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[Fliesen]

Maybe this has been explored before, so forgive if I bring it up again, but what are the odds of Snoke being Plagueis? I threw this around for fun the other day, but I found similar theories on the web, being supported by Snoke's theme on the soundtrack being similar to the background music when Palpatine is talking to Anakin about Plagueis in Revenge of the Sith.

the odds aren't too bad. It'd be a good fit.
It'd be a direct reference to Prequel canon, though. But they didn't shy away from making a reference to using clone troopers, so they're not all hardcore "can't touch any of the PT lore, even though it's officially canon"

Wasn't Plaegueis the one who could 'cheat death'?
The scars on his face could be the wounds of an attempted (and kinda succesful) murder by his apprentice.

 

[JeffZero]

Show is still the worst.

 

[NumberThree]

Maybe but why even have a map in the first place? Or is it just the map of the first Jedi temple and it's assumed Luke is there?

Yup.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Is Mara Jade even in this new universe?

She doesn't exist man. Let it go.

Mark my words when the put her in Episode 8..

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

The salary for Harrison Ford is the secret reason behind Han Solo's death.

I know this isn't serious but nah, more like Han's dying was part of the appeal for Ford to come back since he'd finally get what he wanted back in ESB, he's not exactly hurting for cash but agents are for negotiation and he's probably got a pretty good one.

These are the ones that matters. Aftermath will be a trilogy apparently.

There's also that upcoming C3PO comic which I think will detailing about his red arm.

I briefly checked Aftermath on Wookieepedia and yikes, they're citing Amazon reviews in the reception.

Couldn't Rey's mother be Mara Jade? She's getting killed by a Solo, too.

Is Mara Jade even in this new universe?

Nope, unfortunately and they don't seem to have any interest in EU creations though maybe they'll still use some on the story concepts which they kinda already are with Ben totally being their version of Jacen. She doesn't need to be Mara but like I've said several times before, I hate the idea of Luke being alone all this time.

 

[cantona222]

I sensed from the movie that Leia and Han were seperated for a long time (intentionally). So it seems weird that when they accidently meet they discuss important matters about their child and how Leia trusted Han on saving their child from the dark side.

Shouldn't this serious/important conversation between them be as a planned meeting rather than by accident?

 

[CrowdChant]

I remember that. Thats why I thought it was weird that Leia seemed to be saying it wasn't Ben because he didn't train with Luke. I guess I wasn't paying attention to what she was saying when discussing it with Han.

Han asks Leia something to the effect of, "If Luke couldn't reach him, how could I?" To which she replies, "Your his father."

She also references that she "lost" Ben when she sent him away (to train as a Jedi with Luke).

 

[RobbieNick]

Can someone explain to me why anyone thinks Rey could be a Kenobi? at the start of TFA its 34 years since Obi Wan died, so given Rey's age she'd at best be a 3rd generation Kenobi
it would require Obi Wan either having an unheard of Brother/Sister with Rey being his neice
or
Obi Wan having a previously unmentioned family, who then have Rey and give her up so she is his Grand daughter

Obi Wan was a hermit in ANH, the clone wars never mentioned his family (as Jedi were taken at birth) , the only love interest in the Clone wars for him died 20 years before ANH

People don't want her to be a Skywalker because its too obvious, but a Kenobi is just a retconn disaster


I can see it playing out that Luke had a wife/Lover at the Jedi Temple (Mara Jade please) that was pregnant and during Ben/Ren's rampage Luke believed she died along with the child (if he even knew) and left for the first jedi temple to be a hermit out of extreme remorse and feelings of failure. Only the mother didn't die immediately and fled, had Rey and potentially out of fear of being found (or perhaps she was persued) left Rey on the first planet she could where she wouldn't be found, albeit not an idea planet
I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't turn out that the mother stayed on Jackuu and watched her and mirrors Obi-Wan in that respect

In the Clone Wars series, we found out Obi-Wan once had an affair with the Queen of Mandalore (Jango Fett's homeworld). This means it's possible he had a child with her that she could have kept secret from him. (Jedi are not allowed to marry or sire children). Two generations later, BAM! Mandalorian Jedi princess Rey. And you know Disney loves their princesses.

 

[Sesuadra]

These are the ones that matters. Aftermath will be a trilogy apparently.

There's also that upcoming C3PO comic which I think will detailing about his red arm.

It's easy, Marvel is putting out all new stuff since, well, 2015.

Here's the list of series that are considered canon:
Shattered Empire
Star Wars
Lando
Darth Vader
Kanan
Leia
Chewbacca

There's also Vader Down, a one-shot series.

Anyways, here's a timeline of each book: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_comics

thank you both

 

[Fliesen]

I sensed from the movie that Leia and Han were seperated for a long time (intentionally). So it seems weird that when they accidently meet they discuss important matters about their child and how Leia trusted Han on saving their child from the dark side.

Shouldn't this serious/important conversation between them be as a planned meeting rather than by accident?

They sent him away to train with Luke. Ben went dark and killed people.

They most likely had a big fight blaming themselves, one another, Luke, Vader, everything. Han left, slammed the door behind him and never came back.

Han's not a good problem solver, nor is he good when things get emotional. He rather runs away / avoids from problems.

Like constantly being on the run from Jabba the Hutt, telling Leia he'd leave them alone when she reveals she 'loves' Luke.
His ability to just disappear when things get tough - It's what makes him a good smuggler.

Also, the discussion is rather a propos because Han had just SEEN their son. (at Maz Kanata's)

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Probably gathering dust in some hangar because they suck.

Nope

 

[eyeball_kid]

Excuse the stupid question. Where did Maz get Anakin's sabre? I thought it got lost when Luke fell?

Maz is a thousand year-old space pirate. I'm sure she has connections everywhere. If that lightsaber ended up in a drainage ditch on Bespin, she probably knew about it. I'm sure there's a more exciting story there, but that's the gist of it.

I really hope Maz survived the destruction of her base and joins forces with Lando and Chewie to take revenge for Han's death.

 

[Squire]

In the Clone Wars series, we found out Obi-Wan once had an affair with the Queen of Mandalore (Jango Fett's homeworld). This means it's possible he had a child with her that she could have kept secret from him. (Jedi are not allowed to marry or sire children). Two generations later, BAM! Mandalorian Jedi princess Rey. And you know Disney loves their princesses.

*record scratch*

Wait, WHAT? No wonder this order keeps dying out.

Luke needs to tear that page out of the book and burn it.

 

[Fliesen]

Maz is a thousand year-old space pirate. I'm sure she has connections everywhere. If that lightsaber ended up in a drainage ditch on Bespin, she probably knew about it. I'm sure there's a more exciting story there, but that's the gist of it.

I really hope Maz survived the destruction of her base and joins forces with Lando and Chewie to take revenge for Han's death.

supposedly, she went along to the resistance base, but they cut those scenes.

Also, the last time we saw her, she was standing in the rubble, handing Finn the saber. So if she was wise, took cover and waited out the remaining 5 minutes until the First Order took off, she should still be alive.

She is. For sure. She's the "let me explain the world to you" wise old person aspect of Obi-Wan in this movie.

Maz+Han are this film's Obiwan
Luke will be next film's Yoda. Maz will remain the Obiwan character giving non-Jedi advice, i presume.

*record scratch*

Wait, WHAT? No wonder this order keeps dying out.

Luke needs to tear that page out of the book and burn it.

was this explicitly mentioned in pre-prequels lore, btw?
because Obiwan didn't make a big deal out of Luke being Anakin's 'forbidden' son.

Making the Jedi weird sexless monks is what made them a lot less likeable.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

In the Clone Wars series, we found out Obi-Wan once had an affair with the Queen of Mandalore (Jango Fett's homeworld). This means it's possible he had a child with her that she could have kept secret from him. (Jedi are not allowed to marry or sire children). Two generations later, BAM! Mandalorian Jedi princess Rey. And you know Disney loves their princesses.

I'd be all over this, that relationship was actually pretty good and would mean interesting things for Rey.

 

[Rawr Its Ry]

okay i feel stupid. I just can't a grip about how and what comics I should read. if I should buy the single issues or wait for the collection books and what now?

I've been out of the comic book loop since 18 years..hard to get back into it

Shattered Empire, Star Wars and Vader are the three main ones. Lando, Leia and Chewbacca are 5 issue series (some people don't care for the last two but I think they're fun). If you like Rebels, read Kanan.

 

[darkwing-buck]

Totally forgot about Lando, hope to see him in the next movie.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

*record scratch*

Wait, WHAT? No wonder this order keeps dying out.

Luke needs to tear that page out of the book and burn it.

Well, the Jedi only need to improve their pull out-strength or wrap it up before going in..

 

[eyeball_kid]

Also, the last time we saw her, she was standing in the rubble, handing Finn the saber. So if she was wise, took cover and waited out the remaining 5 minutes until the First Order took off, she should still be alive.

Ah, that's right. Her suspicious "you've already got a weapon (lightsaber)" comment to Finn, which still makes me think she can see Force sensitive people.

I still think it's absolute BS that a pirate that's been able to survive for a 1000 years would not have defensive capabilities at her home base.

edit: It's also weird how Han made a big deal that Finn and Rey should NOT stare at Maz because of her features, but then we find out she just looks like an alien grandma. I wonder if they changed her design between filming the scene and rendering the CG?

 

[Sesuadra]

Shattered Empire, Star Wars and Vader are the three main ones. Lando, Leia and Chewbacca are 5 issue series (some people don't care for the last two but I think they're fun). If you like Rebels, read Kanan.

shattered empire was a 4 issue short series or will this one be continued?

 

[Spiritreaver]

A Rebels/TCW style cartoon set in post-ROTJ would be so cool.

 

[opoth]

Real talk, what's this Mary Sue stuff people keep mentioning?

Just the usual outrage culture nonsense from MRAs. People can't have fun at the movies anymore unless the main character is an OP white male.

 

[Fehyd]

I'd be all over this, that relationship was actually pretty good and would mean interesting things for Rey.

I'm somewhat more inclined to think it mightve involved events between ANH and RotS.

Obi-Wan at that point was trying to "not" act like a Jedi (atleast according to the new canon comics) and having a romantic relationship at that point wouldn't be too much of a leap.

Say, ends up having some sort of relationship with a smuggler/trader, events happen and he thinks she's dead, meanwhile she leaves and raises a child who ends up becoming one of Reys parents.

Would also make for a helluva potential sidestory movie and a chance for Ewan Mcgregor to step back into the role.

Plus I like the duality of Luke taking in a Kenobi child, and all the bloody symbolism involved.

She's related to someone, that's for sure, otherwise they wouldn't have had Ewan come back to record the "Rey, these are your first steps" line either.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

A Rebels/TCW style cartoon set in post-ROTJ would be so cool.

Get on that shit Netflix.

 

[Rawr Its Ry]

shattered empire was a 4 issue short series or will this one be continued?

Just the 4 issues. ATM I think it's the only comic series that takes place after RoTJ (besides the C3pO one shot that isn't out yet)

 

[kurahador]

A Rebels/TCW style cartoon set in post-ROTJ would be so cool.

Hmm...I hope that Visceral/Amy Hennig RPG will cover that timeline.

 

[neorej]

the odds aren't too bad. It'd be a good fit.
It'd be a direct reference to Prequel canon, though. But they didn't shy away from making a reference to using clone troopers, so they're not all hardcore "can't touch any of the PT lore, even though it's officially canon"

Wasn't Plaegueis the one who could 'cheat death'?
The scars on his face could be the wounds of an attempted (and kinda succesful) murder by his apprentice.

Yup, Plagueis was the one rumored to be able to create life and cheat death using the force.

 

[Fliesen]

Just the usual outrage culture nonsense from MRAs. People can't have fun at the movies anymore unless the main character is an OP white male.

i wouldn't say that.

They'd call male "Ray" a Mary Sue, too.
I think it's just people forgetting that - after prequels that made "the force" something very ... scientific. Something you train, something you carry in your blood. etc - we're now back to the force being literally space magic. And if you channel said space magic, you're able to do things that you haven't learned.
Just look at "well, why is she able to overpower Kylo Ren if she never received as much formal training as him?" - Answer: The force. At that moment the force was stronger in her than in him.

Rey would very much be a Mary Sue if it wasn't for the Force.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

I'm somewhat more inclined to think it mightve involved events between ANH and RotS.

Obi-Wan at that point was trying to "not" act like a Jedi (atleast according to the new canon comics) and having a romantic relationship at that point wouldn't be too much of a leap.

Say, ends up having some sort of relationship with a smuggler/trader, events happen and he thinks she's dead, meanwhile she leaves and raises a child who ends up becoming one of Reys parents.

Would also make for a helluva potential sidestory movie and a chance for Ewan Mcgregor to step back into the role.

Plus I like the duality of Luke taking in a Kenobi child, and all the bloody symbolism involved.

She's related to someone, that's for sure, otherwise they wouldn't have had Ewan come back to record the "Rey, these are your first steps" line either.

Thats what I think it would actually be but can't help but love the Satine thing.

 

[KingSnake]

Wouldn't the fact that Luke has a daughter (and possibly a wife) make him a bad Jedi? That would be against the rules and the reason why Anakin didn't want to comply with the Jedi rules in the first place, isn't it?

 

[FeD.nL]

I really wonder if Rian Johnson has decided to take the story completely in another way. It is surprising that they cut basically the whole plot thread of Kylo knowing Rey from the film while it is present in the novelization.

 

[Squire]

Captain America would be one without the super soldier serum, but well, there it is.

 

[Vampirolol]

the odds aren't too bad. It'd be a good fit.
It'd be a direct reference to Prequel canon, though. But they didn't shy away from making a reference to using clone troopers, so they're not all hardcore "can't touch any of the PT lore, even though it's officially canon"

Wasn't Plaegueis the one who could 'cheat death'?
The scars on his face could be the wounds of an attempted (and kinda succesful) murder by his apprentice.

Also Plagueis coming back to life could be what put disorder in the force again.

 

[Shuggananas]

Wouldn't the fact that Luke has a daughter (and possibly a wife) make him a bad Jedi? That would be against the rules and the reason why Anakin didn't want to comply with the Jedi rules in the first place, isn't it?

The buttlust transcends jedi identities

 

[TM94]

Still laugh to myself when I remember Kylo's lightsaber tantrum in that room.

 

[Miggytronz]

Saw it a second time last night. I liked it better than the first time. I just accepted things more. The movie flows quite well.

I still don't like/understand the map plot point. I hope it's explained in episode VIII but why R2D2 reactivates himself at the end?

I assumed he was dormant waiting for certain things to fall into play.

 

[Fehyd]

Thats what I think it would actually be but can't help but love the Satine thing.

True, but it's pretty evident that he never really acted on the feelings he had for Satine (and subsequently when Maul killed her) the sense of loss he had to take for not even being able to decide for himself.

 

[Kin5290]

Wouldn't the fact that Luke has a daughter (and possibly a wife) make him a bad Jedi? That would be against the rules and the reason why Anakin didn't want to comply with the Jedi rules in the first place, isn't it?

What I remember of the EU has kind of faded, but if I recall in the now defunct books Luke's reforms of the New Jedi Order, including Jedi to marry and have children, were a direct acknowledgement that the practices of the old Jedi were kind of fucked up.

 

[FeD.nL]

I'm somewhat more inclined to think it mightve involved events between ANH and RotS.

Obi-Wan at that point was trying to "not" act like a Jedi (atleast according to the new canon comics) and having a romantic relationship at that point wouldn't be too much of a leap.

Say, ends up having some sort of relationship with a smuggler/trader, events happen and he thinks she's dead, meanwhile she leaves and raises a child who ends up becoming one of Reys parents.

Would also make for a helluva potential sidestory movie and a chance for Ewan Mcgregor to step back into the role.

Plus I like the duality of Luke taking in a Kenobi child, and all the bloody symbolism involved.

She's related to someone, that's for sure, otherwise they wouldn't have had Ewan come back to record the "Rey, these are your first steps" line either.

This is my stand now as well. There are simply too many parallels with Obi-Wan in this film for it to be a coincidence.

 

[Fliesen]

Wouldn't the fact that Luke has a daughter (and possibly a wife) make him a bad Jedi? That would be against the rules and the reason why Anakin didn't want to comply with the Jedi rules in the first place, isn't it?

Luke's a new kind of Jedi, that learned to use the force without having to follow the strict rules of the Jedi order.
Seeing as "forbidden love" was a contributing factor to Anakin's downfall, i think, even the last 2 remaining Jedi, would agree that the 'forbidden' part was the problem here, not the 'love'.

Had Anakin been able to talk to Obiwan about his nightmares "dude, i'm afraid my wife will die!" and have Obiwan support him "we're not going to let that happen, also these visions aren't necessary premonitions of what WILL happen but what just MIGHT happen. Still, you have my support, Anakin"
There. Problem solved.

 

[KingSnake]

What I remember of the EU has kind of faded, but if I recall in the now defunct books Luke's reforms of the New Jedi Order, including Jedi to marry and have children, were a direct acknowledgement that the practices of the old Jedi were kind of fucked up.

Yeah, but TFA kinds of ignore EU, isn't it? And rather links to the OT directly.

 

[Hawkian]

Haha in the beyond the trailer review she says Han dying was like killing Indiana Jones in an Indiana Jones movie

 

[Fehyd]

Also Plagueis coming back to life could be what put disorder in the force again.

I would love for supreme leader to be Plagueis. While it's not canon now, in the aptly named book it was evident that Palpatine was basically totally in the dark about a lot of Sith teachings, and Plagy made sure to keep him that way. Palpy was basically junk-tier sith compared to Plagy.

Would be interesting if he faked his own death and went about setting up resources for when Palpy was inevitably killed.

 

[Spacejaws]

There was no mother. He carried her, he gave birth. I can't explain what happened.

Lol this is the best twist and why Luke looks so traumatized when he sees her.

 

[Nodnol]

Still laugh to myself when I remember Kylo's lightsaber tantrum in that room.

We need a NOPE gif based around the stormtroopers turning around.

 

[Fliesen]

Captain America would be one without the super soldier serum, but well, there it is.

And Iron Man is a super smart scientist, perfect engineer, a fantastic comedian, a suave as hell motherfucker, and pretty much all-powerful due to his super-suit.

But i do agree with the poster that there's certainly SOME who are more eager to find flaws in Rey because they're less willing to identify with a non male character. Not saying anyone here in particular is, but that's definitely a reason why Rey is being so thoroughly analyzed and critisized.
Some are certainly looking for "objective" reasons why not to like her as a protagonist, because the subjective reasons are rather embarassing

 

[Squire]

Yeah, but TFA kinds of ignore EU, isn't it? And rather links to the OT directly.

Movie has plenty of hooks for new EU stuff, as to be expected. Like how Maz got that light saber? That's going to be in someone's novel or comic book in the next year, for sure.

And Iron Man is a super smart scientist, perfect engineer, a fantastic comedian, a suave as hell motherfucker, and pretty much all-powerful due to his super-suit.

But i do agree with the poster that there's certainly SOME who are more eager to find flaws in Rey because they're less willing to identify with a non male character. Not saying anyone here in particular is, but that's definitely a reason why Rey is being so thoroughly analyzed and critisized.
Some are certainly looking for "objective" reasons why not to like her as a protagonist, because the subjective reasons are rather embarassing

Right. I mean? I think we concur. These characters have incredible talents, but it's because of and within a certain context not just 'cause it's cool. The things Rey dues are supported by this narrative, but people are being obtuse with her.

But you know, it just goes back to the truth storytellers understand better than anyone else: tropes are tools, not negatives to be marked down on sight. I think that's why the Mary Sur stuff is annoying. It's less about whether or not the claim is valid and more that it doesn't necessarily mean this is any less a quality film if it is.

It's not a productive discourse.

 

[Raiden]

I'm somewhat more inclined to think it mightve involved events between ANH and RotS.

Obi-Wan at that point was trying to "not" act like a Jedi (atleast according to the new canon comics) and having a romantic relationship at that point wouldn't be too much of a leap.

Say, ends up having some sort of relationship with a smuggler/trader, events happen and he thinks she's dead, meanwhile she leaves and raises a child who ends up becoming one of Reys parents.

Would also make for a helluva potential sidestory movie and a chance for Ewan Mcgregor to step back into the role.

Plus I like the duality of Luke taking in a Kenobi child, and all the bloody symbolism involved.

She's related to someone, that's for sure, otherwise they wouldn't have had Ewan come back to record the "Rey, these are your first steps" line either.

That would be a pretty great Obi Wan spin-off actually. Also he looks the age to pull it off right now.

 

[Fehyd]

Luke's a new kind of Jedi, that learned to use the force without having to follow the strict rules of the Jedi order.
Seeing as "forbidden love" was a contributing factor to Anakin's downfall, i think, even the last 2 remaining Jedi, would agree that the 'forbidden' part was the problem here, not the 'love'.

Had Anakin been able to talk to Obiwan about his nightmares "dude, i'm afraid my wife will die!" and have Obiwan support him "we're not going to let that happen, also these visions aren't necessary premonitions of what WILL happen but what just MIGHT happen. Still, you have my support, Anakin"
There. Problem solved.

The issue itself is that Jedi are a bit like The Nights Watch. They forego the relationship and emotion because it can put them in conflicting situations (such as when Anakin wanted to help Padme instead of chase Dooku in episode 2)

To put it simply, if there's a situation where a Jedi can save 1 person or 10 people, they needed to be able to save 10 people, not the 1 person because they love that person, or because that person is their child.

I mean, Padme could die of a freak heart attack that Anakin couldn't clearly see, and still gone dark side to try and "save" her.

The only way to really remove the emotional aspect is to train them young, and basically turn them into monks.

 

[Sesuadra]

Movie has plenty of hooks for new EU stuff, as to be expected. Like how Maz got that light saber? That's going to be in someone's novel or comic book in the next year, for sure.

they even say as much when Maz says "that's a story for another time"