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[DrROBschiz]

19 years is quite the time to spend plotting.

Probably had nothing he desired at the time since he had no idea Padme delivered children

Once he learned he had a son and daughter thats when life jumped back into Vader.

He started acting own his own more often and seems to care way more about seeing and convincing his son than seeing the Emperors plan succeed

 

[Gonzalez]

Did JJ put in a bunch of Lost style mysteries that no one can fucking answer in future movies?

 

[The Chef]

Seems like it. He rages when he hears BB-8 and Finn escaped with a girl IIRC.

That was my favorite moment with Ren.

Did JJ put in a bunch of Lost style mysteries that no one can fucking answer in future movies?

Such as?

 

[Solo]

One thing I don't like about Luke's story going forward. I know they are making him into an Obi Wan character, what with his self-imposed exile, etc., but I think it hurts him as a character to have the man who resisted the dark side, redeemed his father, and saved the galaxy to pack up and run away when his apprentice goes on a murderous spree.

 

[DrROBschiz]

Did JJ put in a bunch of Lost style mysteries that no one can fucking answer in future movies?

The only mystery just seems to be the history of the main characters and what happened in the 30 year gap

 

[Kor of Memory]

So as someone who literally just started watching the Clone Wars cartoon an hour ago.

Should I pay any attention to the fact that the Ventress chick is addressed as "Supreme Leader" by the droids?

I admit, she has some similiar physical characteristics to Snoke.

 

[Shuggananas]

Did JJ put in a bunch of Lost style mysteries that no one can fucking answer in future movies?

According to leaks for VIII, the rebels retrieve Han's body and Miles reads his thoughts for vital information

 

[VistraNorrez]

Harrison Ford never gave two shits about star wars, it was amazing that JJ convinced him to go back to that role again, I knew they would kill him, I didn't see Ford wanting to do another SW movie after TFA

It was George Lucas who signed him and Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill up. Lucas didn't just sell Lucasfilm and Star Wars to Disney, he put together a whole package.

 

[SomTervo]

So I think I figured out why Finn said he was in sanitation yet he was on the ground in the beginning.

Wait, people are debating this? There's nothing to it!

I'm paraphrasing, but he essentially says "One time [in the past] I was stationed here."

He's not saying "I was stationed here. All the time. Period."

In essence, he states that during the construction of Starkiller base he was there doing sanitation. But the implication obviously is that he moved onto other units/regiments and was then a literal stormtrooper.

Really clear from the dialogue that this is the case. People are so bad at reading between the lines in this movie. It's one of its strengths, imo.

 

[VincentMatts]

My number one theory for Rey is that she's Ren's sister. While her force powers are improving, I'd imagine he's at the stage where he could sense the relationship. To what stage who knows based on what we've seen but I prefer the idea more than her being Luke's and find little tidbits in the film pointing more in that direction than any other. Her being left alone on a shitdump of a planet by Leia and Han is a bit silly, mind, but keeping her away from everyone and everything because maybe they suspected the risk with Ren could make sense from a story POV.

No way, if anything shes Lukes kid, not Hans. leia and han never mention her once, but mention the other kid? Doesnt make sense. its Lukes daughter.

 

[DrROBschiz]

One thing I don't like about Luke's story going forward. I know they are making him into an Obi Wan character, what with his self-imposed exile, etc., but I think it hurts him as a character to have the man who resisted the dark side, redeemed his father, and saved the galaxy to pack up and run away when his apprentice goes on a murderous spree.

I have no idea how they are going to frame the murder turn in some compelling way

 

[gregor7777]

Time travel incoming. No question about it.

Lost Stars.

Tarkin.

If you want not canon but totally still fits canon get Darth Plagueis.

Thanks!

 

[Inferno313]

So as someone who literally just started watching the Clone Wars cartoon an hour ago.

Should I pay any attention to the fact that the Ventress chick is addressed as "Supreme Leader" by the droids?

I admit, she has some similiar physical characteristics to Snoke.

Honestly I doubt Lawrence Kasdan would even know who Ventress is.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

I think people are reading too much into this... If he had history with Rey, why doesn't he bring it up when interrogating her? Why is he so surprised by her Force use?

I dunno, it's all still up in the air at the moment. My theory is that Rey was at Luke's academy, Kylo knew of her but she was shipped off to Jakku before he wiped out the academy. I could be wrong though.

I'm not sure he's surprised she's force sensitive, more how powerful she appears to be already.

 

[ProtomanNeo]

I'll be interested in seeing what Ren looks like in the next film. He's banged up pretty bad, and will probably need cybernetics. He may end up looking closer to the early concept art. It's funny he wanted to be more like Vader, and got what he wished for.

 

[dragonyeuw]

Thats what made Vader compelling

He was always plotting and independent for the most part. Wasnt the Emperors bitch

He was the imperial muscle at first( ANH), subservient not only to the emperor but to Tarkin as well. Subsequent movies fleshed him out as having his own motivations asides from simply serving under Palpatine. It makes you wonder what form the series would have taken if, back in 1977, Vader didn't become a pop culture sensation.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Really clear from the dialogue that this is the case. People are so bad at reading between the lines in this movie. It's one of its strengths, imo.

Nah man I gotta see how many hours Rey has logged into Microsoft Starship Flight Simulator

 

[Henkka]

I dunno, it's all still up in the air at the moment. My theory is that Rey was at Luke's academy, Kylo knew of her but she was shipped off to Jakku before he wiped out the academy. I could be wrong though.

I'm not sure he's surprised she's force sensitive, more how powerful she appears to be already.

In order for this theory to work though, wouldn't Rey have to have some form of amnesia? Really hope that isn't the case.

 

[DrROBschiz]

I dunno, it's all still up in the air at the moment. My theory is that Rey was at Luke's academy, Kylo knew of her but she was shipped off to Jakku before he wiped out the academy. I could be wrong though.

I'm not sure he's surprised she's force sensitive, more how powerful she appears to be already.

I have a feeling that the Mind control powers are going to be the driving plot device

The manipulation of thoughts and memories. Maybe Luke crossed some lines that shouldnt have been crossed.

He HAS to be the catalyst for everything and possibly somewhat of a Villain himself... as least as far as bad decisions leading to what happened

 

[fastmower]

Wait, people are debating this? There's nothing to it!

I'm paraphrasing, but he essentially says "One time [in the past] I was stationed here."

He's not saying "I was stationed here. All the time. Period."

In essence, he states that during the construction of Starkiller base he was there doing sanitation. But the implication obviously is that he moved onto other units/regiments and was then a literal stormtrooper.

Really clear from the dialogue that this is the case. People are so bad at reading between the lines in this movie. It's one of its strengths, imo.

Exactly. It's not hard to figure out that people can have multiple jobs throughout their life! Think, people!

 

[mcrommert]

One thing I don't like about Luke's story going forward. I know they are making him into an Obi Wan character, what with his self-imposed exile, etc., but I think it hurts him as a character to have the man who resisted the dark side, redeemed his father, and saved the galaxy to pack up and run away when his apprentice goes on a murderous spree.

Eh makes sense if it is anything like Kyp Durron's fall to the dark side but it never ended. His failing to restart the jedi is probably the greatest failing he could possible have.

 

[More_Badass]

I have no idea how they are going to frame the murder turn in some compelling way

Perhaps more his bloodline once again turned to the dark side and destroyed the Jedi for a second time

 

[Sorcerer]

One thing I don't like about Luke's story going forward. I know they are making him into an Obi Wan character, what with his self-imposed exile, etc., but I think it hurts him as a character to have the man who resisted the dark side, redeemed his father, and saved the galaxy to pack up and run away when his apprentice goes on a murderous spree.

He probably felt the universe on his shoulders being the last Jedi, add to the fact that he failed at least his own Sister and Solo with Kylo, and is possibly responsible for creating another Vader.
He probably felt he did more damage than good and is conflicted about the Force.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

In order for this theory to work though, wouldn't Rey have to have some form of amnesia? Really hope that isn't the case.

Kylo can extract things from people's minds using the force. Maybe Luke could do the opposite.

I have a feeling that the Mind control powers are going to be the driving plot device

The manipulation of thoughts and memories. Maybe Luke crossed some lines that shouldnt have been crossed.

He HAS to be the catalyst for everything and possibly somewhat of a Villain himself... as least as far as bad decisions leading to what happened

Yeah, that's where I feel it's going but I could be wrong.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

In order for this theory to work though, wouldn't Rey have to have some form of amnesia? Really hope that isn't the case.

It was clearly a traumatic event for her and she was very young, it's possible she just put her time at the academy out of her mind as a result of the trauma

 

[ProtomanNeo]

I dunno, it's all still up in the air at the moment. My theory is that Rey was at Luke's academy, Kylo knew of her but she was shipped off to Jakku before he wiped out the academy. I could be wrong though.

I'm not sure he's surprised she's force sensitive, more how powerful she appears to be already.

According to novelization he definitely knows who she is but they don't come right out and say who she is. In final battle when Rey retrieves the Lightsaber from the snow. Kylo apparently says "It's you."

 

[Interfectum]

The more I digest this movie, the more I'm liking it. I'm going to see it again tonight but right now it ranks easily within the original trilogy for me. Kylo is awesome... I can't wait to see what they do with him.

 

[VincentMatts]

He probably felt the universe on his shoulders being the last Jedi, add to the fact that he failed at least his own Sister and Solo with Kylo, and is possibly responsible for creating another Vader.
He probably felt he did more damage than good and is conflicted about the Force.

And yet planets are getting destroyed, you know he feels it and yet he just sits idly by on his rock doing nothing cause of the academy? Plus his friend gets killed. Nope, staying on my rock. That rubbed me the wrong way.

 

[DrROBschiz]

According to novelization he definitely knows who she is but they don't come right out and say who she is. In final battle when Rey retrieves the Lightsaber from the snow. Kylo apparently says "It's you."

Yeah

Kylo knows who she is. Has to

 

[WadiumArcadium]

According to novelization he definitely knows who she is but they don't come right out and say it. In the when Rey retrieves the Lightsaber from the snow. Kylo apparently says "It's you."

I remember back when the first toys came out, I saw a video of a Kylo toy saying "Is it true? You're just a scavenger?"

It wasn't in the film but it also hints he knows her.

 

[Future PhaZe]

Kylo Ren is delusional, like all of those seduced by the Dark Side. That want the Dark Side to be more powerful than the Light, so they do whatever they need to make that happen going so far as to believe that it's the right thing to do.

My theory is that Kylo feels that the sole purpose of the Skywalker line is to serve Plageuis--as he literally created them.

 

[Sorcerer]

And yet planets are getting destroyed, you know he feels it and yet he just sits idly by on his rock doing nothing cause of the academy? That rubbed me the wrong way.

Or maybe he just fears Kylo finding him and is truly hiding for that reason? But it would be weird to think he couldn't easily take Kylo on.

 

[VincentMatts]

Yeah

Kylo knows who she is. Has to

Theyre cousins, im sure of it.

 

[Shuggananas]

I remember back when the first toys came out, I saw a video of a Kylo toy saying "Is it true? You're just a scavenger?"

It wasn't in the film but it also hints he knows her.

No it doesn't

 

[Interfectum]

Theyre cousins, im sure of it.

I still think Rey is somehow related to Kenobi and they are priming for a show down of Anakin vs Obi-Wan descendants in Episode 9.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

No it doesn't

It does. From a certain point of view. The novel also confirmed it so I'm interpreting it that way.

 

[VincentMatts]

Or maybe he just fears Kylo finding him and is truly hiding for that reason? But it would be weird to think he couldn't easily take Kylo on.

Rey kicked his ass, Luke would dismantle him.

 

[Haloid1177]

According to novelization he definitely knows who she is but they don't come right out and say who she is. In final battle when Rey retrieves the Lightsaber from the snow. Kylo apparently says "It's you."

I guess I'm gonna have to read the novelization now since that actually seems pretty big. Really hope the initial rumor of her being Luke's favorite pupil at his Temple comes true.

 

[Discotheque]

I still think Rey is somehow related to Kenobi and they are priming for a show down of Anakin vs Obiwan descendants in Episode 9.

really want this way more than her being skywalker blood.

 

[Gonzalez]

It was clearly a traumatic event for her and she was very young, it's possible she just put her time at the academy out of her mind as a result of the trauma

It appear everyone in the Star Wars universe has had a fucking traumatic event that made them forget easy to remember things.

 

[Violence Jack]

Theyre cousins, im sure of it.

This is my thought as well.

 

[neorej]

Or maybe he just fears Kylo finding him and is truly hiding for that reason? But it would be weird to think he couldn't easily take Kylo on.

Maybe he's not hiding from Kylo, but from Snoke....

 

[takriel]

One thing I don't like about Luke's story going forward. I know they are making him into an Obi Wan character, what with his self-imposed exile, etc., but I think it hurts him as a character to have the man who resisted the dark side, redeemed his father, and saved the galaxy to pack up and run away when his apprentice goes on a murderous spree.

There's clearly more going on than just Kylo Ren being seduced to the Dark Side that led to Luke's exile. We'll see in Ep 8.

 

[Lights and Waves]

My number one theory for Rey is that she's Ren's sister. While her force powers are improving, I'd imagine he's at the stage where he could sense the relationship. To what stage who knows based on what we've seen but I prefer the idea more than her being Luke's and find little tidbits in the film pointing more in that direction than any other. Her being left alone on a shitdump of a planet by Leia and Han is a bit silly, mind, but keeping her away from everyone and everything because maybe they suspected the risk with Ren could make sense from a story POV.

There's no way. The filmed implied that Han knew her true identity when he spoke to Maz. When he and Leia met they made no mention of having a daughter or trying to find her after all these years. And when Leia hugged Rey at the end and sent her to deliver the saber, it felt like Leia knew who Rey was and did so accordingly.

 

[Henkka]

Kylo can extract things from people's minds using the force. Maybe Luke could do the opposite.

It was clearly a traumatic event for her and she was very young, it's possible she just put her time at the academy out of her mind as a result of the trauma

I just think all kinds of memory wipes are sorta cheap plot devices. I suppose the trauma explanation is somewhat plausible, since children's memories can actually work like that in real life.

 

[Gonzalez]

Theyre cousins, im sure of it.

"So it's like totally okay if we do it, Rey."

 

[Kor of Memory]

And yet planets are getting destroyed, you know he feels it and yet he just sits idly by on his rock doing nothing cause of the academy? Plus his friend gets killed. Nope, staying on my rock. That rubbed me the wrong way.

When every time you've tried to better the world, it ends up getting fucked later anyway... You wonder if maybe you are the problem.

When your father, and your nephew are both notorious for the dark side ways, maybe you'd be concerned that it's only a matter of time before you take a ride down the dark side water slide.

Really, there are plenty of reasons for Luke to exile himself.

 

[JB1981]

One thing I don't like about Luke's story going forward. I know they are making him into an Obi Wan character, what with his self-imposed exile, etc., but I think it hurts him as a character to have the man who resisted the dark side, redeemed his father, and saved the galaxy to pack up and run away when his apprentice goes on a murderous spree.

Not just any apprentice, his nephew and godson most likely. Dude is so distraught over his failings that he went looking for the first Jedi temple. He has no one to turn to for guidance. Hes the last of the Jedi, literally alone in the universe with nothing but his own powerful and conflicted thoughts about the force. I think it can work just fine.

Maybe he's also waging is own force-centric war against Snoke in isolation. Who knows

 

[mcrommert]

My theory is that Kylo feels that the sole purpose of the Skywalker line is to serve Plageuis--as he literally created them.

Yeah i can 100% tell you they aren't going to go back to the prequel "created by the force" nonsense...that is done and buried even if it is still canon

 

[enigmatic_alex44]

Mhmm, I loved the movie but it didn't beat Revenge of the Sith for best Star Wars film, and Empire Strikes back is still 2nd place imo. I think Force Awakens will land comfortably at #3 for me.

Force Awakens actually has a BETTER cast than the OT (Oscaar Isaac, Daisy Ridley, John Boyega and BB-8 are all amazing), but unlike ROTS and ESB, it has REALLY POOR villains. A hologram of Azog and an emotional goofy Andy Samberg in a mask aren't threatening or compelling in the least. Hopefully Episode VIII has better villains. I actually had no problem with the Death Star redux though.

Carrie Fisher also can't act worth a damn, showing that Leia was no better than Padme after all.

My top 3 films of 2015:

1. Mad Max: Fury Road
2. Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 2
3. Star Wars: The Force Awakens