i'm kind of interested how they'd handle that era. it's going to be post rots and pre anh. rogue one, a kenobi movie, and a han solo movie would likely all fit in there as other prequel films. do they get james earl jones back, for instance? he's already voicing star wars rebels. what about ian mcdiarmid or frank oz?
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i'm kind of interested how they'd handle that era. it's going to be post rots and pre anh. rogue one, a kenobi movie, and a han solo movie would likely all fit in there as other prequel films. do they get james earl jones back, for instance? he's already voicing star wars rebels. what about ian mcdiarmid or frank oz?
So, Rey's theme is equal parts Star Wars, Ravel's Bolero and celtic music.
Awesome.
Rey part is mad good, or atleast i found it that. I totally want a scavenging Star Wars game now.
Getting through Poe, and it isn't as good, but still good.
Awesome.
Rey part is mad good, or atleast i found it that. I totally want a scavenging Star Wars game now.
Getting through Poe, and it isn't as good, but still good.
Anyone comparing the post-TFA glow to "people thinking they liked TPM at the time" is baffling. Opinions and all that, but still...everything I wanted was in this movie, and then some.
I can remember being 21 when TPM was released, being as hyped as anything, ROTJ was one of the first films I saw in the theater as a child and Star Wars was most definitely my favorite film franchise growing up.
I LIKED TPM and while realizing it made some odd story choices and badly needed an editor, I mostly chalked up my overall indifference to the movie as having outgrown Star Wars. The only moments in TPM that got a "woah" from the audience was cutting through the door with lightsabers and the duel with Maul. The only chuckle was when Qui Gon tried and failed to mindtrick Watto. I saw it twice in the theater (including opening night) and the rest of the crowd's reaction was "meh" both times. No cheers or standing O at the end.
Fast forward 16 years and we live in an even more cynical world than we did then. TFA immediately sucked me in and had the crowd eating out of its hand the entire time. So many crowd pleasing moments, so much more doing and not telling compared to the PT. I went back the next day and it was even better without the sensory overload of having 2 hours of new Star Wars thrown at you. I've seen it three times and it totally holds up. My enjoyment is not solely because of the return of the classic characters - I've found something relatable and enjoyable about the new trio and felt none of that attachment to the PT characters, and look forward to seeing where they go next. It's incredibly weird and refreshing to not have an idea of what's to come in a Star Wars movie - you had an idea of what to expect in the subsequent PT films. To bring it back, TPM did not improve on subsequent viewings, it just got more boring, especially in the Tatooine scenes.
I can remember being 21 when TPM was released, being as hyped as anything, ROTJ was one of the first films I saw in the theater as a child and Star Wars was most definitely my favorite film franchise growing up.
I LIKED TPM and while realizing it made some odd story choices and badly needed an editor, I mostly chalked up my overall indifference to the movie as having outgrown Star Wars. The only moments in TPM that got a "woah" from the audience was cutting through the door with lightsabers and the duel with Maul. The only chuckle was when Qui Gon tried and failed to mindtrick Watto. I saw it twice in the theater (including opening night) and the rest of the crowd's reaction was "meh" both times. No cheers or standing O at the end.
Fast forward 16 years and we live in an even more cynical world than we did then. TFA immediately sucked me in and had the crowd eating out of its hand the entire time. So many crowd pleasing moments, so much more doing and not telling compared to the PT. I went back the next day and it was even better without the sensory overload of having 2 hours of new Star Wars thrown at you. I've seen it three times and it totally holds up. My enjoyment is not solely because of the return of the classic characters - I've found something relatable and enjoyable about the new trio and felt none of that attachment to the PT characters, and look forward to seeing where they go next. It's incredibly weird and refreshing to not have an idea of what's to come in a Star Wars movie - you had an idea of what to expect in the subsequent PT films. To bring it back, TPM did not improve on subsequent viewings, it just got more boring, especially in the Tatooine scenes.
Lord of Castamere
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Did force ghosts stop being a thing after RotJ? I mean force ghosts should solve this pretty quick.
I actually heard it was going to be a bounty hunter version of The 7 Samurai. But then, studio leaks are always like a game of telephone.
Chuckie
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And which of these ghosts would advocate the no marriage rule? Because both Obi-Wan and Yoda fail to mention it to Luke while alive. And Anakin thought the rule was shit anyway.
even so, it's not a good sales pitch to inform the last hope of the Jedi of the biggest fucking catch there is.
Oh, but he isn't the last hope, you'll say. There's another ...
Well, I don't think Leia, who just cut down a love triangle to a cozy 1-on-1 relationship would be very open to the thought of having lost EVERYONE she loved and then having to just be friends with sexy ass Harrison Fo... Han Solo.
If Natalie Portman looked at me that way, I'd say the rule was shit too.
DrROBschiz
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CrazedProfessional
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Anyone else notice how the movie basically ended the same way as Pokemon Gold with Luke waiting in Mount Silver?
Chuckie
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Well we already know Leia wasn't open to the thought. Ben is proof of that haha.
Lord of Castamere
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All in all its just more shitty prequel writing, but I think they had bigger issues at the time.
I wish we could nuke the prequels.
From the little orange lady maybe? Idk, I got up during that part.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Yeah, I obviously have no idea how much TFA will "stick" over the years, but just on a level of basic competence and characterization it's clearly better than TPM. It's certainly possible it will be considered a little too safe an entry over time but at no point are you asking yourself "what.. am I watching..."
I agree with most of this; especially the very last sentence. The soundtrack was kinda 'eh', hope they will use a different composer next time.
One thing that really intrigues me about the Jedi in particular is how they indoctrinate their younglings into staying with the Jedi and how Dooku was able to retire and become a count. I vaguely recall reading an EU book that is no no longer canon that Dooku was a count by birthright on his home planet or whatever. It's been years.
Anywho, why didn't Anakin just leave the Jedi? He never really cared for their way of doing things. He could openly love Padme and do good on his own, maybe even continue to work with Obiwan from time to time.
Anywho, why didn't Anakin just leave the Jedi? He never really cared for their way of doing things. He could openly love Padme and do good on his own, maybe even continue to work with Obiwan from time to time.
Yautja_Warrior
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Yeah that was a good joke, it got a good laugh from everyone in the cinema.
Tomasoares
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I only knew who Boba Fett was after I discovered so many love him in the web lol
He wasn't interested in "doing good" as much as he was interested in being a jedi popstar.
half a moon
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A magical way to do it like the force and touching the lightsaber?
Leia not being a Jedi might have helped with that, though.
DrROBschiz
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Its not important?
That seems to be the sentiment. Star Wars is a popcorn flick. Just go along for the ride
I personally wasnt blown away but after reflecting a bit I realize that there really isnt any way for them to make these movies in any other way
I AM hoping to see them deliver something interesting in episodes 8-9. This movie stuck to formula as a course correction to get us back on board for when they shift the sands for the sequels
Im expecting Luke to surprise us at the opening of 8
Flashbacks are a no no. Nobody likes to touch that stuff. It's way too hard to handle well and it just doesn't fit Star Wars.
Sure they kind of did it in TFA, but that wasn't an expository sequence, just a short dream like one that didn't even show any faces.
Imagine a flashback explaining how Obi-Wan had a grandaughter. What a disaster.
Sure they kind of did it in TFA, but that wasn't an expository sequence, just a short dream like one that didn't even show any faces.
Imagine a flashback explaining how Obi-Wan had a grandaughter. What a disaster.
That's part of the character, he wanted it all, the power, the fame, the status and the girl. He deserved it all in his mind.
Wouldnt it be fucking amazing, if a little out of what SW actually does, if the opening of episode 8 was the night of the betrayal where Luke is teaching kids and the academy is stormed by the nights of Ren, chalk it up as a nightmare or something.
I just hope we see more of that scene in the Rain
I just hope we see more of that scene in the Rain
Does the book explain why Rey is so good at mechanical stuff? The Force stuff doesn't bother me, it was just a bit weird how she fixed the Millenium Falcon before Han.
It would've made sense if she was maybe like a mechanic's apprentice instead of a scavenger. Also, what are those markings she was making at the beginning?
psychotron
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TheOfficeMut
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I hear the novel Lords of the Sith (I believe it's that one) fleshes out Darth Vader's thoughts in the years after Episode 3. Is this true?
I think he was, Anakin was a good person albeit damaged, but what I was trying to get at is that he could still feel good and justified about leaving the Order.
What Anakin wanted was power and admiration. He didn't necessarily need the Jedi for either.
And more than that he wanted to be with Padme. Which he could be openly and without consequences.
Maybe he was just too ashamed and afraid of what his peers would think of him. Attachment to Obiwan maybe? I dunno. It just seems he had problems with readily available solutions.
Gipsy Danger
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A little bit. He thinks about Padme a lot in that book but you don't get any major changes to the character. It's mostly fluff.
Finn being all like "All this violence, and war is horrible", then minutes later he's like "I got a light saber now! It's like I'm in the original trilogy. Hey Trooper that I used to work with, remember me? Stab mother fucker you're dead! Killing people is fun again!", was very odd.
half a moon
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Being hunted and fighting for your life vs killing innocents
I think there's a difference between mass murder and self-defense
DrROBschiz
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He didnt want to kill for the first order
Plus he killed in self defense?
I dont think its implied that hes a pascifist but yeah... I am disappointed that they couldnt nail Finn's character down to be more consistent
The problem just stems from it being a 2 hour rollercoaster movie... My largest complaint is the character development. They get so few moments to establish who they are and are forced into situations where their character traits dont line up with whats going on.
Its sucks but at least we have sequels that can hopefully have more time to focus on character moments
Finn doesn't have a problem with killing. He has a problem with killing innocents and the defenceless.
I think Force ghost is a stupid idea and I have a feeling writers feel the same too.
Episode VIII : "We will have Luke die this episode, thus completing Rey's training. Without her mentor to fall back on, she will have to mature on her own while confronting her nemesis."
Episode IX: "Nah, man, Luke's force ghost will appear and guide Rey. Also Anakin lecturing Kylo while we're at it."
It's a slippery slope, force ghosts. Not having them will make people question, having them will make deaths cheap.
Sorry I just didn't buy it. I guess maybe I was hoping the characters sudden face turn at the beginning would be explained by him recovering his memory of his past. But apparently it appears he's just some random kid who was taken from his random family, and he randomly turns face at a convenient time.
Vampirolol
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Like Salacious B. Crumb.
This was a problem in JJ's Star Trek's as well, there's almost no concept of distance or the passage of time. It's funny for a guy who did a lot of tv work, he seems to have little sense of when to let the story breathe for a bit everything moves almost absurdly quickly. Everything is rushed in his movie work. TFA really needed a couple of extra scenes to let the story breathe. While I hate montages, something like that was needed in the end to evoke a sense of time. Hell even a couple of lines of dialogue between Rey and R2 on the Falcon (You're sure it's THIS system, you said that about the last two") would have given the sense of an actual journey to find Luke.
He's also not that fond of establishing shots in space action sequences which really makes it a struggle to get a sense of where everything is in relation to each other.
I had a great time with the film, but seeing it a second time this stuff really jumped out, it's just unnecessarily lazy. On a first viewing the story and pace carries you along, but some of the short cuts taken are a bit grating.
DrROBschiz
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They already did formula Star Wars with TFA
I hope they take the sequels as an opportunity to shatter the status quo and elevate it just a tad
I have an idea where they could take things but im going to keep it to myself
The One Who Knocks
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I have very little doubt that we'll see more of the downfall of Luke's Academy. While it wouldn't be entirely shocking to me if it doesn't happen due to it being atypical for Star Wars, and it adding to the mystery and horror of what happened (while also making Ren irredeemable in many people's eyes prior to this movie. just look at the reaction to Vadar after Revenge of the Sith when people actually saw him kill Jedi, and children; did people really think he had never killed a child or Jedi before?) not to see the slaughter, the importance that scene plays for everyone (Ren, Luke, Rey, Rey's mother presumably) makes it pivotal. Now that all bets for The Force are off, and it's very much how it was explained in the original trilogy, I could very see Luke and Rey journeying back through the Force and observing what happened, or the force showing glimpses of what happened to Rey in her nightmares as she slept.
EDIT: Should probably clarify I'm focusing more on the second sentence than the first sentence if it's not clear.
Big difference between burning down a village full of innocent civilians followed by mass execution, and fighting for your life against an overwhelming force.
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