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[watdaeff4]

Finn being all like "All this violence, and war is horrible", then minutes later he's like "I got a light saber now! It's like I'm in the original trilogy. Hey Trooper that I used to work with, remember me? Stab mother fucker you're dead! Killing people is fun again!", was very odd.

To be fair he never said 'I hate violence, war is horrible' IIRC he stated he realized what they (the first order) was doing was wrong.

Big difference

 

[DrROBschiz]

This was a problem in JJ's Star Trek's as well, there's almost no concept of distance or the passage of time. It's funny for a guy who did a lot of tv work, he seems to have little sense of when to let the story breathe for a bit everything moves almost absurdly quickly. Everything is rushed in his movie work. TFA really needed a couple of extra scenes to let the story breathe. While I hate montages, something like that was needed in the end to evoke a sense of time. Hell even a couple of lines of dialogue between Rey and R2 on the Falcon (You're sure it's THIS system, you said that about the last two") would have given the sense of an actual journey to find Luke.

He's also not that fond of establishing shots in space action sequences which really makes it a struggle to get a sense of where everything is in relation to each other.

I had a great time with the film, but seeing it a second time this stuff really jumped out, it's just unnecessarily lazy. On a first viewing the story and pace carries you along, but some of the short cuts taken are a bit grating.

Yeah agree with you 100%

Its clear that a LOT was cut.... It clear that the original story was too big for the first movie... Maybe they should have envisioned a smaller scale story so that they could spend more time nailing the characters

 

[Real Hero]

I'm just thinking this might the last time 'Star Wars' is an event, after this we are getting a star wars film every year and it will probably just be another movie.

 

[heringer]

I do wonder if Kylo Ren is redeemable after killing Han. Not in a Vader way, but in actually turning into a jedi again and joining Luke and Rey against Snoke. That would be interesting.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

To be fair he never said 'I hate violence, war is horrible' IIRC he stated he realized what they (the first order) was doing was wrong.

Big difference

This. Nothing about his character suggests he's a pacifist. Just not a mindless drone following orders.

 

[DrROBschiz]

I'm just thinking this might the last time 'Star War's is an event, after this we are getting a star wars film every year and it will probably just just another movie.

Im really more excited for episode 8 because I feel like thats going to be the movie where more risks will be taken

 

[Henkka]

Sorry I just didn't buy it. I guess maybe I was hoping the characters sudden face turn at the beginning would be explained by him recovering his memory of his past. But apparently it appears he's just some random kid who was taken from his random family, and he randomly turns face at a convenient time.

I don't think it was random... It was his first time on the field, ordered to massacre innocents. It would've been random if he had been massacring innocents for years, but the Jakku village made him snap out of it.

I'm just thinking this might the last time 'Star Wars' is an event, after this we are getting a star wars film every year and it will probably just be another movie.

I*m sure IX will be an 'event'.

 

[Gonzalez]

To be fair he never said 'I hate violence, war is horrible' IIRC he stated he realized what they (the first order) was doing was wrong.

Big difference

But the horror of seeing his fellow Trooper dying in front of him also triggered his face turn, and not just the civilian deaths.

 

[Cappa]

Sorry I just didn't buy it. I guess maybe I was hoping the characters sudden face turn at the beginning would be explained by him recovering his memory of his past. But apparently it appears he's just some random kid who was taken from his random family, and he randomly turns face at a convenient time.

Are you new to star wars? Everything happens at a convenient time

 

[DrROBschiz]

But the horror of seeing his fellow Trooper dying in front of him also triggered his face turn, and not just the civilian deaths.

Its a bummer that Finns transformation isnt given more time. We are basically thrown in at the end with only hints of "why him and not a bunch of other random troopers as well"

They do touch on that he isnt the ONLY one to show these symptoms

Either way we have to accept it cuz this is a 2 hour movie and it moves fast

 

[Renekton]

Im really more excited for episode 8 because I feel like thats going to be the movie where more risks will be taken

I'm very interested in Rogue One.

It doesn't seem to have hypercompetent heroes with destiny on their side (e.g. Rey), just a bunch of desperate unpowered underdogs.

 

[Brazil]

I'm very interested in Rogue One.

It doesn't seem to have hypercompetent heroes with destiny on their side (e.g. Rey), just a bunch of desperate unpowered underdogs.

Who are doomed to fail

 

[KingSnake]

I do wonder if Kylo Ren is redeemable after killing Han. Not in a Vader way, but in actually turning into a jedi again and joining Luke and Rey against Snoke. That would be interesting.

I don't know, I kind of saw it as a point of no return, given the speech Kylo had in front of Vader's helmet.

 

[Rygar 8 Bit]

I'm just thinking this might the last time 'Star Wars' is an event, after this we are getting a star wars film every year and it will probably just be another movie.

its star wars so no it will be just as big even episode 2 and 3 were massive and they were meh movies

 

[Quote]

I do wonder if Kylo Ren is redeemable after killing Han. Not in a Vader way, but in actually turning into a jedi again and joining Luke and Rey against Snoke. That would be interesting.

Not going to happen. He isn't just responsible for Han but planets full of innocents. He is as good as dead, but maybe regretful during this death. That's best case scenario for him. However, I hope he stays evil till the end to be less predictable than it's going to be.

This movie is too safe to not follow story 101 rules.

 

[Shuggananas]

yes fuck whoever makes kylo become good again after that, it would be a terrible twist

 

[Discotheque]

I do wonder if Kylo Ren is redeemable after killing Han. Not in a Vader way, but in actually turning into a jedi again and joining Luke and Rey against Snoke. That would be interesting.

irredeemable to me. he'll probably do a face-turn and fight alongside rey/sacrifice himself for her by the end of it all, and i do like the actor and the character .

but still i'm always gonna be

towards him for killing han

 

[Lord of Castamere]

I think Force ghost is a stupid idea and I have a feeling writers feel the same too.

Episode VIII : "We will have Luke die this episode, thus completing Rey's training. Without her mentor to fall back on, she will have to mature on her own while confronting her nemesis."

Episode IX: "Nah, man, Luke's force ghost will appear and guide Rey. Also Anakin lecturing Kylo while we're at it."

It's a slippery slope, force ghosts. Not having them will make people question, having them will make deaths cheap.

I think I understand. You're saying that Han's ghost should be in the next movie to help Rey become an even better pilot.

 

[DrROBschiz]

yes fuck whoever makes kylo become good again after that, it would be a terrible twist

Nope

Im surprised he didnt get killed off yet.

Hes not really fit to be the big bad in my eyes.... I can only see a pathetic death as being a fitting end... They need to kill him Boba Fett style

 

[RepairmanJack]

As someone who was never really a big fan of OG Star Wars, it's weird to suddenly be really excited for the future EU stuff coming out. This movie was just fun and it was huge to me to actually come out of it with actual mystery.

 

[Real Hero]

its star wars so no it will be just as big even episode 2 and 3 were massive and they were meh

that's true but there wasn't a movie every year then, oh well it will still be an event for me even if audiences at large get franchise fatigue

 

[Aureon]

Gotta say, JJ wanted mysteries to get people talking... he did that. In spades.

Does the book explain why Rey is so good at mechanical stuff? The Force stuff doesn't bother me, it was just a bit weird how she fixed the Millenium Falcon before Han.

It would've made sense if she was maybe like a mechanic's apprentice instead of a scavenger. Also, what are those markings she was making at the beginning?

I thought this was explained well enough in the movie - she's a scavenger in a scavenger world, who cobbled together her own speeder, and dives all day in nonfunctioning ships in search of functioning parts.
The book goes a lot in depth to why she's good as a mechanic and pilot.

 

[Renekton]

It doesn't matter if Kylo Ren becomes good again or not.

He's so weak that Rey could pulverize him easily in future episodes.

 

[Discotheque]

Nope

Im surprised he didnt get killed off yet.

Hes not really fit to be the big bad in my eyes.... I can only see a pathetic death as being a fitting end... They need to kill him Boba Fett style

they're getting the devil himself, big boss for the episode 8 villain

episode 8 is on track to potentially be the best star wars film of all time. this fell short of a new hope and empire quite a bit imo, but with these characters and hopefully less commitment to retreading the original trilogy we'll get an amazing film

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

We never actually saw Vader kill anybody super important to the storyline. He arguably didn't even kill Obi Wan, Obi Wan just sort of let go and gave up.

Ren killed Han. He killed Han Solo. Fuck that guy.

 

[DrROBschiz]

It doesn't matter if Kylo Ren becomes good again or not.

He's so weak that Rey could pulverize him easily in future episodes.

I mean the way they framed him

Its basically Anakin Skywalker from the prequels all over again.

Except this time they can make sensible consequences for this pathetic emotional mess of a villain

 

[DerZuhälter]

So... what exactly does the resistance need Luke for?
He's just one dude with a lightsaber, yet everyone is looking for him as if he was the holy grail.

Shouldn't he be, in a war of this scale, quite insignificant? To the rebels and the first order?

 

[Gonzalez]

Also for a guy who severed his ties to the Empire, he sure gets pissed off like Marty McFly when he's called a traitor. Seriously Finn was completely undercooked as a character.

 

[Henkka]

Gotta say, JJ wanted mysteries to get people talking... he did that. In spades.



I thought this was explained well enough in the movie - she's a scavenger in a scavenger world, who cobbled together her own speeder, and dives all day in nonfunctioning ships in search of functioning parts.
The book goes a lot in depth to why she's good as a mechanic and pilot.

Oh, I never put together that she built that speeder herself. That's cool.

 

[DrROBschiz]

We never actually saw Vader kill anybody super important to the storyline. He arguably didn't even kill Obi Wan, Obi Wan just sort of let go and gave up.

Ren killed Han. He killed Han Solo. Fuck that guy.

Whats interesting about Vader is that as soon as he knew his kids were alive he was already plotting to betray the Emperor and rule the galaxy with his family

I found it compelling and believable. We need a villian with that level of depth once again

 

[D6AMIA6N]

Does it not seem obvious that Snoke would intentionally leave his apprentice only strong enough to overpower nobodies, so he would have no real threat to be overthrown/killed by Ren? Now Snoke realizing there is a legit threat, must fully train Ren in order to add a buffer between Snoke and the light? Seems logical to me.

 

[ClosingADoor]

So... what exactly does the resistance need Luke for?
He's just one dude with a lightsaber, yet everyone is looking for him as if he was the holy grail.

Shouldn't he be, in a war of this scale, quite insignificant? To the rebels and the first order?

To defeat Kylo Ren. Luke is basically the only Jedi alive, so it makes sense to turn to him to defeat the only Sith / Dark Side dude.

Luke is also the guy who defeated Darth Vader, so if a new major bad guy shows up, you want the help of a legend like that.

 

[Ushojax]

So... what exactly does the resistance need Luke for?
He's just one dude with a lightsaber, yet everyone is looking for him as if he was the holy grail.

Shouldn't he be, in a war of this scale, quite insignificant? To the rebels and the first order?

By that logic shouldn't he have been insignificant in the OT too? The leaders of the Empire and First Order have a personal interest in Luke because of his powers, likewise Leia knows that only Luke is powerful enough to overcome Kylo and Snoke.

 

[Yrael]

Watched the film today and loved it. I walked out of the cinema believing that Rey was Luke's descendant (I was semi-expecting her to say "Luke, I am your daughter" at the end, heh), but having read convincing theories about her being Han and Leia's daughter (with all three of them having had memories of their relationship erased), or even Kenobi's granddaughter, I'm now not quite sure what I believe.

 

[Gonzalez]

So... what exactly does the resistance need Luke for?
He's just one dude with a lightsaber, yet everyone is looking for him as if he was the holy grail.

Shouldn't he be, in a war of this scale, quite insignificant? To the rebels and the first order?

I think they are searching for Luke on behalf of Leia's well being.

So if that were the case, they should've had some grunts off to the side questioning Leia's sanity for making the Rebels use up all their best men to look for giant asshole who doesn't want to be found.

 

[More_Badass]

It doesn't matter if Kylo Ren becomes good again or not.

He's so weak that Rey could pulverize him easily in future episodes.

That's why she was running away for 95% of their fight?

Most of the fight she was on the defensive, fleeing and backing away from Ren. Only at the end when she becomes in tune with the Force, does she gain any kind of upperhand

 

[Renekton]

they're getting the devil himself, big boss for the episode 8 villain
http://cdn.moviestillsdb.com/sm/abc87f680df1dd12bc8f06603b0db858/sicario.jpg

episode 8 is on track to potentially be the best star wars film of all time. this fell short of a new hope and empire quite a bit imo, but with these characters and hopefully less commitment to retreading the original trilogy we'll get an amazing film

So the Collector makes a crossover from Marvel Cosmic to Star Wars.

That's why she was running away for 95% of their fight?

Most of the fight she was on the defensive, fleeing and backing away from Ren. Only at the end when she becomes in tune with the Force, does she gain any kind of upperhand

Ya once she powered up, Kylo Ren had zero chance.

 

[DrROBschiz]

To defeat Kylo Ren. Luke is basically the only Jedi alive, so it makes sense to turn to him to defeat the only Sith / Dark Side dude.

Luke is also the guy who defeated Darth Vader, so if a new major bad guy shows up, you want the help of a legend like that.

Im surprised he never go the truth out that he never defeated Vader though

Vader had basically started following his own agenda as soon as he knew luke and leia existed

 

[Carbonox]

As long as Luke remains there is someone who can teach new generations of Force users. Rebuilding the Jedi could bring down the First Order so IMO he's a valid numero uno target for the Resistance to get help from.

 

[Real Hero]

So... what exactly does the resistance need Luke for?
He's just one dude with a lightsaber, yet everyone is looking for him as if he was the holy grail.

Shouldn't he be, in a war of this scale, quite insignificant? To the rebels and the first order?

It's a fantasy fairy tale and he's the mystical wise wizard. You could say why was it important for Luke to find Yoda become a become a Jedi? Because the galaxy depended on it. That's the same now except there's a bunch of people who actually know Luke and what he did so they know he can help

 

[Nicktendo86]

I went in completely spoilerfree, and all I was thinking during that scene was "will they kill him? Does Ren get his redemption, does he choose the light? They won't actually kill Han Solo, right? Would they? Nah, don't kill Han. He has to die, Ren has no choice, he is too far gone."

I loved the emotion, the sadness in both Ford's and Driver's eyes. They sold that moment.

The moment when Han put his hand on Ren's face, after being stabbed and dying yet still obviously loved his son, had more emotion than the entire franchise combined. Was an amazing moment.

 

[More_Badass]

they're getting the devil himself, big boss for the episode 8 villain

episode 8 is on track to potentially be the best star wars film of all time. this fell short of a new hope and empire quite a bit imo, but with these characters and hopefully less commitment to retreading the original trilogy we'll get an amazing film

Oh wow, really?

Please let him be chilling and scary as fuck like in Sicario. And not silly like in Guardians

 

[Discotheque]

retreading's not even bad, creed sort of does the same thing with the rocky formula (though it adds a great twist to it). but man this just felt hilariously uninspired with that starkiller base imo, i kind of mentally checked out of that entire space battle and was way more engrossed in the stuff going on the ground-level.

edit: did y'all know that benicio was going to be darth maul in episode 1, but he dropped out of the film when his lines were significantly reduced.

 

[Bots are better than you]

One thing that keeps me busy thinking .... wasn't Snoke incredibly chilled just after being informed that the First Order is going to lose the Starkiller? Like "yeah ok Hux, get off the planet and bring Kylo Ren with you, all fine, Snoke out."?

So, is it because the main purpose, the destruction of the New Republic is done, or does the First Order have more super-weapons?

Also, maybe i did miss it, was the planet that got destroyed Coruscant? Or did the New Republic chose another planet for their capital?

 

[BattleMonkey]

But the horror of seeing his fellow Trooper dying in front of him also triggered his face turn, and not just the civilian deaths.

That seemed to be more of a case of combat shock, almost like his first time in combat possibly even. The gunning down of civilians was another moment where he figured out that the FO was in the wrong

 

[Shuggananas]

Oh wow, really?

Please let him be chilling and scary as fuck like in Sicario. And not silly like in Guardians

Well he wasn't a villain in guardians so...

 

[shira]

That's why she was running away for 95% of their fight?

Most of the fight she was on the defensive, fleeing and backing away from Ren. Only at the end when she becomes in tune with the Force, does she gain any kind of upperhand

It's like the mind trick. She had to work things out, then she even added a cherry on top. Once she used the meditation she was predicting and countering all his moves even though she only just picked up a lightsaber minutes earlier.

 

[DrROBschiz]

One thing that keeps me busy thinking .... wasn't Snoke incredibly chilled just after being informed that the First Order is going to lose the Starkiller? Like "yeah ok Hux, get off the planet and bring Kylo Ren with you, all fine, Snoke out."?

So, is it because the main purpose, the destruction of the New Republic is done, or does the First Order have more super-weapons?

Also, maybe i did miss it, was the planet that got destroyed Coruscant? Or did the New Republic chose another planet for their capital?

That whole scene where they just mindlessly murder entire planets full of nameless people

I mean.... I know they did it in the A New Hope but...

 

[Carbonox]

One thing that keeps me busy thinking .... wasn't Snoke incredibly chilled just after being informed that the First Order is going to lose the Starkiller? Like "yeah ok Hux, get off the planet and bring Kylo Ren with you, all fine, Snoke out."?

So, is it because the main purpose, the destruction of the New Republic is done, or does the First Order have more super-weapons?

Also, maybe i did miss it, was the planet that got destroyed Coruscant? Or did the New Republic chose another planet for their capital?

please be excited




for death star 4

 

[neorej]

One thing that keeps me busy thinking .... wasn't Snoke incredibly chilled just after being informed that the First Order is going to lose the Starkiller? Like "yeah ok Hux, get off the planet and bring Kylo Ren with you, all fine, Snoke out."?

So, is it because the main purpose, the destruction of the New Republic is done, or does the First Order have more super-weapons?

Also, maybe i did miss it, was the planet that got destroyed Coruscant? Or did the New Republic chose another planet for their capital?

My guess is that Snoke put all this in place to draw out Luke Skywalker.