[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up

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ProtomanNeo said:
I'll be interested in seeing what Ren looks like in the next film. He's banged up pretty bad, and will probably need cybernetics. He may end up looking closer to the early concept art. It's funny he wanted to be more like Vader, and got what he wished for.
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Also with Snoke apparently gearing up to finish his training and anger of his defeat Ren could potentially be on the cusp of breaking through to another level. For sure I can see him wielding Force lightning, but who knows what else.
 
JB1981 said:
Not just any apprentice, his nephew and godson most likely. Dude is so distraught over his failings that he went looking for the first Jedi temple. He has no one to turn to for guidance. Hes the last of the Jedi, literally alone in the universe with nothing but his own powerful and conflicted thoughts about the force. I think it can work just fine.
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If Rey is his daughter then Luke might have lost his wife as well.
 
Solo said:
One thing I don't like about Luke's story going forward. I know they are making him into an Obi Wan character, what with his self-imposed exile, etc., but I think it hurts him as a character to have the man who resisted the dark side, redeemed his father, and saved the galaxy to pack up and run away when his apprentice goes on a murderous spree.
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Luke must have been driven mad to an extent. If he ran away, he clearly feels responsible. I wouldn't be surprised if Luke actually taught his students about the Dark Side. He did it by using Vader as his example, but instead of turning Ben off if it, it turned him on to it. And Luke feels like he failed.

I am very interested to see how the destruction that Starkiller Base wrought affected him. It should have put him in a Jedi coma going by the large of amount of life lost. And of course you known he felt Han's death.

And actually the saddest part of Han's death is we will never see a reunion between Han Luke and Leia.
 
enigmatic_alex44 said:
Mhmm, I loved the movie but it didn't beat Revenge of the Sith for best Star Wars film, and Empire Strikes back is still 2nd place imo. I think Force Awakens will land comfortably at #3 for me.

Force Awakens actually has a BETTER cast than the OT (Oscaar Isaac, Daisy Ridley, John Boyega and BB-8 are all amazing), but unlike ROTS and ESB, it has REALLY POOR villains. A hologram of Azog and an emotional goofy Andy Samberg in a mask aren't threatening or compelling in the least. Hopefully Episode VIII has better villains. I actually had no problem with the Death Star redux though.

Carrie Fisher also can't act worth a damn, showing that Leia was no better than Padme after all.
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My top 3 films of 2015:

1. Mad Max: Fury Road
2. Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 2
3. Star Wars: The Force Awakens
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Na i dont agree, the prequels dialog is just so consistently bad, i just cant get passed it. Everytime Anakin speaks to padme (and vice versa) i wanna stick needles in my eyes.
 
Solo said:
One thing I don't like about Luke's story going forward. I know they are making him into an Obi Wan character, what with his self-imposed exile, etc., but I think it hurts him as a character to have the man who resisted the dark side, redeemed his father, and saved the galaxy to pack up and run away when his apprentice goes on a murderous spree.
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I kind of agree, but I suppose it depends on what exactly Luke has been doing since he left. It's not exactly like Obi-Wan, who went into hiding for the sake of hiding; Luke is deliberately seeking out the first Jedi temple for something.
 
Sorcerer said:
Or maybe he just fears Kylo finding him and is truly hiding for that reason? But it would be weird to think he couldn't easily take Kylo on.
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More likely he's hiding from Snoke and the whole Knights of Wren until Rey came of age as he couldn't defeat them alone. And as the last Jedi, he couldn't risk dying without passing on his training to someone who could rebuild the order after Snoke's demise.

Much like Yoda and Obi-Wan going into exile to bide their time until Luke was old enough to be trained, take down Palpatine and rebuild the order.
 
Is it true that toys of Rey are hard to find? Not because they're sold out but because there's barely any toys of her compared to other characters?
 
Man the thirst for Rey to be Luke's kid is real.... but I'm not buying it.

Luke was ready to sacrifice his life for Vader, him abandoning his daughter wouldn't fit his character imo. I would think Luke would've placed a little more emphasis on family considering his own family history


Oh and between the temper tantrums and getting whooped by Rey, it's going to be hard for me to take Kyho seriously from here.
 
VistraNorrez said:
Luke must have been driven mad to an extent. If he ran away, he clearly feels responsible. I wouldn't be surprised if Luke actually taught his students about the Dark Side. He did it by using Vader as his example, but instead of turning Ben off if it, it turned him on to it. And Luke feels like he failed.

I am very interested to see how the destruction that Starkiller Base wrought affected him. It should have put him in a Jedi coma going by the large of amount of life lost. And of course you known he felt Han's death.

And actually the saddest part of Han's death is we will never see a reunion between Han Luke and Leia.
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Blader said:
I kind of agree, but I suppose it depends on what exactly Luke has been doing since he left. It's not exactly like Obi-Wan, who went into hiding for the sake of hiding; Luke is deliberately seeking out the first Jedi temple for something.
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I guess I'll have to exercise some patience til 2017 to see haha. You guys are probably both right. Just at first glance, it strikes me as out of character for Skywalker to flee instead of taking down his dark side apprentice.
 
mcrommert said:
Yeah i can 100% tell you they aren't going to go back to the prequel "created by the force" nonsense...that is done and buried even if it is still canon
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I will take your word for it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

What possible dark force user could have been chilling out all these years--powerful enough to get Luke shook.
 
Blader said:
I kind of agree, but I suppose it depends on what exactly Luke has been doing since he left. It's not exactly like Obi-Wan, who went into hiding for the sake of hiding; Luke is deliberately seeking out the first Jedi temple for something.
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And trying very hard to conceal his tracks to the galaxy, for the most part.

But there is a map. I don't think he's necessarily "hiding", but he definitely doesn't want the galaxy, including Snoke or Ren, to know where the temple is.

Solo said:
I guess I'll have to exercise some patience til 2017 to see haha. You guys are probably both right. Just at first glance, it strikes me as out of character for Skywalker to flee instead of taking down his dark side apprentice.
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Luke isn't known for killing family...he's known for trying to save them, no matter what.
 
Solo said:
One thing I don't like about Luke's story going forward. I know they are making him into an Obi Wan character, what with his self-imposed exile, etc., but I think it hurts him as a character to have the man who resisted the dark side, redeemed his father, and saved the galaxy to pack up and run away when his apprentice goes on a murderous spree.
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If Rey is Luke's daughter, that could give us more insight into why Luke went into hiding. It's likely that Luke lost his wife and was forced to abandon his daughter, probably felt at fault for Han and Leia's relationship falling apart, watched who-knows how many of his padawans die, and watched his nephew embrace the worst parts of Anakin's legacy. It's hard not to blame Luke for going into exile.
 
D1renegade said:
Man the thirst for Rey to be Luke's kid is real.... but I'm not buying it.

Luke was ready to sacrifice his life for Vader, him abandoning his daughter wouldn't fit his character imo. I would think Luke would've placed a little more emphasis on family considering his own family history


Oh and between the temper tantrums and getting whooped by Rey, it's going to be hard for me to take Kyho seriously from here.
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Here's my theory for why Luke would abandon his daughter... He could sense that she had the potential to be the greatest Force user in the galaxy, far surpassing himself, Anakin, Yoda and Palpatine.

The Force is useful in the right hands, but also incredibly dangerous. If Rey mastered the Force and succumbed to the dark side, the results would be catastrophic. So Luke chose to hide her instead, so she would never learn the ways of the Force. It's for her own protection, and the galaxy's.
 
Sephzilla said:
If Rey is Luke's daughter, that could give us more insight into why Luke went into hiding. It's likely that Luke lost his wife and was forced to abandon his daughter, probably felt at fault for Han and Leia's relationship falling apart, watched who-knows how many of his padawans die, and watched his nephew embrace the worst parts of Anakin's legacy. It's hard not to blame Luke for going into exile.
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Yeah but damn

The path from apprentice to THAT though? There has to be a catalyst that makes sense

I just hope its better than the shit framing they used for Anakin
 
BY2K said:
Is it true that toys of Rey are hard to find? Not because they're sold out but because there's barely any toys of her compared to other characters?
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I don't know, I saw a figure of her just like all the other figures (I am talking about the small Hasbro ones)

Big figures I have only seen Stormtroopers and Kylo so far.



(I am talking about cheap toys in the toy store, not those 400 dollar figurines)
 
As he is now I really do find Snoke to be a super lame villain honestly. At best he's a Palpatine expy, at worst he's a Thanos expy. It's hard to give a shit about him either way, especially when Kylo is a far more compelling antagonist.
 
D1renegade said:
Man the thirst for Rey to be Luke's kid is real.... but I'm not buying it.

Luke was ready to sacrifice his life for Vader, him abandoning his daughter wouldn't fit his character imo. I would think Luke would've placed a little more emphasis on family considering his own family history


Oh and between the temper tantrums and getting whooped by Rey, it's going to be hard for me to take Kyho seriously from here.
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We've no idea who Rey's mother is, could be she took her away from Luke because she didn't want her trained. Could be he knocked up a hooker in a space bar and didn't realise he had a kid. :)

Also, why do people keep bringing up the book. If it isn't in the films then it didn't happen, so far as the films are concerned.
 
Solo said:
I guess I'll have to exercise some patience til 2017 to see haha. You guys are probably both right. Just at first glance, it strikes me as out of character for Skywalker to flee instead of taking down his dark side apprentice.
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I agree, it seems way out of character. And Luke fleeing, it could be argued, led to Starkiller Base being built and getting that one shot off that wiped out the Republic government. No matter what happens, Luke now has that to deal with. And of course Han had to confront Kylo, which led to his death. Rey has to be someone special to convince Luke to comeback.

Luke's story is going to be very hard to pull off. I'm not remotely surprised JJ didn't want to address it in this film.
 
Omegasquash said:
Luke isn't known for killing family...he's known for trying to save them, no matter what.
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Sorry, poor wording - I didn't mean murder by "take him down". I meant bring him to justice or redeem him. But mostly I meant taking a stand and fighting back against the dark side instead of fleeing.
 
VistraNorrez said:
It was George Lucas who signed him and Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill up. Lucas didn't just sell Lucasfilm and Star Wars to Disney, he put together a whole package.
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Yes this whole "Ford hates Star Wars" narrative that's grown over the years is at this point so objectively false. He never hated the originals nor wanted to distance himself from them. He thought they were cheese and didn't want them to define his career, but outside of that he could take or leave them. It's pretty well known though that George convinced Ford to come back for this one before he sold the company, and as we can now safely guess Han dying probably played a big part in both him wanting to come back AND in his performance, which is probably his best performance in a decade or two. You can clearly see this was his last hurrah. Knowing what he cleared on this movie I would not be shocked if he retires permanently. Maybe that was his intent. Either way the results couldn't have turned out better.
 
Gonzalez said:
Her, and Ford were fucking awful. It pisses me off that the guy who really wants to impress, and reclaim his prime years gets zero dialog.
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Ford wasnt too bad

I thought he did a great job all things considered

But yeah the scenes with Fisher and Ford were wildly unsatisfying
 
Darth Karja said:
Too bad. I would love to watch someone eat a shirt. I don't get the Plagues theory. Palpatine is very thorough with his plans. There is no way he wouldn't make sure the job was finished.
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Plaguies could have figured out a version of the being one with force but through the Dark Side. I wouldn't be surprised if the story committee looked to early Jedi drafts where Obi-Wan and Yoda took on physical forms to help Luke.
 
DrROBschiz said:
Yeah but damn

The path from apprentice to THAT though? There has to be a catalyst that makes sense

I just hope its better than the shit framing they used for Anakin
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My theory is that Luke realized that Ben was extremely gifted with The Force and was extra careful with him to make sure that power didn't go to Ben's head, and Ben/Kylo eventually got frustrated with it (or Snoke got into Ben's head a little). Vader at one point was the most revered and powerful person in the galaxy besides The Emperor himself. TFA has already shown us that Kylo has an obsession with Vader, and combine his natural Skywalker Force prowess with a potential bit of his father's ego and greed = Kylo goes dark.

Lifejumper said:
Anyone feel the helicopter shot was a bit random? I mean the rest of the film is shot beautiful.
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I would be 100% okay if they replace the helicopter shot with a static shot for the bluray release
 
enigmatic_alex44 said:
Mhmm, I loved the movie but it didn't beat Revenge of the Sith for best Star Wars film, and Empire Strikes back is still 2nd place imo. I think Force Awakens will land comfortably at #3 for me.

Force Awakens actually has a BETTER cast than the OT (Oscaar Isaac, Daisy Ridley, John Boyega and BB-8 are all amazing), but unlike ROTS and ESB, it has REALLY POOR villains. A hologram of Azog and an emotional goofy Andy Samberg in a mask aren't threatening or compelling in the least. Hopefully Episode VIII has better villains. I actually had no problem with the Death Star redux though.

Carrie Fisher also can't act worth a damn, showing that Leia was no better than Padme after all.
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My top 3 films of 2015:

1. Mad Max: Fury Road
2. Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 2
3. Star Wars: The Force Awakens
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Man, dude. I can't agree with you at all. While I agree that Kylo Ren isn't the most intimidating villain in the series, he's one of the most interesting. I can't see how anyone could say he's lesser than Count Dooku and General Grevious. Those are some hokey, goofy-ass villains.

I agree that the cast is amazing, and I'd honestly say that Adam Driver was one of my favorite members of it.

Also, Mockingjay Part 2 may be the single worst blockbuster of 2015 for me personally. People like hating on JW in Star Wars threads, but I'd watch JW 30 times before I watch Mockingjay Part 2 again.
 
So, finally saw it last night. quick impressions: Better than the prequels but is too close to ANH for me to love it.

The Positives: Anything that has almost zero ties to OT. The Rey and Finn Falcon chase in the beginning might be the highlight of this. Rey getting the ligthsaber at the end. Rey's intro in general.

The Cons: anything that pulls heavily from ANH, from emo vader to another fucking deathstar. Too much Han. Carrie Fisher was kinda weak as leia. Finn could've been better developed. The climax has zero tension as the stakes are never really taken seriously. In that sense, the climax felt similar to Ultron, where a lot was happening but I couldn't give much of a shit since it seems that 5 planets just fucking got wiped and no one cared. ANH made you terrified of the deathstar because of how everyone took the wiping of Alderaan seriously and how insane that felt. I felt nothing of the sort in TFA.

Weirdly enough, i thought the space battles were kinda flat. Even the prequels got this occasionally right. I didn't really care for them in TFA

Also, christ almighty they were as subtle as a sack of bricks to the face with the whole Space Nazis thing. And I didn't care for space voldemort, he didn't strike me as menacing as the emperor was in OT.

But that's a lot of shitting on by me. The characters were well written enough where I wasn't having a cringefest like i was during the prequels. BB was a lot of fun. That opening shot was outstanding.

So now a couple of questions: What's the deal with the republic having an active rebellion? That seems poorly named unless they're rebelling against them. Shouldn't it be a militia instead?

Also, maybe i missed it but who was the old obi-wan-like guy in the beginning and how/why does he have that chunk of Luke's map? I'm not one of those people who needs a film to explain every detail but given the importance related to the map I want to know if i just missed the explanation. And why would luke make a map to find him when he wants to not be found?

I saw the movie late last night and didn't have a chance to review the spoiler threads to see if these things have been answered so sorry in advance if these are common questions
 
Gonzalez said:
Her, and Ford were fucking awful. It pisses me off that the guy who really wants to impress, and reclaim his prime years gets zero dialog.
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Joke post? Huh? Ford probably has the second most dialog in the movie after Rey... And maybe Finn. His performance was easily on par with the OT.
 
borghe said:
Joke post? Huh? Ford probably has the second most dialog in the movie after Rey... And maybe Finn. His performance was easily on par with the OT.
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Yeah, I was surprised by how well he captured Han after all these years.

Also, "BEN!!" was awsome.
 
borghe said:
Joke post? Huh? Ford probably has the second most dialog in the movie after Rey... And maybe Finn. His performance was easily on par with the OT.
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Think he's referring to Hamil.

I agree that Fisher wasn't great... But Ford put in some of his best work in a decade here.
 
Sephzilla said:
My theory is that Luke realized that Ben was extremely gifted with The Force and was extra careful with him to make sure that power didn't go to Ben's head, and Ben/Kylo eventually got frustrated with it (or Snoke got into Ben's head a little). Vader at one point was the most revered and powerful person in the galaxy besides The Emperor himself. TFA has already shown us that Kylo has an obsession with Vader, and combine his natural Skywalker Force prowess with a potential bit of his father's ego and greed = Kylo goes dark.
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Its just odd

Vader was pretty much the Emperors muscle until he found out he had family. It was then he had aspirations to reunite his family to rule the galaxy

I dont get any of those vibes from Ben. They could have at LEAST given Ben some hint that he has no plans of being a Sith bitch. That would make him more compelling and more of a wild card.
 
borghe said:
Joke post? Huh? Ford probably has the second most dialog in the movie after Rey... And maybe Finn. His performance was easily on par with the OT.
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I'm assuming he's talking about Mark Hamill.

Also question before I start reading through this entire thread - is this for spoilers only for The Force Awakens or is this thread also talking about potential spoilers/leaks for Episode VIII and IX?
 
Gonzalez said:
Seriously I think I'm most pissed because all the casuals that watched TFA are going to leave this movie, and still think that Hammil is a one trick pony who can't act.
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We already had people in here asking if Hamill can be good enough for Episode VIII because he apparently hasn't acted in anything since ROTJ

MisterAnderson said:
I'm assuming he's talking about Mark Hamill.

Also question before I start reading through this entire thread - is this for spoilers only for The Force Awakens or is this thread also talking about potential spoilers/leaks for Episode VIII and IX?
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Speculation never needs spoilers but if there's something that could legitimately be a spoiler backed up by additional materials or whatever, might be best to tag it.
 
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