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[Anton Sugar]

Dear Internet:

KYLO REN TOOK A DIRECT HIT FROM A BOWCASTER PRIOR TO THE FIGHT.

love,

FloatOn

PS - he was also messed up mentally from just killing his dad

oh and let's not forget that Rey was on the defensive for the majority of the fight.

Why do people not get this?

I think most people take the conclusion of the fight and forget how most of it went down.

• Kylo was shot by Chewie's bowcaster, which is shown multiple times as capable of blowing people backwards by ten feet when shot
• Kylo got a little nicked by Finn
• Kylo is probably still a bit shook from his first encounter with Rey
• Despite all of the above, Kylo is *still* cocksure at handling Rey. He uses one hand multiple times, something Vader did when he was clowning Luke in ESB
• Rey was basically beaten (she is on the defensive, cutting down trees to create space, etc.) until Kylo tries to tempt her

 

[Paganmoon]

Too bad we're not gonna get a pic of Pandora getting blown up by the Death Star in terms of WWBO.

Isn't SW:TFA on the road to beating Avatar already? Boxofficemojo.com is giving me a headache trying to understand the stats.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

Man, I can't wait to go see it again tomorrow. It was such a fun time.

I'm looking forward to seeing how awesome they made the force look.

 

[DragonSworne]

It's tough to break people's head canon. People have made the force into some ultimate god mode thing that requires decades of training to get gut.

They can't handle seeing someone who trained so long get defeat no matter the scenario. To them, force trumps all no matter what. Except for years of training, lol.

 

[Jacksinthe]

I'd be up for more brutally choreographed lightsaber fights if they can


I mean, they already got the Raid people

Someone After Effects this.

 

[Ishida]

Snoke just reminds me of "snot".

It sounds like a name a dog would have. C'mon Snoke! Here, here doggy doggy! Who's a good snooky?

 

[richiek]

Even ignoring the prequels, Vader was a mass murderer and party to genocide.

"A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine before he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights"

Vader was always a mass murderer and war criminal.

 

[ReadingRambo]

Isn't SW:TFA on the road to beating Avatar already? Boxofficemojo.com is giving me a headache trying to understand the stats.

blah blah something about legs blah blah 3d blah

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

Isn't SW:TFA on the road to beating Avatar already? Boxofficemojo.com is giving me a headache trying to understand the stats.

Won't have the legs unfortunately. Avatar is like a black swan event.

 

[JB1981]

It *absolutely* heavily implies it.

First she hears the crying of a baby. (implied to be her)

Then when she touches LUKE's lightsaber, she has flashbacks.

It shows the aftermath of (presumably) Kylo Ren (or her, if you want to go the 2edgy route), where Luke touches R2-D2 while stuff's on fire. It shows the Knights of Ren (I think?), then it shows her being dropped off on the desert planet while protesting and crying.

So basically this is showing that some tragedy happened while Luke was training new Jedi, Kylo Ren was involved, and the ultimate end result is she was dropped off on a desert planet.

This is exactly how if played out. Second viewing makes it clearer.

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

Isn't SW:TFA on the road to beating Avatar already? Boxofficemojo.com is giving me a headache trying to understand the stats.

We won't know until next weekend if it has a shot or not. Avatar was a complete anomaly where its box-office take dropped by like a single % the following weekend, whereas most films drop off by close to half.

I personally don't think TFA will be an exception.

 

[Azerare]

So,



As I understood it...


...Rey defeated "Ben" who trained all his life, only a couple of hours after she dabbed into the force.

I took it as kylo Ren just couldn't keep fighting after taking a direct crossbow shot from chewie causing him to bleed out(which Han kept remarking on how powerful it was), and Finn landing more saber strikes on him to further weaken him.

This whole Rey got OP is dismissable. Kylo Ren was basically gassed out by the time he fought Rey and he still had her running for most of the fight.

 

[SuperStiltzkin]

I think most people take the conclusion of the fight and forget how most of it went down.

• Kylo was shot by Chewie's bowcaster, which is shown multiple times as capable of blowing people backwards by ten feet when shot
• Kylo got a little nicked by Finn
• Kylo is probably still a bit shook from his first encounter with Rey
• Despite all of the above, Kylo is *still* cocksure at handling Rey. He uses one hand multiple times, something Vader did when he was clowning Luke in ESB
• Rey was basically beaten (she is on the defensive, cutting down trees to create space, etc.) until Kylo tries to tempt her

And also it's not like you need years of special Jedi training to know how to swing, what is essentially, a sword. She's been living on her own on Jakku for years learning to fend for herself. Rey already knows how to fight.

 

[Kinsei]

We won't know until next weekend if it has a shot or not. Avatar was a complete anomaly where its box-office take dropped by like a single % the following weekend, whereas most films drop off by close to half.

I personally don't think TFA will be an exception.

Especially when you consider that next weekend is Christmas. There's no way the movie doesn't see a massive drop.

 

[Cat Party]

Unlikely since Han and Leia had no "parental" reaction at all to her. Most likely she is Luke's daughter. Her being a Kenobi is a very interesting theory too.

I saw the movie a second time, and it was interesting that both Maz and Kylo implied they had some knowledge about a mysterious girl. Maz asks Han "who's the girl?" and Kylo says "what girl?," and both times the scene changes immediately, implying both of them know something we aren't supposed to know about yet. Then Kylo says something like "it's the girl I've heard so much about," again implying there's more about her than just what's happened in the movie.

If I'm guessing, I think Rey has a direct connection to the first temple of the jedi. I don't think she is blood-related to anyone directly. Luke found her somewhere and took her in to his academy, but I think she is a direct descendant of the original force users, or something like that, and maybe she doesn't even have parents at all. She may also be related to Anakin, who of course didn't have a father.

Her being a biological child of Luke or a Kenobi relative would be so lazy and boring at this point. I really hope that's not it.

 

[PrivateWHudson]

Disagree. There's jar jar worse names out there in the Star Wars universe.

Snoke is terrible. Rey and Ren are pretty bad because they are just boring. Good thing these other names being thrown around like Dooku don't exist in my Star Wars Universe.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Dear Internet:

KYLO REN TOOK A DIRECT HIT FROM A BOWCASTER PRIOR TO THE FIGHT.

love,

FloatOn

PS - he was also messed up mentally from just killing his dad

oh and let's not forget that Rey was on the defensive for the majority of the fight.

Why do people not get this?

I hate to go there, but I'm starting to think people wouldn't even be asking that question if Rey was a guy.

 

[aliengmr]

So,



As I understood it...


...Rey went from a peaseant to a Master jedi in a couple of hours.




I felt the movie was made to a much much younger generation than mine (I'm 30ish)

All she did was accept the fact she could use the force. She manipulated a guard and focused just enough to eke out a win against an obviously weakened Ren, so what was spectacular again?

Luke used the force to manipulate 2 proton torpedoes moving at speed. While flying to Alderaan managed to block 3 shots from a training remote with his eyes closed on his second or third try.

What Rey did was no more amazing than what Luke did. The only difference is Rey doesn't seem conflicted about it she accepts it.

 

[JaseMath]

Dear Internet:

KYLO REN TOOK A DIRECT HIT FROM A BOWCASTER PRIOR TO THE FIGHT.

love,

FloatOn

PS - he was also messed up mentally from just killing his dad

oh and let's not forget that Rey was on the defensive for the majority of the fight.

Why do people not get this?

Seriously. Was it not enough that he kept HITTING THE WOUND DURING THE FIGHT?

 

[BFIB]

It *absolutely* heavily implies it.

First she hears the crying of a baby. (implied to be her)

Then when she touches LUKE's lightsaber, she has flashbacks.

It shows the aftermath of (presumably) Kylo Ren (or her, if you want to go the 2edgy route), where Luke touches R2-D2 while stuff's on fire. It shows the Knights of Ren (I think?), then it shows her being dropped off on the desert planet while protesting and crying.

So basically this is showing that some tragedy happened while Luke was training new Jedi, Kylo Ren was involved, and the ultimate end result is she was dropped off on a desert planet.

Bingo, they even state that Kylo defeated the Jedi in training.

 

[Schryver]

Line still cracks me up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SqTR0DorSw

OMG I have been watching the RedLetterMedia reviews but I forgot how hilarious some of these scenes actually are. Wow

 

[Brakke]

The whole force ghost thing has always seemed odd for Vader. Yes, he saved Luke, destroyed the Emperor and brought balance to the force, but that wasn't enough to gain redemption for all of the bad shit he did or let happen.

Real easy to tell in these threads who isn't Catholic.

Also who didn't read Harry Potter. You can always put your soul back together as long as you feel the remorse.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Man, I can't wait to go see it again tomorrow. It was such a fun time.

I'm looking forward to seeing how awesome they made the force look.

Gonna see it a third time with my dad this week! Can't wait. He is responsible for our entire family's SW fandom.

Yeah, I really like how JJ interpreted Force powers. Kylo's were shot like a horror movie or something.

 

[Modest Mauser]

So,



As I understood it...


...Rey defeated "Ben" who trained all his life, only a couple of hours after she dabbed into the force.

The way I saw it, was that Kylo Ren just isn't that big a deal. The whole point of his character was that he's just a whiny kid who wants to be a big powerful badass but isn't that strong. That's why he fell to the dark side, he was tempted by power. He basically says as much when talking to Vader's helmet.

He lost to Rey because he isn't as strong as he wants to be seen and Rey has a stronger connection to the force than he does, in addition to getting shot in the chest and slashed in the arm by Finn just beforehand.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

The only moment that felt like JJ was infusing a bit of Star Trek into Star Wars was with the Rathtar's on Han and Chewies ship. That whole sequence played out like something I would imagine Kirk and Spock dealing with.

What do you guys think?

 

[-griffy-]

Isn't SW:TFA on the road to beating Avatar already? Boxofficemojo.com is giving me a headache trying to understand the stats.

It's ahead, but almost every big blockbuster starts ahead of Avatar, then the curve slowly evens out. Avatar's curve just kept going and going though far past where other movies curves even out.

So yes, TFA is ahead of Avatar right now, but it's just too early for that to mean anything at this point.

 

[Blade30]

Seriously. Was it not enough that he kept HITTING THE WOUND DURING THE FIGHT?

You even saw him bleeding before they started fighting.

 

[spyshagg]

So,




As I understood it...



... "ben" the master apprentice of cookie, son of Leia, trained by Luke, able to stop a blaster shot mid-air, strong enough to soak a shot to the torso and punch the wound, was bested by the oblivious and untrained daughter of Luke.





I felt this movie was made for a generation much more forgiving than mine (I'm 30ish)

 

[Ishida]

The only moment that felt like JJ was infusing a bit of Star Trek into Star Wars was with the Rathtar's on Han and Chewies ship. That whole sequence played out like something I would imagine Kirk and Spock dealing with.

What do you guys think?

It felt weird at first. But since I have an open mind regarding Star Wars, I eventually thought it was fine.

 

[FloatOn]

I hate to go there, but I'm starting to think people wouldn't even be asking that question if Rey was a guy.

yep I agree

like I'm starting to get seriously annoyed by this "Rey is OP" nerd bullshit

 

[TheRyanx2]

So Andy Serkis is going to be himself in the next one? Doesn't seem likely.

Woah, that would actually be pretty awesome. Never gonna happen though.

 

[Anton Sugar]

The only moment that felt like JJ was infusing a bit of Star Trek into Star Wars was with the Rathtar's on Han and Chewies ship. That whole sequence played out like something I would imagine Kirk and Spock dealing with.

What do you guys think?

That, and there were a few other things I just thought were out of place, for a Star Wars movie.

Like the rotating helicopter shot at the end, or Han's blind shot to kill a trooper.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

I'd be up for more brutally choreographed lightsaber fights if they can


I mean, they already got the Raid people

GOAT action star. No way they come close to 1/5th of the quality of the fight choreography of those movies. Is he in episode VIII?

 

[Pro]

man my biggest complaint was the starkiller base

I figured that it would just you know, kill the star and with it the surrounding system

but I guess we had to have big impractical lasers and explosions

Sun Crusher

Yea Kylo is shown to be so powerful, grabbing people from across the room, flinging them, detecting and stopping blaster bolts in mid air, yet has a tough fight taking on Finn who got owned by a stormtrooper? I mean yea they kept making a fuss about him being injured but that blaster shot musta really nerfed Kylo hardcore.

You always have to suspend disbelief in fantasy films and simply take the simple answer. He was wounded and Rey is powerful even if she is a beginner. And that's as far as the explanation needs to go. Fin did get pwned even if he got a shot in.

 

[Divvy]

The only moment that felt like JJ was infusing a bit of Star Trek into Star Wars was with the Rathtar's on Han and Chewies ship. That whole sequence played out like something I would imagine Kirk and Spock dealing with.

What do you guys think?

I can sort of see that. I also thought the Millenium Falcon chase sequence was very similar to the shuttle chase sequence in Into Darkness, but better done.

 

[Vashetti]

Maybe Sith have some programming in them that they must protect their master?

Don't you mean kill their master?

Or the master kill the apprentice?

Sidious killed Plagueis

Sidious had Anakin kill Dooku

Sidious sought out Maul in Clone Wars and captured him

Anakin was beginning to have thoughts of killing Sidious when he's speaking to Padmé on Mustafar - "I have become more powerful than the Chancellor, I can overthrow him!"

 

[Fluffhead14]

I think most people take the conclusion of the fight and forget how most of it went down.

• Kylo was shot by Chewie's bowcaster, which is shown multiple times as capable of blowing people backwards by ten feet when shot
• Kylo got a little nicked by Finn
• Kylo is probably still a bit shook from his first encounter with Rey
• Despite all of the above, Kylo is *still* cocksure at handling Rey. He uses one hand multiple times, something Vader did when he was clowning Luke in ESB
• Rey was basically beaten (she is on the defensive, cutting down trees to create space, etc.) until Kylo tries to tempt her

All this, and the point of his character was that he was brash and overconfident. Who has he ever had to fight? People calling him a "whiny spoiled little bitch". YUP, that's his arc in this film. He thinks he's better than he is.

Now I fully expect him to come back in VIII after completing his training, with a badass scar, showing a true mastery of the dark side.

Kylo Ren was a perfect character and Driver sold the hell out of it.

 

[dark_chris]

That lightsaber duel at the end was intense. It didn't feel all that choreographed like he prequels were

 

[MMarston]

GOAT action star. No way they come close to 1/5th of the quality of the fight choreography of those movies. Is he in episode VIII?

I don't think so. Would be cool if they brought them back for consulting purposes tho

 

[Brakke]

It *absolutely* heavily implies it.

First she hears the crying of a baby. (implied to be her)

Then when she touches LUKE's lightsaber, she has flashbacks.

It shows the aftermath of (presumably) Kylo Ren (or her, if you want to go the 2edgy route), where Luke touches R2-D2 while stuff's on fire. It shows the Knights of Ren (I think?), then it shows her being dropped off on the desert planet while protesting and crying.

So basically this is showing that some tragedy happened while Luke was training new Jedi, Kylo Ren was involved, and the ultimate end result is she was dropped off on a desert planet.

How do you know the Knights scene is even in the past? The vision also shows a premonition of Ren in the snow.

It sucks how Maz doesn't even almost explain how she has that saber. Most of the visions don't require Luke except for the one where he touches R2. It could be the Saber's "memories" but why does someone have it to watch Luke touch R2?

 

[Spectral Glider]

Dear Internet:

KYLO REN TOOK A DIRECT HIT FROM A BOWCASTER PRIOR TO THE FIGHT.

love,

FloatOn

PS - he was also messed up mentally from just killing his dad

oh and let's not forget that Rey was on the defensive for the majority of the fight.

Why do people not get this?

It's not just that, it's that he's no master, not even close to a Sith. He's a wanna be. That's why he wears a mask that alters his voice when he doesn't need one. It's also why his light saber is all jaggy and fucked up looking. And Rey calls him out on it during their "mind battle." Apparently some people need prequel Lucas to beat them over the head with these ideas and spell them out.

 

[ProudCanuck]

Ok....I got it. I had a revelation.



Finn is force sensitive but very light. you can tell when Ren knows who let Poe escape when he stops and looks at him. You can sense the force is awakened in Finn the moment he stops and thinks this is wrong.


Rey is a miracle child like Anakin. She is sent to Luke but he doesnt want her to become another Anakin and he sends her to Jakku under the care of Lor San Tekka. She is mindwiped into thinking her parents will come but they never are as Luke was the one going on that ship.

As Ren is being training into become a Master himself, the force has a way of balancing the galaxies it holds together. it awakens the force inside finn the moment he lands so it leads to him finding Rey and that leads to her finding the ways of the force. Yoda and Obi Wan both whisper to her to come nearer to the force, the force has chosen her as the one to counter Kylo Ren.

 

[shortsFortallPeople]

So are they going to explain how Rey just went from normal lady to doing jedi mind tricks and force grabbing lightsabers in like no time?

I suppose maybe Luke trained her when she was but a wee child but then was her mind wiped of those memories?

 

[Azerare]

I like the theory that Rey could be similar to anakin. The second force Jesus of sorts like how anakin was.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

Real easy to tell in these threads who isn't Catholic.

Also who didn't read Harry Potter. You can always put your soul back together as long as you feel the remorse.

I've read Harry Potter but admittedly I'm not a Catholic. Nobody's perfect.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

I don't think so. Would be cool if they brought them back for consulting purposes tho

Really? I heard rumors he was getting picked for Star Wars, or is the stand alone SW movies? I want a stand alone rated R movie where a force user fucks with both the light and dark side. No fucks given.

 

[Fritz]

So,




As I understood it...



... "ben" the master apprentice of cookie, son of Leia, trained by Luke, able to stop a blaster shot mid-air, strong enough to soak a shot to the torso and punch the wound, was bested by the oblivious and untrained daughter of Luke.





I felt this movie was made for a generation much more forgiving than mine (I'm 30ish)

Dude, crossbow shot. It was explained perfectly well from a storytelling perspective.

I'm 30ish too.

 

[Jaleel]

So,




As I understood it...



... "ben" the master apprentice of cookie, son of Leia, trained by Luke, able to stop a blaster shot mid-air, strong enough to soak a shot to the torso and punch the wound, was bested by the oblivious and untrained daughter of Luke.





I felt this movie was made for a generation much more forgiving than mine (I'm 30ish)

KYLO TOOK A BOWCASTER SHOT TO THE STOMACH.

 

[SneakersSO]

The only moment that felt like JJ was infusing a bit of Star Trek into Star Wars was with the Rathtar's on Han and Chewies ship. That whole sequence played out like something I would imagine Kirk and Spock dealing with.

What do you guys think?

As that scene started, I actually thought to myself, while watching TFA mind you, "This seems like something out of a Star Trek movie", but it got pushed out once we got past the initial setup of the scene & the action played out. For some reason, Trek, in my mind anyway, seems to have more 'misunderstanding adventure' moments indoors on board ships than Star Wars has had in the past.

it also doesn't help that the scene played out a lot like some of the on-ship mad-dash moments that took place in Trek '09 (Kirk racing to rescue Scottie out of the coolant pipe after beam-up).

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

I think most people take the conclusion of the fight and forget how most of it went down.

• Kylo was shot by Chewie's bowcaster, which is shown multiple times as capable of blowing people backwards by ten feet when shot
• Kylo got a little nicked by Finn
• Kylo is probably still a bit shook from his first encounter with Rey
• Despite all of the above, Kylo is *still* cocksure at handling Rey. He uses one hand multiple times, something Vader did when he was clowning Luke in ESB
• Rey was basically beaten (she is on the defensive, cutting down trees to create space, etc.) until Kylo tries to tempt her

Nope. It just makes sense for some people and not for others.