bananafactory
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The whole track is awesome but the part that starts at 1:28, just...wow. Perfect.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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The whole track is awesome but the part that starts at 1:28, just...wow. Perfect.
How the fuck is "the character is lying" a convoluted explanation? The OT itself establishes that Obi Wan was giving bullshit explanations or playing on technicalities all the time.
And the last part of your post is whiny, completely unnecessary and downright lame. C'mon...
Dubbedinenglish
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The Knights of Ren still need to be a thing. So I doubt Kylo gets dead anytime soon.
My imagination filled-in the gaps when Obi Wan Kenobi mentioned the Clone Wars.
No one in my theatre laughed.
And my daughter had a telling smirk on her face when he unmasked himself. 🙄
Blargonaut
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nah
It has to be Rey with a lightshiv
The final battle is Kylo Ren getting shivved to death by a furious Rey
No, but whatever they blew up was considered the New Republic capital so same idea.
However, apparently the Republic rotates their capitals on some basis that I'm unclear of.
Thats what I said, you're relying on everything that is still canon thats come out since ANH to fill in the gaps of the movies. 6 movies and hundreds of tv episodes.
We are in a new period of the timeline and there is little to flesh out what information we were given. It will come eventually.
howdyjacker
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My favorite thing about this movie. Made the whole universe feel different.
Davey Cakes
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Everything about Snoke is awful.
Him alone docked an entire point off this movie for me.
Man, I agree. Their approach to the force is mostly excellent in TFA.
Or Finn + Rey defeat next-level-Kylo, and Luke destroys the Force to prevent Jedi and Sith from manipulating the force ever again :O
Bobby Roberts
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People uncomfortable with seeing a real creep be really creepy without any Hollywood bullshit mitigating it.
I like it.
"He doesn't even look like a real bad guy. He looks like me when I'm taking my Star Wars cosplay super serioushheeyyyy wait a minute..."
I like it.
"He doesn't even look like a real bad guy. He looks like me when I'm taking my Star Wars cosplay super serioushheeyyyy wait a minute..."
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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I'm not really sure why you would even need a weapon that can blow up a solar system
I mean most solar systems don't even have a habitable planet. Most of them that do only have one habitable planet. Why not just build a Death Star and blow up the one planet? If you were trying to destroy Earth why would you destroy Mars, Mercury, and Venus?
bananafactory
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I blame video games
CreepingFear
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I admit that I thought they blew up Coruscant based on the building they showed. I had to come to GAF for someone to tell me what the real planet was.
They're bad guys.
He was trained from birth to be a Stormtrooper and has that melee weapon fight with the trooper when they attack the castle. I presumed, therefore, that Stormtroopers are trained in hand to hand and melee weapon combat.
I imagine that the force helps. I don't see Finn deflecting any blaster bolts, for example, but he can use it as a simple laser sword.
People too used to star wars being video games or fanfics for all this time
BrokenFiction
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As soon as he said that I knew that this movie was going to be different in a great way.
BattleMonkey
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Was great, just a few nitpicks.
1.) Soundtrack was really forgettable, one of the weakest SW soundtracks so far.
2.) Snoke, err just seemed out of place, looked awful, and they left so much unknown about him. Really would have preferred they kept him more hidden till they would give a better reveal along with more solid background.
3.) Starkiller base. They really don't explain well it's capabilities... yea it blows up some planets, but they really don't give a good indication of what kind of range the weapon has. It's built into an actual planet? So it's not mobile? It doesn't need to be mobile? With how long it takes to use, wouldn't it just be a giant target for a fleet or ships to take out, seeing as the First Order apparently had one ship in orbit to protect it?
1.) Soundtrack was really forgettable, one of the weakest SW soundtracks so far.
2.) Snoke, err just seemed out of place, looked awful, and they left so much unknown about him. Really would have preferred they kept him more hidden till they would give a better reveal along with more solid background.
3.) Starkiller base. They really don't explain well it's capabilities... yea it blows up some planets, but they really don't give a good indication of what kind of range the weapon has. It's built into an actual planet? So it's not mobile? It doesn't need to be mobile? With how long it takes to use, wouldn't it just be a giant target for a fleet or ships to take out, seeing as the First Order apparently had one ship in orbit to protect it?
I'd be so down for lightsaber-God of War antics
Anyone can use a lightsaber. It has a button on it.
Nah, I don't think you have to be a force user to use a lightsaber.
But I am still salty Finn isn't force sensitive.
Scientist Supreme!
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It's so odd that 3 of 4 Villains don't seem interesting or menacing in anyway.
1)Captain Phasma never fires her gun and has like four lines throughout the film. She just gives up to Finn, Chewie and Han at gun point with no action to escape or resist. I really don't know what they're going to do with character. She can't magically turn into a badass because wondering where that was last time.
2) General Hux doesn't really leave much of a impression on you. I guess he's suppose to be a Tarkin type but doesn't have that ruthlessness that Peter Cushing brought.
3) Supreme Leader Snoke is kinda a typical one note villain that sits in his big chair and tells his lackeys to do stuff. Not unlike the emperor in the OT but it's kinda disappointing they didn't dive deeper into his relationship with Kylo or his motives. He also didn't look great or have a particularly interesting design.
1)Captain Phasma never fires her gun and has like four lines throughout the film. She just gives up to Finn, Chewie and Han at gun point with no action to escape or resist. I really don't know what they're going to do with character. She can't magically turn into a badass because wondering where that was last time.
2) General Hux doesn't really leave much of a impression on you. I guess he's suppose to be a Tarkin type but doesn't have that ruthlessness that Peter Cushing brought.
3) Supreme Leader Snoke is kinda a typical one note villain that sits in his big chair and tells his lackeys to do stuff. Not unlike the emperor in the OT but it's kinda disappointing they didn't dive deeper into his relationship with Kylo or his motives. He also didn't look great or have a particularly interesting design.
CreepingFear
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Ben is like those people that open carry with their guns and hang outside of Mosques to intimidate people. They haven't fought in a real war or anything like that.
eyeball_kid
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Man I love Tarkin. He's so so so much better than the new commander and his trying-to-channel Hitler speeches. And this scene does a much better job setting up the status of the conflict than anything in TFA. There are details that are kept vague, but hint at just enough of the political situation to make things understanding. I find Abrams' lack of faith in the audience disturbing.
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I think it works better by Ren being killed at the end of VIII, and Rey fleeing afterwards, leaving this cliffhanger with us wondering what will happen to her.
But in IX she's unable to defeat him, he makes her realize she has already lost everything/you failed your training/Luke and Han died because of you/without me you will destroy yourself/, etc. and kind of succeeds until Finn shows up and brings her to her sense or something. Finn didn't use the lightsaber for nothing, it's so he can use it again at the end
At least you recognize you're in the minority.
Didn't Marvel publish a line of comics, and there were a few novels released this summer, specifically to give nerds all these details so they didn't have to cover those bases in the movie?
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VistraNorrez
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But they did a terrible job of guarding him. When Finn frees Poe the other Stormtrooper doesn't even question it. In ANH when they try to pass off Chewie as a prisoner transfer, the Imperial Officers doesn't buy it decides to verify it and there are quite a few Imperials in the cell block.You also have Finn and Poe walking past a ton of FO people and none of them double take at the most valuable prisoner on the ship?
Agree with others saying Snoke was the worst part of the movie. The giant projection was dumb and I didn't like his look. Felt too over the top, would have preferred for him to just be a voice of something. Reveal his form when Ren goes to complete Sith training in VIII.
That being said, I love Ren as a villain. Unhinged, creepy, moments of pure badassery, surprisingly well done overall.
That being said, I love Ren as a villain. Unhinged, creepy, moments of pure badassery, surprisingly well done overall.
Bobby Roberts
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it was a short 300 worder for print, and you've probably picked up on most of the points through conversation here.
Basically, it's a very pretty mashup/mixtape of the entire Original Trilogy, with interesting new interpretations of classic Star Wars characterizations and moments, lacking the emotional punch it's reaching for, but setting a very nice table for Rian Johnson to eat from, so the future of the series can go in an interesting place.
It's essentially a slightly lesser Star Wars movie than Star Trek 09 was.
They shoulda just had Giacchino score it.
lastplayed
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Very disappointed indeed.
MisterHero
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jstevenson
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lots of ticky tacky shit in that list. You can easily imagine explanations to most of it.
Nobody is "refusing to admit that Lucas wasn't infallible". It's just that Star Wars canon is a living thing, not something set in stone between 1977 - 1983, so retcons (which have been at the bedrock of the franchise since Vader suddenly became Luke's father) are valid and fair to use to explain away canonicity issues. Retcons are fun.
We're just explaining why the PT and OT can both be canon.
I think it works better by Ren being killed at the end of VIII, and Rey fleeing afterwards, leaving this cliffhanger with us wondering what will happen to her.
But in IX she's unable to defeat him, he makes her realize she has already lost everything/you failed your training/Luke and Han died because of you/without me you will destroy yourself/, etc. and kind of succeeds until Finn shows up and brings her to her sense or something. Finn didn't use the lightsaber for nothing, it's so he can use it again at the end
Regarding your Rey turning darkside theory, how bleak would it be to end this trilogy with a Rey vs Finn lightsaber duel?
The whole thing just struck me as been there done that.
Desert planet, find droid, escape planet, major planet destroyed by Death Star, rebels rally, Force is strong in this one, sith guy kills new Jedi's mentor, trench run to blow up Death Star, Sith guy narrowly escapes... i get they wanted to go for a ANH vibe, but its almost exactly the same story beats. They even went to a damn cantina.
From a galactic perspective losing a planet would be like losing a city. They really didn't have time to mourn, they had to go after the base. My guess is they are saving the aftermath of that for the next movie. I mean the first death star had many thousands of people on it and no one gave a damn.
As for Han, Leia reacted, but it was odd that upon returning, Chewie didn't. I don't think it defies explanation though. I think they were trying to avoid making the first act depressing. As with everything else, the journey continues.
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General Hux and Snoked are both cartoons. Hux didn't bother me much, but Snoke was straight disappointig and uninteresting.
CreepingFear
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I was disappointed with the score as well, but a couple things have really been growing on me: The Jedi Steps and Rey's theme. Maybe I'm just thinking about the movie emotionally when hearing the tracks.
Bobby Roberts
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I like it.
Those are easily the two best things about that score.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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No, Marvel published a bunch of comics that take place after EP IV. There's been one Marvel comic and one novel that deal with the immediate aftermath of ROTJ but nothing that sheds light on what's going on 30 years later.
MassiveNights
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Snoke felt really Voldemort to me. Not in a good way.
Basketball
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He looks like a coward
They used their screentime to create 1 really interesting villain instead of 4 somewhat interesting ones. Which I think was a good choice. Snoke is like the Emperor, almost invisible in ANH, but will get more prominent. Phasma just looks cool, but supposedly has a big role in Ep.8.
Davey Cakes
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It was baffling. This movie had generally fantastic "alien" design and yet Snoke was completely boring.
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