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[Aiii]

Im talking in the movie we don't get to see any of that success,
Republic Capital is destroyed in its only 5-10 second scene.
Luke's Jedi group is shown already dead in a 5 second scene.

You're getting a movie every year from now on. About 10 comics every month. About two dozen books a year. And, no doubt, multiple TV shows and video games.

Movie came out last week.

If you want backstory, don't worry, you're getting it.

Did we need this movie to explain everything that's happened in the past 32 years in the 2 hours and 15 minutes it ran for? Nope. 32 years have passed and 32 years of shit happened before the movie starts, you're not going to get all the answers in one movie, nor would you want to, I believe.

 

[CrowdChant]

Well, I can't argue with that because Hayden did a terrible job. lol
I was just taken aback at the total lack of originality in regards to his character. With the mask, he's Vader from the OT (voice synthesized for emphasis). Without, he's Anakin from the PT (emo synthesized for emphasis). Well acted or not, the character came off as little more than an attempt to one-up the original.

I was afraid I wouldn't like Kylo Ren going into the movie, but he is already one of my favorite Star Wars characters. I love that he is trying to emulate Vader, even though he's ignoring the fact that Vader didn't choose to wear a mask or modulate his voice. I like that he's so obsessed with him that he copied those aspects from him. Meanwhile, he can't remain as calm and collected as Vader and instead lashes out frequently.

I also like how he's conflicted and struggles with the temptation of the Light Side. I think it's intriguing to watch a character in the Star Wars universe struggle with the Light Side trying to "seduce" him away from the Dark Side.

I thought the emotions that Driver displayed with the mask off were spot on. For me he really sold the conflict and emotionally instability of Kylo Ren.

 

[NekoFever]

A twist predictable 1 1/2 years before its reveal isn't really that much of a twist.

Well, they revealed that Han was going to die as soon as Harrison Ford agreed to do the movie.

 

[neorej]

If Rey is Luke's daughter, she'd be hidden away around the time Ben Solo rebelled against Luke. Luke would've hidden her on a desert planet where villains would not look, because that worked for him the last time. But instead of choosing a life of relaxing at a farm, she'd have to fend for herself for most her life, essentially training her in martial arts from childhood.

Only question that remains is, who is her mother?

 

[Carl2291]

Going to see it a 2nd time tomorrow, going to take my dad though.

Life long star wars fan. Excited to see his reactions.

 

[lastplayed]

What if Rey is a descendant from Palpatine's family? That would explain why she was hidden away.

That would make her a Nubian.

Naboobian?

 

[CrowdChant]

Well, they revealed that Han was going to die as soon as Harrison Ford agreed to do the movie.

I don't think they revealed it, it was just heavily speculated because Ford had wanted the character to die in ROTJ.

 

[Falk]

well, we'll have to blame the 30 year gap for that, though.
If TFA had been set 3 years after RotJ, i don't think they'd have gone as far with saying "yeah, we dun goof'd again"

Im talking in the movie we don't get to see any of that success,
Republic Capital is destroyed in its only 5-10 second scene.
Luke's Jedi group is shown already dead in a 5 second scene.

To put it in perspective, in the old EU, in the span of 30 years:

- Coruscant is retaken (war with Ysanne Isard)
- Whole campaign against Warlord Zsinj
- Thrawn's rise to power and death
- New Jedi Academy forms
- Corellian revolution
- Hand of Thrawn (best part of the EU really - tied everything up)
- ALIENS INVADE and are beaten back (Yuuzhan Vong - really 4 full arcs)

and those are just the major plotline/historical beats.

EP VII pretty much takes place around the same time that the Dark Nest trilogy would have.

That's a LOT of ground to cover in a single movie that's already telling its own story. I'm sure that the 30 year gap would get eventually filled out with new canon, but yeah, even with the Journey To EPVII publishing project expecting to have anywhere as rich, detailed and/or comprehensive of a lorebook in the span of a generation is a little bit of an ask.

 

[Chuckie]

Star Wars has been about Skywalkers and Solos both saving and destroying the gaksxy from the start.

I'm really hoping Rey is a Kenobi. It'd be fresh because of the above^ and there's a certain harmony to Luke belong her as Ben helped him.

It would feel really odd if she was a Kenobi. It would mean Obi-Wan has a son that was never ever mentioned at all.
I know it is possible but it would feel really unnatural to me.

 

[Aiii]

If Rey is Luke's daughter, she'd be hidden away around the time Ben Solo rebelled against Luke. Luke would've hidden her on a desert planet where villains would not look, because that worked for him the last time. But instead of choosing a life of relaxing at a farm, she'd have to fend for herself for most her life, essentially training her in martial arts from childhood.

Only question that remains is, who is her mother?

She wasn't really by herself though, I mean, she was left in the custody of the scrapyard owner and the character Sydow played at the start of the movie that used to know Ben Solo can't have been on the same planet nearby her by coincidence (and happen to own part of the map to Luke), right?

 

[KingSnake]

yeah, but that'd make it EVEN MORE of a rehash of Luke's story. Her being hidden away because she's the innocent child of the evil dude

That's only partially true, though. Luke was hidden away not to be found by Vader, but it is supposed to come from a Jedi family in the end. Even if Anakin turned to the Dark side, he is still pictured as partially good.

Palpatine is like the ultimate evil and the reason to hide her away would be quite different from Luke's.

 

[Squire]

It would feel really odd if she was a Kenobi. It would mean Obi-Wan has a son that was never ever mentioned at all.
I know it is possible but it would feel really unnatural to me.

He could've had a daughter. Luke could be Rey's father.

I see what you're saying though.

 

[KingSnake]

Rey being Luke's daughter would suck for almost every possible reason. It would be too obvious and it would make Luke a horrible father. Who gives away his daughter to become almost a slave of some kind?

 

[jelly]

I think the film was maybe a bit rushed and the starkiller base was a side show to what was happening on the ground, it could have been anything, just a pity they weren't creative at all but whatever they went with was a means to an end so if they were going to waste something for box ticking might as well be that tired idea. Don't think it ruined the film but a low point along with the freighter. Hopefully leaves them free to do interesting things with the sequels.

 

[kyser73]

Who's in charge now?

 

[Squire]

Rey being Luke's daughter would suck for almost every possible reason. It would be too obvious and it would make Luke a horrible father. Who gives away his daughter to become almost a slave of some kind?

It's preferable to bring dead and obviously the kids capable and turned out really well.

Luke being a bad father is some legit pathos though. The revelation is coming, but it need not be rosy.

 

[Sesuadra]

okay i feel stupid. I just can't a grip about how and what comics I should read. if I should buy the single issues or wait for the collection books and what now?

I've been out of the comic book loop since 18 years..hard to get back into it

 

[mrkgoo]

If Rey is Luke's daughter, she'd be hidden away around the time Ben Solo rebelled against Luke. Luke would've hidden her on a desert planet where villains would not look, because that worked for him the last time. But instead of choosing a life of relaxing at a farm, she'd have to fend for herself for most her life, essentially training her in martial arts from childhood.

Only question that remains is, who is her mother?

There was no mother. He carried her, he gave birth. I can't explain what happened.

 

[Agent Gibbs]

Can someone explain to me why anyone thinks Rey could be a Kenobi? at the start of TFA its 34 years since Obi Wan died, so given Rey's age she'd at best be a 3rd generation Kenobi
it would require Obi Wan either having an unheard of Brother/Sister with Rey being his neice
or
Obi Wan having a previously unmentioned family, who then have Rey and give her up so she is his Grand daughter

Obi Wan was a hermit in ANH, the clone wars never mentioned his family (as Jedi were taken at birth) , the only love interest in the Clone wars for him died 20 years before ANH

People don't want her to be a Skywalker because its too obvious, but a Kenobi is just a retconn disaster


I can see it playing out that Luke had a wife/Lover at the Jedi Temple (Mara Jade please) that was pregnant and during Ben/Ren's rampage Luke believed she died along with the child (if he even knew) and left for the first jedi temple to be a hermit out of extreme remorse and feelings of failure. Only the mother didn't die immediately and fled, had Rey and potentially out of fear of being found (or perhaps she was persued) left Rey on the first planet she could where she wouldn't be found, albeit not an idea planet
I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't turn out that the mother stayed on Jackuu and watched her and mirrors Obi-Wan in that respect

 

[lastplayed]

Who's in charge now?

Of what?

 

[kurahador]

okay i feel stupid. I just can't a grip about how and what comics I should read. if I should buy the single issues or wait for the collection books and what now?

I've been out of the comic book loop since 18 years..hard to get back into it

These are the ones that matters. Aftermath will be a trilogy apparently.

There's also that upcoming C3PO comic which I think will detailing about his red arm.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Going to see it a 2nd time tomorrow, going to take my dad though.

Life long star wars fan. Excited to see his reactions.

I wanna do the same next week.

 

[Aiii]

okay i feel stupid. I just can't a grip about how and what comics I should read. if I should buy the single issues or wait for the collection books and what now?

I've been out of the comic book loop since 18 years..hard to get back into it

It's easy, Marvel is putting out all new stuff since, well, 2015.

Here's the list of series that are considered canon:
Shattered Empire
Star Wars
Lando
Darth Vader
Kanan
Leia
Chewbacca

There's also Vader Down, a one-shot series.

Anyways, here's a timeline of each book: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_comics

 

[Nodnol]

I betcha Rey's mother was murdered in Kylo's attack on Luke's academy. Nice and tidy then.

 

[Atrophis]

If Rey is Luke's daughter, she'd be hidden away around the time Ben Solo rebelled against Luke.

I keep seeing people refer to this, even reviewers, but doesn't Leia say they he didn't train with Luke and that if he did, maybe he wouldn't have turned to the dark side? Maybe I misheard that part.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

You'd rather sit through an expose that details the political jousts that led to the rise of the First Order, trade boycotts and all?

I don't give a crap about the rise of the First Order, the book covers it fine.
Mon Mothma is a wimp and lets them get away.

But i'd like to maybe see a second of this thing that was the accomplishment of the OT before it gets instantly taken out.
Now its like why would I even care about the Republic in the books, it isn't directly involved in this conflict and gets destroyed in a single shot as a show of force.
Its meant to make you feel something from the First Orders threat but its glossed over so quickly like it was nothing.
Its even on a new planet created just for this movie

Alderaan is a different situation as it was never that important to anything and besides Leia's connection its just another planet,
though that one video "What if Episode 1 was good" had a good point that Naboo should have been Alderaan from the beginning.
(though im glad it wasn't as Naboo is one of the SW planets I find way more interesting.)

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Couldn't Rey's mother be Mara Jade? She's getting killed by a Solo, too.

 

[neorej]

I keep seeing people refer to this, even reviewers, but doesn't Leia say they he didn't train with Luke and that if he did, maybe he wouldn't have turned to the dark side? Maybe I misheard that part.

IIRC she said maybe he wouldn't have turned if they didn't send him away to train with his uncle.

 

[KooopaKid]

Saw it a second time last night. I liked it better than the first time. I just accepted things more. The movie flows quite well.

I still don't like/understand the map plot point. I hope it's explained in episode VIII but why R2D2 reactivates himself at the end?

 

[Squire]

Is it really so hard to fathom Ben having a relationship or even just a lover between ROTS and ANH? He didn't just sit around Tatooine for 30 years.

I betcha Rey's mother was murdered in Kylo's attack on Luke's academy. Nice and tidy then.

Yeah, I wanna say this is almost a given regardless of who the father is, but you never know!

 

[Toki767]

Couldn't Rey's mother be Mara Jade? She's getting killed by a Solo, too.

Is Mara Jade even in this new universe?

 

[kurahador]

Couldn't Rey's mother be Mara Jade? She's getting killed by a Solo, too.

She doesn't exist man. Let it go.

 

[Fliesen]

These are the ones that matters. Aftermath will be a trilogy apparently.

There's also that upcoming C3PO comic which I think will detailing about his red arm.

Oh, that was C3PO! I didn't recognize him because of the red arm!

anyone read Aftermath btw? Review's are saying it's kinda shittily written.
What about Before the Awakening?

 

[Deleted member 30609]

Saw it a second time last night. I liked it better than the first time. I just accepted things more. The movie flows quite well.

I still don't like/understand the map plot point. I hope it's explained in episode VIII but why R2D2 reactivates himself at the end?

that's the first time R2 was around Rey, I assume?

 

[CrowdChant]

I keep seeing people refer to this, even reviewers, but doesn't Leia say they he didn't train with Luke and that if he did, maybe he wouldn't have turned to the dark side? Maybe I misheard that part.

Earlier in the movie, Han talks about how an apprentice betrayed Luke.

 

[cantona222]

I noticed an error at the begining when Finn meets Rey and BB8. No one ever tells him that the droid is named BB8 only that it's a BB unit and Finn yells out "run BB8" when the Tie Fighters first show up.

That's a good catch 😉

 

[Gandie]

Excuse the stupid question. Where did Maz get Anakin's sabre? I thought it got lost when Luke fell?

 

[Lego Boss]

Saw it a second time last night. I liked it better than the first time. I just accepted things more. The movie flows quite well.

I still don't like/understand the map plot point. I hope it's explained in episode VIII but why R2D2 reactivates himself at the end?

Is it becasue he knows that there is a possibility that Skywalker can be found, i.e. the other map-piece is in BB8 and everyone will be looking for him now?

Not sure really, just specualtion as I'm clearly not as into the mythos as a lot of others on here.

 

[Fliesen]

Earlier in the movie, Han talks about how an apprentice betrayed Luke.

"a boy ... an apprentice ..."

which also rules out some of the more whacky theories that it wasn't Kylo Ren but Rey who flipped, which is why she was mind-wiped and sent away.

Excuse the stupid question. Where did Maz get Anakin's sabre? I thought it got lost when Luke fell?

"Good question. For another time." - Maz Kanata, The Force Awakens (2015)

(i love doing this)

 

[Squire]

Is Mara Jade even in this new universe?

Not yet, but of course nothing precludes her from being introduced. Kyle Ren is himself a version of Jacen Solo and they named him after Ben, so that's another thing lifted from the EU.

I've always expected that a few things would be lifted from the EU if for no other reason than they just make too much sense.

 

[Brazil]

anyone read Aftermath btw? Review's are saying it's kinda shittily written.

I liked it. Loved how the narrator's perspectives bounce back and forth all the time.

It doesn't reveal much, but it's interesting. A few tidbits about why the New Republic is how it is in the film here and there, too.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Is it really so hard to fathom Ben having a relationship or even just a lover between ROTS and ANH? He didn't just sit around Tatooine for 30 years.

Spoiler

joking

 

[neorej]

Maybe this has been explored before, so forgive if I bring it up again, but what are the odds of Snoke being Plagueis? I threw this around for fun the other day, but I found similar theories on the web, being supported by Snoke's theme on the soundtrack being similar to the background music when Palpatine is talking to Anakin about Plagueis in Revenge of the Sith.

 

[half a moon]

Excuse the stupid question. Where did Maz get Anakin's sabre? I thought it got lost when Luke fell?

That's a long story for another time.

 

[Atrophis]

Earlier in the movie, Han talks about how an apprentice betrayed Luke.

I remember that. Thats why I thought it was weird that Leia seemed to be saying it wasn't Ben because he didn't train with Luke. I guess I wasn't paying attention to what she was saying when discussing it with Han.

 

[Real Hero]

There's also that upcoming C3PO comic which I think will detailing about his red arm.

This is strangely exciting

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Oh, that was C3PO! I didn't recognize him because of the red arm!

anyone read Aftermath btw? Review's are saying it's kinda shittily written.
What about Before the Awakening?

About 80% through the audio book.
Its okay, Lost Stars was way better though.

 

[Atraveller]

Poe Dameron and the 20 good X-Wings.

Show is still the worst.

 

[KooopaKid]

Is it becasue he knows that there is a possibility that Skywalker can be found, i.e. the other map-piece is in BB8 and everyone will be looking for him now?

Not sure really, just specualtion as I'm clearly not as into the mythos as a lot of others on here.

Maybe but why even have a map in the first place? Or is it just the map of the first Jedi temple and it's assumed Luke is there?

 

[Gandie]

That's a long story for another time.

Riiight, I remember that line now. Although I couldn't think of anything other than Maz's AWFUL German dub whenever she talked. Dat Atmos though. Gonna see it again later this week in the original version.