Pai Pai Master
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It was more meant to hint for Rey that Finn knew more about the stormtroopers than he really should, but didn't really go anywhere since he told her anyways. That entire section of the movie just felt like a pointless detour.
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It was more meant to hint for Rey that Finn knew more about the stormtroopers than he really should, but didn't really go anywhere since he told her anyways. That entire section of the movie just felt like a pointless detour.
I felt that way in 1983. Back to Tatooine, another actual Death Star...it's all been done. Just gotta go with it.
My big hope is that this leads to Harrison doing one more solo non-SW flick where he appears to give a shit.
The last Ford performance I relished was The Fugitive 22 odd years ago and his last good popcorn flick turn in before this was Air Force One for me in sodding 1997.
Give me one more solid thriller akin to Frantic with a reinvigorated Ford before he retires and I'll be happy.
The last Ford performance I relished was The Fugitive 22 odd years ago and his last good popcorn flick turn in before this was Air Force One for me in sodding 1997.
Give me one more solid thriller akin to Frantic with a reinvigorated Ford before he retires and I'll be happy.
Messypandas
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Chuckie
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Of course he wasn't seduced. That's just what Kylo wants to believe.
Also Vaders motivation for wanting to kill the emperor in ep V and actually killing him weren't the same. First he just wanted to rule himself (with his son as second in command) when he did it it was because he was 'redeemed'. He did return to the Light Side in the end (and Kylo doesn't like that and thinks it is because of him being seduced)
Doesn't the film undermine the original trilogy, they needn't have bothered spending all that time getting the plans to the death star they should have just sat round a conference table 5 minutes before setting off to blow it up and figured it out, also why bother sending in the crack squad to endor to disable the shields, should have just sent in Han and chewie to stroll in and ask someone nicely to lower the shields
Napoleonthechimp
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That sure sounds like him.
Discotheque
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oh wow, i might be 50/50 on that now. i was so certain before. i can hear some of that daniel craig-bite to it but it's hard to tell.
Omegasquash
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And I'd bet pretty powerful, too. Ren didn't strike me as someone who the Force is with as strongly as it was with his grandfather or uncle, rather it was more that he knows how to do some proper Dark Side shit. That said, he is still strong with the Force.
My 6 y/o said that Rn was a weak, scared person. I don't think he's far off the mark. All that fear leads to anger, and Ren was almost nothing but anger.
WadiumArcadium
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Yep. I think so.
Shuggananas
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Without Finn they had no clue how to destroy it
DrROBschiz
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I just feel like Ben, having access to the real story...
I dunno... Im sure they will touch on when and where the transition takes place. It just seems like the weakest link so far.
It would be more compelling if Ben sought to USE the Sith for his own gain. Like he thinks hes clever and wants that power that everyone else throws away
I think it was important to establish that Han was back into his old smuggling ways, doing business with shaddy people, talking his way out of situations, etc.
ClosingADoor
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Luke came back with Vader's body right? Would imply he killed him. After that the legend spread. "It's true, all of it" etc like Han says. Why would anybody question if Luke did it. He was the only person walking away from the Death Star and the only Jedi in the universe.DerZuhälter;190053347 said:
There is a major threat. Luke helped defeat the most dangerous threat the universe had ever seen and is the only trained Force user on the good side, so you want his help and advice.
As far as the story is concerned, Episode VII having yet another death star was the most disappointing aspect for me. Maybe that's why Lucas never wanted to create Episode VII, because he was out of ideas how to proceed even back in 1983.
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Pai Pai Master
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Well yeah, and that woulda been fine without the needless alien attack sequence. That whole thing felt like it was only there to show off their cool monster design. A total time waster in a movie that needed time to breathe.
I think the fact that the rescue and subsequent mad scramble to blow up Starkiller Base consisted of only one type of fighter isn't too big of a stretch. Squadrons of fighters tend to be made out of the same type just due to logistics and efficiency as a unit. If that's all they had, that's all they're gonna use.
In the end, the story threw in what it needed to as a backdrop for Poe's ability, and it satisfied fan's thirst for more XvT. There's gonna be a lot of room to bring back everything else and/or see the upgrades in tech in the intervening 30 years.
Again, going back to the parallels to the Legends/old EU timeline, X-Wings WERE still in service at the time of Dark Nest trilogy, albeit newer, better models.
The X-Wings in TFA are significantly different in ways - under-dock/unassisted loading of Astromech (lol Luke @ Dagobah), the anti-personnel underslung cannon, the whole S-Foil design being different (notice in the picture, the lower foil is in front of the upper one, so they close in front of each other rather than flat against - the engine design is also different and closes to form one cylinder in the front of the S-Foil) to probably a generation's worth of upgrades across the board that aren't immediately apparent.
On the other side of the coin, TIEs used to be disposable one-man fighters for disposable pilots. You needed the helmet because the cockpit had no atmosphere. There were no eject seats You couldn't enter hyperspace with them (presumably you can in TFA since they were planning to escape in one).
Perhaps advancements in technology made TIE designs modular enough that it was possible to have multiple configurations in the same basic hexagonal fuselage type made the bomber and intercepter variants redundant. (Hey, they stole a TIE with a gunner seat and backwards-facing lasers). Perhaps not and we just haven't seen the bombers and interceptors and whatever constitutes for Advanced and Defender classifications.
It does go back to the whole 'bring in some recognizable things from ANH but keep it simple' concept - which I don't particularly agree with, but which works - and likely saving cooler stuff for later.
In the end, the story threw in what it needed to as a backdrop for Poe's ability, and it satisfied fan's thirst for more XvT. There's gonna be a lot of room to bring back everything else and/or see the upgrades in tech in the intervening 30 years.
Again, going back to the parallels to the Legends/old EU timeline, X-Wings WERE still in service at the time of Dark Nest trilogy, albeit newer, better models.
The X-Wings in TFA are significantly different in ways - under-dock/unassisted loading of Astromech (lol Luke @ Dagobah), the anti-personnel underslung cannon, the whole S-Foil design being different (notice in the picture, the lower foil is in front of the upper one, so they close in front of each other rather than flat against - the engine design is also different and closes to form one cylinder in the front of the S-Foil) to probably a generation's worth of upgrades across the board that aren't immediately apparent.
On the other side of the coin, TIEs used to be disposable one-man fighters for disposable pilots. You needed the helmet because the cockpit had no atmosphere. There were no eject seats You couldn't enter hyperspace with them (presumably you can in TFA since they were planning to escape in one).
Perhaps advancements in technology made TIE designs modular enough that it was possible to have multiple configurations in the same basic hexagonal fuselage type made the bomber and intercepter variants redundant. (Hey, they stole a TIE with a gunner seat and backwards-facing lasers). Perhaps not and we just haven't seen the bombers and interceptors and whatever constitutes for Advanced and Defender classifications.
It does go back to the whole 'bring in some recognizable things from ANH but keep it simple' concept - which I don't particularly agree with, but which works - and likely saving cooler stuff for later.
DrROBschiz
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They never clarify whether Luke recounts what actually happened between him and his Father
He was definitly proficient with the Force, he stopped a blaster shot mid-air, something I haven't seen Vader or any other Force-user do. But his best Force-moments were when he was calm and composed, unchallenged, I guess that's the part of his training yet to be completed; staying in control under stress. He's too easily distracted by his emotions.
VistraNorrez
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You are creating a scenario that doesn't exist. George kept that line ultimately, he could have changed it but cooler heads prevailed. And Ford likes Lucas a lot, he's praised him very recently. He worked with him on American Graffiti, 3 Star Wars movies, and 4 Indiana Jones. And by all accounts he is very proud of Crystal Skull. Lucas was also the guy that signed him up for this film.
But the fact is, this movie was a much better send off for Han than either killing him in carbonite, or sacrificing himself in Jedi. Plus we never would have gotten Kylo Ren.
WadiumArcadium
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Snoke? No, nothing else on him yet. And he's about 7ft according to Serkis. It was just a big hologram like the Emperor in Empire.
Vadars body will have (afaik) disappeared. But he would have had his suit.
Yep. That's him. For sure.
Especially noticeable after he got "Forced".
Going to see this again on wednesday. Still can't believe this one got such great reviews. I'm positive Episode VIII won't get such positive reviews though. Can't rely on nostalgia all the time.
Can't wait to see where this all leads! Shame Luke was in it for like 30 seconds but that was more then enough. I hope he atleast lights his green saber once!
WadiumArcadium
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Yeah, looks like Kylo had the suit's ashes too when he slams his mask down in the interrogation scene.
Jedi was literally EVERYTHING we had already seen before, except Ewoks (......) and the Emperor. Not counting Jabba as new as that was basically a flashier cantina.
Omegasquash
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Vader just palmed them off in Empire when Han shot him, but they looked like they got to him. Ren freezing Poe's shot was a clear statement that "this dude right here is a bad motherfucker".
The moments where he just went apeshit with the lightsaber though...I think the speaks to your thoughts on where he's yet to be trained. Of the stages of Dark Side, Ren is in anger. Which leads to hate, and then suffering.
Maybe Ep. VIII will see him moved along into hatred, something that Vader basically sustained himself on, IIRC.
Anyone watch the Episode 1-3 The Phantom Cut? Or any other fan made edit?
Any thoughts?
Oh shoot, thats TOTALLY him.
One question I had regarding this scene. How much does Rey know of the force in general? Earlier, at the mention of Skywalker she says something to the effect of "He isn't a myth?" So her trying to use force powers on a weaker mind in this scene, where did she learn of this concept? From tales of Jedi using this form or power?
Any thoughts?
Oh shoot, thats TOTALLY him.
One question I had regarding this scene. How much does Rey know of the force in general? Earlier, at the mention of Skywalker she says something to the effect of "He isn't a myth?" So her trying to use force powers on a weaker mind in this scene, where did she learn of this concept? From tales of Jedi using this form or power?
BattleMonkey
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Well there is two Tie Fighter types in the movie, the basic TIE's and the special forces TIE fighters. The special forces ones feature the rotating blaster canon turret on the bottom, so yea it sounds like those also have hyperdrives too since they intended to escape in it. The regular Tie Fighters mostly seen in the movie (the ones that don't have red stripe) according to game stuff have upgraded electronics/sensors as well as now having small amount of shielding added too.
The new X-Wings being an updated design also feature newer upgrades, but biggest difference being big increase in thrust/speed compared to the old X-Wings
I like the idea of each episode focusing on these escalating themes regarding Ren. Next one would almost certainly be him despising Rey and wanting to get revenge for her beating the shit out of him. Final one could be him inflicting suffering on someone (kills another major character) or himself suffering by the climax (surely he won't survive beyond Episode 9). Episode 7 was very much anger-focused for him as he lost his cool a lot.
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Did most people here (and in your circle of friends) wanted to see/saw the movie in 3D (not IMAX)? I did everything I could (and succeded) to avoid the 3D showing (which had way more screens in my city) even if that meant watching it a day later... but I'm curious on what the consensus is about the quality of the 3D (and if you have an opinion to share, do you normally enjoy 3D at the movies?).
Thanks to whoever feels like chiming in!
Thanks to whoever feels like chiming in!
Pai Pai Master
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You get the sense that he's being pulled by both light and dark sides so much harder than Anakin, like it's almost literally about to rip him in two.
Those moments were played up for humour but they felt devastating to watch, knowing what was brewing inside him.
I hope they give him some composure for the next Episode, because the way he is now, Luke will fuck him up with his eyes closed and his right hand tied behind his back.
MilkyJoe
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You got to be a bit more specific posting a 15 minute video...
Vader dematerialized blaster shots with his hand in ESB.
I felt the 3D was good. The only shot that bothered me was the helicoptershot at the end. Otherwise, the 3D in the dogfights especially was amazing.
Did you not watch the first few minutes of the movie or something? The movie opens with huge block letters "EPISODE VII".
Violence Jack
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After letting this movie settle in my brain for a bit, I'm starting to think that Kylo Ren might end up being even more terrifying than Vader. His behavior seems to be unpredictable, unhinged, and he might just be a little bit insane. If that ends up being the case, Kylo Ren is going to fuck some shit up in a very big way.
petethepanda
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For me it was the usual "perfectly fine but didn't add anything" situation, which is how I feel about most 3d movies lately. (It's post-converted 3D, but we're to the point where those are alright.)
You have to buy, and read all 100 books to fill in all the gaps.
What?
Chuckie
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I saw it in regular 3D. It didn't bother me and in some scenes it was actually rather good. A bit better than usual tbh.
Next time I will watch it in 2D and compare the two.
Wait...what?
It opens with Episode VII in the title roll.
You have to buy, and read all 100 books to fill in all the gaps. There won't be prequels to this part of the story at least.
Fbh
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So just wondering.
Is there any media that fills the gap between episode VI and VII a bit.
One thing I didn't like about the movie is that it looked like nothing much had changed in the last 30 years. I get that stopping Vader and killing the emperor didn't suddenly turn the whole conflict into an insta win for the rebels. But damn, 30 years later and they are still this rather small group in what seems like these improvised bases?. It would have been cool to see them as a bigger organization by now
I saw it in 3D because it was the only version they were showing in english near my town (people here love their dubs)
It was your average 3D movie. A few scenes that take advantage of the effect (the front shot of the destroyer was pretty cool) and otherwise that sense of depth you get with 3D movies.
As someone who doesn't hate nor love 3D movies it was fine.
Is there any media that fills the gap between episode VI and VII a bit.
One thing I didn't like about the movie is that it looked like nothing much had changed in the last 30 years. I get that stopping Vader and killing the emperor didn't suddenly turn the whole conflict into an insta win for the rebels. But damn, 30 years later and they are still this rather small group in what seems like these improvised bases?. It would have been cool to see them as a bigger organization by now
I saw it in 3D because it was the only version they were showing in english near my town (people here love their dubs)
It was your average 3D movie. A few scenes that take advantage of the effect (the front shot of the destroyer was pretty cool) and otherwise that sense of depth you get with 3D movies.
As someone who doesn't hate nor love 3D movies it was fine.
Oops, I obviously wasn't paying attention
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