i just want to know where a guy who was part of a pseudo nazi death cult since birth learned all his banter.
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i just want to know where a guy who was part of a pseudo nazi death cult since birth learned all his banter.
Eh if you've ever seen any bombing run videos on youtube, pretty much the same thing happens in real life
lastplayed
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You don't think German soldiers ever took part in a bit of banter? They aren't robots.
I have tons to nitpick about this film and yet I love it. I've seen it three times and I still love it. Easily 8.5-9/10 for and Top 3 SW films. I ship Finnrey and stan for Boyega. Oscar Isaac is my new man crush.
I wouldn't be critical of this film if I didn't love it enough to put in the effort, and that's generally the impression I get from others that are more critical of the film. They love the film but have issues with it and want to talk about those issues.
Edit: You caught it, haha.
It's a new Star Wars film, of course it is going to be not picked to hell and back. I absolutely love it but have still been nitpicking things since I got back from the theater today.
I knew that people were going to spoil the movie on the 16/17th so I did a total blackout and I knew it was going to be impossible to be online and not get spoiled on the 18th.
I didn't watch this big streamer's Twitch broadcast because I knew it was going to be spoiled on the 17th and it turns out that's exactly what happened. That streamer talked about how his chat spoiled the movie for him a day later.
On the 18th I saw multiple posts spoiling the movie on 4chan, Reddit, Twitch, Youtube and even on Neogaf.
Yeah, I hope so. I think we're all so forgiving because we realize this is just act 1 of a new giant saga. And it was fun as hell, depsite flaws.
Doing the same thing again is in no way sustainable for 3 movies, as we can see by a lot of reaction, a substantial group of people don't even think it is for 1. They've planted seeds for some real surprises coming our way, I hope this all has just been lulling into a false sense of security.
Vinsanity.
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Did I miss a scene where it shows Ren being saved before the Starkiller planet exploded? I swear he was laying down injured literally 5 minutes before the explosion? Is everyone just assuming he is still alive for Ep8....isn't there a damn good chance he is dead?
It's really not impressive to call Star Wars "corporate" at least. Like. That's been the whole thing for decades; see: Ewoks. If anyone's into Star Wars today they've already made their peace with its merchandise-driven corporatized identity. Or even appreciate it for that identity, Star Wars being a project like few others in scale.
Poe Dameron was great, I really loved his dynamic. He might have been a little *too* ace, but it didn't really matter.
Nitpicking: One thing that bothered me was the surprising amount of technical jargon in parts of this film, particularly surrounding the Millennium Falcon. I get it, Ray knows a lot about parts, she's a scrapper.
On Kylo Ren: I get what they're doing with him, but felt weird to have that in this movie rather than later. This film was simultaneously a remake of A New Hope while also realizing that it couldn't do that. Kylo Ren is, in some weird meta way, metaphorical for that situation. He wants to be vader, acts like vader, but ultimately isn't vader. Writing team knew they couldn't make another Vader, so he's not. I get it. My problem is less with him and more with Snoke, which is just a big mystery to a degree that I don't really care.
I think my bigger systematic problem with the film is the dynamic between the Republic, the Resistance, and the First Order. It was hard to tell just how the First Order had as much power as it did without the Republic stepping in, and instead just supporting a small band of scrappy "resistance" fighters. It's like they wanted the rebel alliance but couldn't really have that in a post "Jedi" world, but they still went ahead and did it because they wanted a scrappy little army instead of a big republic one. Felt weird. And yes, Starkiller base was really stupid. Totally rang tone deaf when they did another trench run but also kinda knew they couldn't re-create the trench run.
But these problems are not as major as I make them out to be. Just troubling. I enjoyed much of the film, and I was even surprised by some performances. The movie had a lot do: It had to reassure people that star wars was back while setting up a new conflict and easing off some of the baggage of the earlier films. I think it pretty much accomplished that, and it'll be interesting to see where it leads. I think I just wanted a bit more of a insular, complete movie.
Nitpicking: One thing that bothered me was the surprising amount of technical jargon in parts of this film, particularly surrounding the Millennium Falcon. I get it, Ray knows a lot about parts, she's a scrapper.
On Kylo Ren: I get what they're doing with him, but felt weird to have that in this movie rather than later. This film was simultaneously a remake of A New Hope while also realizing that it couldn't do that. Kylo Ren is, in some weird meta way, metaphorical for that situation. He wants to be vader, acts like vader, but ultimately isn't vader. Writing team knew they couldn't make another Vader, so he's not. I get it. My problem is less with him and more with Snoke, which is just a big mystery to a degree that I don't really care.
I think my bigger systematic problem with the film is the dynamic between the Republic, the Resistance, and the First Order. It was hard to tell just how the First Order had as much power as it did without the Republic stepping in, and instead just supporting a small band of scrappy "resistance" fighters. It's like they wanted the rebel alliance but couldn't really have that in a post "Jedi" world, but they still went ahead and did it because they wanted a scrappy little army instead of a big republic one. Felt weird. And yes, Starkiller base was really stupid. Totally rang tone deaf when they did another trench run but also kinda knew they couldn't re-create the trench run.
But these problems are not as major as I make them out to be. Just troubling. I enjoyed much of the film, and I was even surprised by some performances. The movie had a lot do: It had to reassure people that star wars was back while setting up a new conflict and easing off some of the baggage of the earlier films. I think it pretty much accomplished that, and it'll be interesting to see where it leads. I think I just wanted a bit more of a insular, complete movie.
eyeball_kid
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That was a nice shot. One of the few well-framed ship battle shots in the movie. But did not like Finn cheering him on, especially the, "That's one amazing pilot!" line. A bit cringeworthy.
MisterHero
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General Hux saved him and Han's body before they escaped
If you don't die on camera you aren't dead.
Snoke told Hux to retrieve Ren and bring him to him.
Snoke told Hux to go rescue Ren because he needed to finish his training. There's no chance he's dead since they're not going to kill Kylo Ren after all of his character development and them setting up Episode 8.
Without Kylo Ren there wouldn't be an episode 7 or episode 8.
Vinsanity.
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Seriously? Did I miss/forget that scene?
Kssio_Aug
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Totally disagree.
It is Star Wars, and of course part of the audience (if not the biggest part of it) are people who watched the 70 ~ 80 movies. Of course it was a good idea to bring some old elements back in attempt to revive the old feelings. It doesn't make the movie bad in any from though. They were capable to strengthen some of the old elements aswell, as making lightsabers more impactful, making the war feeling more severe (that "nazi-like" scene; the planets being destroyed, civilians being shot to death), taking storm troopers more seriously, making Darth Vader even a biggest of a legend (since Kylo Ren felt so strong but still clearly far from Darth Vader capabilities), and so on...
And, as any fictional movie (including the 1st trilogy) if search you're gonna find a lot of things to nitpick. It's totally okay to analyse stuff and try to understand certain aspects of it, but I believe people that are looking too much into it are preventing themselves to enjoy everything great the movie brought to the table!
MisterHero
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I lied about Hux having Han
Phasma has Han
Phasma has Han
kaiju
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Snoke tells Hux to go get Kylo to complete his training.
But yeah, J.J. should have shown the First Order escaping, instead it just shows the Resistance barely escaping before Starkiller implodes.
I mean, Phasma was trapped in a fucking garbage chute. But I'm certain she survived.
Snoke told Hux to bring Ren back to him so he can "complete" his training. It's clear Ren wasn't dead. I have no idea about the Han thing.
VistraNorrez
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Have you paid attention to any fandom in the past few decades? It's what fans do, it's part of the fun of being a fan.
When it comes to criticism, it's far more important to be critical of things you like than things you don't. Nothing is perfect and holding up your favorite thing as perfect will actually limit your tastes.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Looking forward to seeing where they take Poe's character now that Han Solo is out of the way.
I guess people were expecting him to be scarred under the mask. A vader 2.0
Personally i think it's more disturbing that a kid has these powers and the will to do what he does.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
In carbonite, frozen before he bled out
Episode 8 will have another Death Star.
Except it'll be a Death Star Star. Like a Death Star built into a sun. The shield is powered by a shield generator on a nearby planet with minimal security. Chewie will lead the crew to disable the shields as he has the most experience doing this exact thing several times.
Don't worry, there will still be a trench run except this time the stakes are higher because there's lava everywhere.
eyeball_kid
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Yup, Phasma was Han's sidepiece. Rey is Han and Phasma's love child.
One shitty movie later and I see this thread is going off the rails.
Just an old dude.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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The bolded line made me laugh out loud for real
SOME of the old elements? It brought back literally every Star Wars trope that exists. The only thing we could think of that they didn't do was cut off someone's arm with a lightsaber.
Literally every other thing they could have copied from episodes 4-6 in some form, they did.
just some dude, it was
This is pretty much my exact attitude (but I ship Finnpoe).
The thing for me is this movie gets real close to excellent but doesn't quite get there. I have exactly zero qualms or complaints until Han shows up, I really was floored. It gestures at lots of ideas I like but flubs their execution.
Lmao "and Han's body".
Lor San Tekka. Check and early post of mine in this thread.
A true successor to Boba's greatness
Chewie will Hari Kari in the first scene of episode 7, 9 , whatever we are upto...
I liked that Star Wars was back, enjoyed Liam Neeson's role, was disgusted at Vader Jesus, was disappointed with the clearly wrong concept of the force via midi-chlorians, and thought they messed up some of the background set in the OT with the story of Episode 1. 16 years later, I feel the same way on the issues, but I do give it less of a pass now than I did at the time, since it's not the first Star Wars in 16 years.
Wow. It's been as long between Episode 1 and 7 as it was between RotJ and Episode 1. (0.0)
say what you will about the ewoks (and they were the weakest part of the OT), but their presence was way more organic than anything in TFA. you got to know a bit about them, their customs, their way of life.
in the TFA they quick made a go of world building on not tattooine then just said fuck it and floored it until they ran out of focus tested bestest moments in star wars ever.
The Technomancer
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kaiju
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Lor San Tekka. He is basically a retired traveler well-versed in the history of the Jedi and Empire and therefore very valuable to the Resistance. He was a member of the Church of Force during Emperor Palpatine's rule.
That would be dumb. The lightsaber being pulled off screen would not be dumb.
Dice
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It's a really heavy-handed way of telling us she's the new Anakin or Luke. A little too genius with mechanics, a little too much of a natural at piloting, enough to raise an eyebrow from an experienced guy like Solo. I like it when you take a step back perspective-wise because the dark side moves to build massive weapons, yet the Jedi hardly bother with technology at all. So it's cool to have these super strong force users with an affinity for droids and mechanics as a light side manifestation of using technology in a responsible way.
Scientist Supreme!
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Wow. Sounds like that should have been in the film...
The Technomancer
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Yup, Kylo Ren is great all around
Than you pretty much want backstory for every little thing and we'd be looking at a 5 plus hour movie.
The hardcore fans will know who he is if they want to.
Hasphat'sAnts
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I think a good portion of our appreciation for Star Wars also came from Empire answering most of the questions we had.
Gist of it is, I really really want to see Episode VIII.
Gist of it is, I really really want to see Episode VIII.
ReadingRambo
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Exactly. Every single character that appears on screen in a SW film has a name and backstory blurb somewhere for those that care.
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