any way,it's a movie, but I did kinda have it in the back of my head as the scenes happened.
Nobody was laughing in mine.
MisterHero
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Several billion people died during The Force Awakens
Everything the Jedi/Rebels/Resistance lived and fought for was for naught!!
Everything the Jedi/Rebels/Resistance lived and fought for was for naught!!
JetBlackPanda
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I had no problems with his appearance at all. What is he supposed to look like?
Although in my theater some people laughed out loud when he took his helmet off
You don't have to insult someone's memory because you don't know the canon
1- The Jedis predate the Republic.
2- All clones were decomissioned and cheaper recruits were used in their place after the rise of the Empire, this is an important plot point in "STAR WARS: Rebels", most clones worked the docks after that
3- See 2
4- Force sensitivie children show different abilities at a young age, super reflexes, moving stuff with their mind subconciously, and having visions of the past/ future, you see this in The Phantom Menace, The Clone Wars, and Rebels
5- They worked together in The Clone Wars, mostly through Padme though. And they work together again in ROTS with the mission to stop the order 66 trap.
6- It's a giant spaceship, there's gotta be a LOT more than what was shown in ANH.
7- He does.
8- He didn't, he specifically tells Luke who she is in Episode VI. If that is a problem, then it's a problem with the original trilogy itself.
9-"He was already a great pilot when I met him", when he met him, he had already won the Pod race at age 9.
10- It wasn't with Anakin, but with Obi-Wan, Star Wars #10 states that Uncle Owen confronted Obi-Wan and refused to let him train him after what happened with Anakin.
11-Watch the movie, he hates it, during The Clone Wars TV Show he states several times that being in a war is making them loose themselves, and he states it once again in ROTS. His teaching is no less valid just because he had to act against it at some point of his life.
12-Vader hates Tattooine so much that he'd never step foot on it, and the last name thing is a problem that comes from the original, as Luke wasn't Vader's son until the second script for Empire.
13-He was focused on his game with 3p0 and was more concerned about the massive ragequit he was planning
14- Probably one of the few legitimate complaints, but it's simply a matter of 80's tech not being able to give R2 much to work with. Just pretend they got damaged at some point geez.
15- The Empire was just starting out by the time of the first one, with second one, they could take whatever they need from anyone aand everywhere. This is a gigantic nitpick IMO.
16 - The Clone Wars TV show, and the beginning of Revenge of the Sith, also being a whiny teen doesn't make you a bad person in the eyes of your parents.
17 - Yoda trains ALL younglings personally and when they get the basic abilities they become Padawans, a Jedi Master takes them from Yoda and starts giving them on the field experience (AOTC/The Clone Wars/Kanan: The Last Padawan)
18 - Jedi's were taken from their homes at age 3 (The Clone Wars) to prevent them from forming attachments early on. Anakin was attached to his mother, and Luke to his friends.
19 - Dated a Queen and became Imperial Senator of Naboo (The Clone Wars)
20 - There's imperial millitary on Tatooine, did you missed half the movie?
21 - Jedi Master Robes are traditionally fashioned like the clothes of the poorest people in the galaxy, to show they must be humble.
22 -Deactivated and Scrapped, some of their parts are used by the rebellion to get info that might help against the empire (Rebels)
23 - Yoda prioritized teaching Jedi wisdom to him, same as Ben, most of his fighting abilities are self taught( that can be seen in the new STAR WARS comics),Also Luke is nowhere near Yoda level to pull that move off.
24 - The empire has dark side using agents called "Inquisitors" which are deliberately teached just the basics of the dark side, the emperor kills them if they ever start getting near amateur sith level. (This is from Star Wars Rebels)
25- You try living in that empire controlled poor desert for 22 years
26 - Imperial propaganda and misinformation against the Jedi were very common during those years.
27 - Technically, the TIE Fighters are the next version of Jedi Starfighters Mk II. and Star Destroyers come from Republic Star Cruisiers. The technology aesthetic you see on the Death Star is top tech, and was being used during times of the repuplic for millitary facilities (The Clone Wars)
28 -He doesn't remember OWNING a droid. said with a snarky smile...
29 - Protocol droids and astromechs have a standard design, the clone wars and the PT show a shitload of them, same design...can you tell apart 2 toasters of the same brand?
30 - He does eventually in the old EU, in the new one R2 is kind of a dick and just lets go of bits and pieces every once in a while.
31 - His training for force immortality was incomplete, he can't manifest as a body, just as a voice, this voice is heard in AOTC and the explanation itself is given in the clone wars.
32 - He pretty much fulfilled the entire checklist with his return to the light, he accepted his own faults, rejected the easy path and accepted his death without any attachments to material stuff. Also he's the chosen one.
33 - Oh come the fuck on...80% of Obi-Wan's speech becomes bullshit by Empire Strikes back, he even says to Lukes face he was trolling in ROTJ, hardly a fault of the prequels.
34 - There's an entire 121 episode TV series on that one.
35 - Mocking him, he was a Sith lord in the script since 1977.
36 -.....Wow...really? he was defeated, it's clear he meant it as "I was overconfident last time, this time, I will kill you"
37- Again most of what Obi-Wan tells luke in ANH is pure BS even before the prequels.
Wow...answering this was sad ):, I´m not really proud of all this SW knowledge.
For people constantly claiming that OT questions don't need answers you sure make a lot of questions
Rian Johnson wrote the script and will direct Épisode VIII, release date: 26th May 2017
"I do not care that millions/billions of people lose their lives unless you tell me why I should care about them"
bravo *claps*
Nice catch. He did say "TRAITOR" with a lot of emotion. Almost like he was jealous of Finn for it.
Blargonaut
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I also still stand by my deepest fanfic desire that that CQC moment should have been a Finn vs. Phasma fight, not Finn vs. random goon.
While the hint that the random goon was once an acquaintance of Finn was pretty good, that scene was the perfect opportunity for a good display of Phasma's capability, as she was sorely underutilized throughout.
WadiumArcadium
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Nor mine.
Admiral Woofington
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The thing, as previously mentioned, he didn't put that much though into Looper's time travel mechanics and was just using it anyways to tell the story he wanted to.
In Star Wars' case, he can't just ignore everything because he has reviewers and teams reading his material, so he can't just ignore massive plot holes.
Icyflamez96
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Man I hoped so hard that they tried to make it look obvious that he was going to die without actually going through with it. I still have to let some things sink in. I like how Kylo was trying to be like his grandfather (but not quite living up), and being a sort of poser under his mask. Still, don't know how I feel about him crossing the line of no return. I hope he at least takes over his master at some point rather than letting himself be taken advantage of the whole time. Well idk how I feel really. I guess I would have rather he actually just came to the light side.
Maybe Luke in the future will tell him that Darth Vader came to the light side in the end and it will change the way Kylo feels about things.
This just annoying and stupid. It's such a dense and ignorant critique
Charles Foster Kane
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Few things.
1. Daisy Ridley is a star. 2. Finn was fucking thirsty. 3. I loved how they made the force look.
1. Daisy Ridley is a star. 2. Finn was fucking thirsty. 3. I loved how they made the force look.
Some of us are interested in various different things in Star Wars. For quite a lot of fans, the political element is important.
That was one of my favorite scenes, even as a kid, even outside of the Vader choke, because it gave us more detail on the war. It was great worldbuilding, and it turned out to be a pivotal moment for the new Marvel comics actually since the entire reason for Tagge being promoted after the Battle of Yavin was what he said at that meeting.
Different people have different opinions about what is interesting. I could read an entire book about Coruscant court politics all day and I'd probably enjoy it more than random Han Solo adventure #56. I know I'm in the minority about that, but that doesn't really matter to me. I still feel like TFA would have benefitted from giving us more insight into Hosnian Prime so that its destruction actually meant something.
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