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[Razgriz-Specter]

It's over the top garbage fighting for the sake of fighting. Every other lightsaber duel before then wasn't about the fighting, it was the internalization of the characters.

Darth Maul had a double bladed lightsaber, that was his character. There was no motivation or conflict between him and the two jedi other than he was a bad guy that wanted to get them.

Obi-Wan vs Anakin was perfectly fine if you cut the flashy stuff that was added to one up not only Star Wars fights but POTC and sword fights in cinema history(wire swing, lava surfing, pillar falling)
It actually told a character story fine

2 highly skilled Jedi.
Obi-Wan goes for one maybe two offensive attacks that entire fight.
Meanwhile Anakin is just raging out and trying to brute force it.

I really wish Lucas hadn't added that extra crap and spliced the Yoda fight into it because honestly its a darn good 1on1 saber fight.

 

[Already Torn]

The best thing about this movie is that they basically completely ignore the prequels (outside of saying 'clone army' and maaybe showing Coruscant get fucking blown up) and we're discussing midichlorians. I don't think that really matters now. Snoke is apparently a master of the Dark Side and he wasn't mentioned at all in the prequels as a Sith Lord or whatever so I'm pretty sure the Sith aren't a thing anymore, which is great.

Did anyone else see Han hard-wiring a door open while his love interest gets shot in the arm as a callback to Return of the Jedi? Except it took him thirty seconds here instead of two hours?

 

[Ishida]

Obi-Wan vs Anakin was perfectly fine if you cut the flashy stuff that was added to one up not only Star Wars fights but POTC and sword fights in cinema history(wire swing, droid surf, pillar falling)
It actually told a character story fine

2 highly skilled Jedi.
Obi-Wan goes for one maybe two offensive attacks that entire fight.
Meanwhile Anakin is just raging out and trying to brute force it.

I really wish Lucas hadn't added that extra crap and spliced the Yoda fight into it because honestly its a darn good 1on1 saber fight.

All you are going to get as replies are "look at that fight. There is no emotion, no intensity, just ballet".


EDIT: Or the usual twirling gif.

 

[Salsa]

Even "fucking magic" is about metaphysical things interacting with elements in the physical world. Why not through people's biological sensitivity to it?

read the rest of my post tho?

im clearly stating my issue (and I think most people's) with it. you're responding to one phrase with a question that gets answered in the same post you're quoting.

 

[GungHo]

Saw this on Reddit. <3 Han Solo

"I got a surprise for you, Mrs. Solo. I made somewhere you can cook for me and Chewie on our adventures."
"..."
"Why the face?"

 

[Ophelion]

I woke up today thinking about nitpicks that this movie doesn't explain well and I want to ask, Just how is the Empire/First Order structured - what's its hierarchy? In the OT what exactly is Vader's position/job? He's the last Sith, not even technically one, so what does the Empire need from him? Everybody's dismissed the Force as an ancient religion - a modern day analogy would be if Iranian President Rouhani was a Zoroastrian. I think Grand Moff Tarkin was like the highest level of the military and Vader must be some sort of semireligious statesman/commander in chief - again with the Iran analogy. And Palpatine - does anyone besides Vader even know he's still alive? What the hell was he doing between III and IV? Did he really control the entire Empire secretly for his self-gain? Jumping to VII it must be a very similar situation - Hux is like Tarkin, Ren is like Vader, and Snoke is like Palpatine. In a nutshell, what's the relationship between the Empire (First Order) and the Sith (Knights of Ren)?

Palpatine was the Emperor, a supreme dictator. Nothing secretive about it. Grand Moff Tarkin was (presumably) the head of the military, followed by a parade of Admirals Vader clearly didn't get on quite as well with. Darth Vader doesn't hold a formal title as far as I know, despite people referring to him as Lord Vader. He's the Emperor's enforcer, his right hand. He speaks with the Emperor's full authority and (clearly) has a license to maim, torture or kill anyone he deems a threat to the Empire. Vader was like the Emperor's own personal James Bond and Mentat all rolled up into one: strategy, assassination, "motivation", any dirty task Palpatine had at hand, Vader could get it done.

The only relationship between Imperial factions and dark jedi orders is that, for one reason or another, dark jedi make really convincing big bosses. Probably the ability to shoot lighting from their goddamn hands. I know if my boss could shoot lightning from his hands, I'd probably respect him a hell of a lot more...

Edit: If you are asking about order of succession, I'm not sure it was properly considered. If Palpatine were to die, I'm sure Vader would have ascended to becoming the new Emperor, but if they died at once (like they...y'know, did) I don't know if Palpatine foresaw such a contingency. Probably another good reason why the Empire lost. Rebels cut off the head of the snake and suddenly nobody was really quite sure who was in charge anymore. Is it the highest ranking admiral? In ANH, the Emperor dissolves the Senate entirely, so the next highest rank would be regional Govenor. I imagine it would've collapsed into tiny warring fiefdoms ala the Foundation series with the Alliance squishing those petty dictators one at a time until the Republic was restored.

 

[LegendofLex]

read the rest of my post tho?

The rest of your post is not an argument; I can't refute your personal preferences.

 

[Gonzalez]

Saw this on Reddit. <3 Han Solo

That looks nothing like the Micro Machines set!

 

[Salsa]

The rest of your post is not an argument; I can't refute your personal preferences.

well no one can. Im trying to explain what's fucked about the midichlorians thing and I think it's what most people have issues with

you know what would make midichlorians cooler? them being kind of a fucking guess. I actually remember thinking someone was gonna refute that in the prequels like being a load of horseshit and all, and it'd be up to anyone to believe what they want

different views on the thing, not unlike religion

 

[Liquidsnake]

Yet he was constantly beating up his own wound just to stay awake.

Which was freaking awesome!!!

 

[GustyGardens]

I woke up today thinking about nitpicks that this movie doesn't explain well and I want to ask, Just how is the Empire/First Order structured - what's its hierarchy? In the OT what exactly is Vader's position/job? He's the last Sith, not even technically one, so what does the Empire need from him? Everybody's dismissed the Force as an ancient religion - a modern day analogy would be if Iranian President Rouhani was a Zoroastrian. I think Grand Moff Tarkin was like the highest level of the military and Vader must be some sort of semireligious statesman/commander in chief - again with the Iran analogy. And Palpatine - does anyone besides Vader even know he's still alive? What the hell was he doing between III and IV? Did he really control the entire Empire secretly for his self-gain? Jumping to VII it must be a very similar situation - Hux is like Tarkin, Ren is like Vader, and Snoke is like Palpatine. In a nutshell, what's the relationship between the Empire (First Order) and the Sith (Knights of Ren)?

It's never really spelled out, and it's all a bit confusing, but the way I always saw it was that the Emperor was at the top of the pyramid. Below him would be Darth Vader, his right-hand and likely successor after his passing. That seems plain enough, but then their Grand Moff Tarkin, whom I believe was almost equal in power with Vader, but took control over the military aspect of The Empire. He was commander of the Death Star, of course.

In The Force Awakens, I think things are a bit foggier. Supreme Leader is at the top, and that's obvious. Kylo Ren is still in training, but would likely take the place of the Supreme Leader if he were to pass. Hux seemed to control the military, while Phasma controlled infantry. Where things get foggy is when we realize that Hux has a bit more control than Kylo Ren. .

It's strange.

 

[Jarmel]

Ok, here's the bit from the novelization:

Wow, Renn blocking blows with the Force would have been amazing.

 

[LegendofLex]

well no one can. Im trying to explain what's fucked about the midichlorians thing and I think it's what most people have issues with

Yeah, and what I'm inevitably getting back to is they apparently have no problem with Force powers being hereditary even though they seem to have a problem with Force powers being influenced by the presence of certain kinds of cells which is a physical manifestation of heredity.

It's pure cognitive dissonance.

 

[Ether_Snake]

All you are going to get as replies are "look at that fight. There is no emotion, no intensity, just ballet".


EDIT: Or the usual twirling gif.

A cake with poop on it is still a shitty cake.

 

[Divvy]

That looks nothing like the Micro Machines set!

A Y-wing would have been helpful for that bombing run

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

It's weird, because in ANH I think the Emperor was supposed to be a normal guy. Like the Roman Emperor or something. I think that either the novelization or an earlier script even mentions that there were previous emperors. The idea that he was the ultimate embodiment of evil came later.

 

[GungHo]

Palpatine was the Emperor, a supreme dictator. Nothing secretive about it. Grand Moff Tarkin was (presumably) the head of the military, followed by a parade of Admirals Vader clearly didn't get on quite as well with. Darth Vader doesn't hold a formal title as far as I know, despite people referring to him as Lord Vader. He's the Emperor's enforcer, his right hand. He speaks with the Emperor's full authority and (clearly) has a license to maim, torture or kill anyone he deems a threat to the Empire. Vader was like the Emperor's own personal James Bond and Mentat all rolled up into one: strategy, assassination, "motivation", any dirty task Palpatine had at hand, Vader could get it done.

The only relationship between Imperial factions and dark jedi orders is that, for one reason or another, dark jedi make really convincing big bosses. Probably the ability to shoot lighting from their goddamn hands. I know if my boss could shoot lightning from his hands, I'd probably respect him a hell of a lot more...

Hux's relationship with Snoke and Kylo Ren is clearly different than the Vader/Tarkin/Emperor triumvirate. Hell, Snoke tells Hux to collect Kylo Ren and bring him back to him like when I ask my wife to pick up the dog at from the groomer. General Hux, Space Valet.

 

[dustyherb]

True, isn't Windu the best Jedi in terms of his swordsmanship, or did I just imagine reading this online?

Ya that's what I thought as well. He was the best with the lightsaber, plus he seemed to pretty much be yoda's right hand man. Meaning he was pretty damn powerful most likely. I never once thought Sideous was faking and threw the fight till I saw someone from here say it. I honestly think Mace actually beat him but I guess it doesn't make much a difference either way.

 

[Theodoricos]

Midichlorians was such a mistake. I hope those won't get mentioned in any of the future installments.

Midichlorians is basically like trying to explain magic in the Harry Potter series and saying that Harry Potter was so gifted because he has a lot of "magic cells" in his body for some random reason.

The Force is meant to be an equivalent of the power of spirit. That is what runs in the Skywalker family to make them such powerful Force sensitives.

 

[Glass Shark]

Does the First Order have an entire fleet? The only thing we saw in the film other than small craft was the Finalizer.

 

[Ether_Snake]

"I got a surprise for you, Mrs. Solo. I made somewhere you can cook for me and Chewie on our adventures."
"..."
"Why the face?"

I'm 100% sure this was done precisely for that purpose, and that it went exactly how you described it. Leia and Han, as much as they like each other, would never manage to stay together as a couple. Han adding a kitchen as a wedding gift to Leia is hilariously spot-on with his character.

 

[Ishida]

Midichlorians was such a mistake. I hope those won't get mentioned in any of the future installments.

Midichlorians is basically like trying to explain magic in the Harry Potter series and saying that Harry Potter was so gifted because he has a lot of "magic cells" in his body for some random reason.

The Force is meant to be an equivalent of the power of spirit. That is what runs in the Skywalker family to make them such powerful Force sensitives.

You don't get to decide what the Force actually is. You are just a fan. The author/current owner of the licence is who decides what exactly the Force is.

 

[Already Torn]

Hux's relationship with Snoke and Kylo Ren is clearly different than the Vader/Tarkin/Emperor triumvirate. Hell, Snoke tells Hux to collect Kylo Ren and bring him back to him like when I ask my wife to pick up the dog at from the groomer. General Hux, Space Valet.

I think their relationship would have been similar if Kylo Ren didn't suck so much. Like in Star Wars I feel like Darth Vader would have had to listen if Tarkin gave him orders.

Midichlorians was such a mistake. I hope those won't get mentioned in any of the future installments.

Midichlorians is basically like trying to explain magic in the Harry Potter series and saying that Harry Potter was so gifted because he has a lot of "magic cells" in his body for some random reason.

The Force is meant to be an equivalent of the power of spirit. That is what runs in the Skywalker family to make them such powerful Force sensitives.

Considering nobody even said the word "Sith" (opting instead for 'Dark Side'" I think we can be sure that midichlorians will never ever be mentioned again.

They didn't even show any prequel characters on Coruscant (?), at this point the only thing keeping the prequel films in any sort of canon is Hayden Christianson showing up at the end of Jedi. There weren't even any prequel quotes in the lightsabre flashback. I guess you could say the "clone army" thing kinda ruins that, but we knew there were clone wars before so...

 

[Brakke]

He's not wrong. You are. Midichlorians are NOT the Force. Which is what he is saying.

Midichlorians allow to tap into the Force. But they are not the Force themselves.

The claim I cared about is "The force is just as unmessurable as ever". It's not. Capacity in the Force is clearly measurable. Measuring it is a plot point of the prequels.

 

[Salsa]

Yeah, and what I'm inevitably getting back to is they apparently have no problem with Force powers being hereditary even though they seem to have a problem with Force powers being influenced by the presence of certain kinds of cells which is a physical manifestation of heredity.

It's pure cognitive dissonance.

no it aint, cause we're talking about something we don't know the properties of

we are talking about the force, in star wars, we dont know how it works and we used to kinda like that. you're applying properties of hereditary phenomena we know and study to something that is completely made up. these people arent even from earth.

like yeah, I get what you're saying, but we don't need it. No one wants an explanation for it for the most part, so just let it be

like I said, I don't care if midichlorians make sense and are real and all, I just don't want that scene we got in the prequels cause I think it's dumb and completely not needed

 

[Perfect Cha0s]

All you are going to get as replies are "look at that fight. There is no emotion, no intensity, just ballet".

EDIT: Or the usual twirling gif.

This stuff:

the flashy stuff that was added to one up not only Star Wars fights but POTC and sword fights in cinema history(wire swing, droid surf, pillar falling)

is why.

It never takes a minute to breath, goes on soooo long, and keeps throwing over-the-top set pieces at us.

 

[Ishida]

The claim I cared about is "The force is just as unmessurable as ever". It's not. Capacity in the Force is clearly measurable. Measuring it is a plot point of the prequels.

What? I don't know what you are debating.

"The force is just as unmessurable as ever"

The Force CANNOT be measured. A person's potential to tap into the Force can be.

This stuff: is why.

It never takes a minute to breath, goes on soooo long, and keeps throwing over-the-top set pieces at us.

And it looks freakin' awesome.

 

[Kuros]

I think their relationship would have been similar if Kylo Ren didn't suck so much. Like in Star Wars I feel like Darth Vader would have had to listen if Tarkin gave him orders.

Vadar outranked Tarkin. However Tarkin had complete authority over anyone when on the Death Star. (Probably excluding Sheev)

 

[Toparaman]

I woke up today thinking about nitpicks that this movie doesn't explain well and I want to ask, Just how is the Empire/First Order structured - what's its hierarchy? In the OT what exactly is Vader's position/job? He's the last Sith, not even technically one, so what does the Empire need from him? Everybody's dismissed the Force as an ancient religion - a modern day analogy would be if Iranian President Rouhani was a Zoroastrian. I think Grand Moff Tarkin was like the highest level of the military and Vader must be some sort of semireligious statesman/commander in chief - again with the Iran analogy. And Palpatine - does anyone besides Vader even know he's still alive? What the hell was he doing between III and IV? Did he really control the entire Empire secretly for his self-gain? Jumping to VII it must be a very similar situation - Hux is like Tarkin, Ren is like Vader, and Snoke is like Palpatine. In a nutshell, what's the relationship between the Empire (First Order) and the Sith (Knights of Ren)?

The Empire is structured as a flat hierarchy, with managers/bosses working right beside other employees. This creates a warmer, more open environment than the usual cubicle office structure.

Vader's job title in the OT is "janitor", I mean, "custodian". The Empire needs him to clean the toilets and what not. It's not a glamorous job, but someone's got to do it, and Vader brings a cheerful attitude no matter what the task.

Everyone knows Palpatine is alive in their hearts. In between episodes III and IV, he was managing an adult video production company (with Vader acting as assistant manager).

Palpatine has never done anything for self gain. Have you even watched Episode IV?

The Empire thinks the Sith is a very naughty boy.

Hope that answers all your questions.

 

[Already Torn]

Vadar outranked Tarkin. However Tarkin had complete authority over anyone when on the Death Star. (Probably excluding Sheev)

Is that true? I always assumed Vader was supposed to be some super strong but dumb henchman, since people openly mocked him to his face in the control room.

 

[Salsa]

midichlorians are the vein of lucas doing the lucas and adding shit on top of shit for no reason

qui gon just sensing anakin being super duper awesome and getting dizzy from being next to him or something would have accomplished exactly the same thing a 'midichlorians count' did, while keeping with the obi-wan style talk of the force in the OT

 

[Perfect Cha0s]

And it looks freakin' awesome.

That's my point. It throws away character drama to "look freakin' awesome."

 

[Ishida]

That's my point. It throws away character drama to "look freakin' awesome."

No. It has both.

 

[Brakke]

A person's potential to tap into the Force can be.

Right. And that's why the midiclorians suck.

 

[Kuros]

Is that true? I always assumed Vader was supposed to be some super strong but dumb henchman, since people openly mocked him to his face in the control room.

I think it's an EU explanation for why he was just a basic muscle henchman in ANH.

 

[Ishida]

Right. And that's why the midiclorians suck.

Why? They change nothing. People who are strong in the Force are still strong in the Force.

 

[Perfect Cha0s]

No. It has both.

I disagree entirely for the reasons I stated.

 

[Ishida]

I disagree entirely for the reasons I stated.

Well I disagree with that.

 

[Speculator]

I think their relationship would have been similar if Kylo Ren didn't suck so much. Like in Star Wars I feel like Darth Vader would have had to listen if Tarkin gave him orders.


Considering nobody even said the word "Sith" (opting instead for 'Dark Side'" I think we can be sure that midichlorians will never ever be mentioned again.

They didn't even show any prequel characters on Coruscant (?), at this point the only thing keeping the prequel films in any sort of canon is Hayden Christianson showing up at the end of Jedi. There weren't even any prequel quotes in the lightsabre flashback. I guess you could say the "clone army" thing kinda ruins that, but we knew there were clone wars before so...

Maz actually mentions Sith when talking with the group.

 

[Already Torn]

At this point I'm just afraid that the sequels are gonna fuck it up. I hope the change of director means that we'll be able to slow things down quite a bit. This film pretty much brought everything up to speed and got rid of the loose ends and made you like Star Wars again after the prequels. Now you have room to tell the rest of the story over two films! Really all you need to do now is finish the character arcs of Rey and Rylo Ken while having more cool fights in the background. There doesn't even really need to be another Death Star.

Maz actually mentions Sith when talking with the group.

I went to the bathroom at that point. Nooooo

Still pretty good!

In Empire, Yoda is apparently strong in the Force because he's chill af and wise af and better than Luke at meditation af. That's all stuff he earned. In order for the story to be a character drama, we want Force clashes to be clashes of willpower / active decisions, not clashes of in-born Destiny.

Maybe meditation is like a pro-biotic for midichlorians. Like they are inhibited by adrenaline or some shit. But I mean midichlorians were barely ever mentioned in the rest of the prequel films so there's no way they're touching that here.

 

[Brakke]

Why? They change nothing. People who are strong in the Force are still strong in the Force.

In Empire, Yoda is apparently strong in the Force because he's chill af and wise af and better than Luke at meditation af. That's all stuff he earned. In order for the story to be a character drama, we want Force clashes to be clashes of willpower / active decisions, not clashes of in-born Destiny.

 

[PeskyToaster]

The Art of the Force Awakens book is pretty fascinating. I think I'm getting the Visual Dictionary and Incredible Cross Section for Christmas.

 

[Salsa]

Kylo Ren is fucking brilliant, probably the best villain the series has had if you remove how iconic Vader became, and I absolutely love the idea of flipping it around and doing a character that fights with the light side inside of him and is utterly convinced the dark side is where he should remain while fighting that urge other than the other way around, while at the same time being a fucking brat throwing temper tantrums and nobody really liking him or respecting him other than being afraid of him possibly killing you out of anger. I love that he killed Solo cause they fucking cemented the audience hate and if they actually go with his redeeming it's gonna be fucking impossible after that so I cannot wait.

He might be straight up the most interesting character in fuckin star wars depending on how they do his arc going forward but the potential is ludacris

so what im saying is if you dont like him you a doo-doo head

 

[Ishida]

In Empire, Yoda is apparently strong in the Force because he's chill af and wise af and better than Luke at meditation af. That's all stuff he earned. In order for the story to be a character drama, we want Force clashes to be clashes of willpower / active decisions, not clashes of in-born Destiny.

Yoda had a high Midichlorian count, but such a thing only determines potential. Meditation and being "chill af" is what actually allows you to reach that potential.

And about the bolded, that's exactly what the story is about. Even in your so-hated prequels. That's why Obi Wan was able to defeat Anakin despite the later being the "chosen one" and having a higher count of Midichlorians than even Yoda.

 

[LegendofLex]

no it aint, cause we're talking about something we don't know the properties of

we are talking about the force, in star wars, we dont know how it works and we used to kinda like that. you're applying properties of hereditary phenomena we know and study to something that is completely made up. these people arent even from earth.

like yeah, I get what you're saying, but we don't need it. No one wants an explanation for it for the most part, so just let it be

like I said, I don't care if midichlorians make sense and are real and all, I just don't want that scene we got in the prequels cause I think it's dumb and completely not needed

Yes, just like how people who make stuff up for their fantasy/sci-fi universes usually do it based on extrapolations from real-world phenomena/beliefs.

I don't see how a mystical Force that is the source of all life in the universe actually connecting with that life through biological phenomena in any way undermines its spiritual nature. I mean, anyone who believes in God in the era of modern science ultimately has to grapple with the idea that our thoughts are actually electrical impulses, even if they believe that those electrical impulses allow our technically nonphysical souls to experience the physical world.

It's not even like the presence or knowledge of midi-chlorians keeps anyone from discovering gifted Force users through personal interactions and experiences; Qui-Gon first recognizes Anakin's potential by meeting him, not by scanning his blood. Midi-chlorians are just a very specific nod to the claim that the Force runs strong in the Skywalker line; it suggested that there was something that made them special, and now we know what that is.

You're of course right that it didn't need to be explained. The prequels were saddled with Lucas believing he needed to explain everything and it's a big part of why they're poor films and particularly poor prequels. But the explanation given doesn't actually undercut what we already knew and thought - only in your mind.

 

[Carbonox]

The Art of the Force Awakens book is pretty fascinating. I think I'm getting the Visual Dictionary and Incredible Cross Section for Christmas.

I really want to splurge on all the related books. The novel isn't out until next month here but the others are out now.

 

[The Elite]

I don't like the prequels all that much but had no problems with midichlorians.

It's a way to measure someone's potential force ability. We still don't know exactly what the force is but we do know that the ability to be a strong force user is passed down via bloodline. That was established in the original trilogy when not only Luke but Leia had the ability to use it.

It's not hard to fathom that the Jedi would be curious as to what exactly the Force is on a scientific level.

The Art of the Force Awakens book is pretty fascinating. I think I'm getting the Visual Dictionary and Incredible Cross Section for Christmas.

Getting my art book for Christmas. Can't wait.

 

[Ophelion]

Hux's relationship with Snoke and Kylo Ren is clearly different than the Vader/Tarkin/Emperor triumvirate. Hell, Snoke tells Hux to collect Kylo Ren and bring him back to him like when I ask my wife to pick up the dog at from the groomer. General Hux, Space Valet.

Well, Tarkin and Vader were chummy and had clear mutual respect, but push comes to shove one of them is the direct disciple of the Emperor himself and the other isn't.

The big difference here is basically just that Kylo and Hux don't really like each other and Hux seems much more uncomfortable with the relationship between Kylo and Snoke. Keep thinking it's just because everyone is so much younger this time around. Everybody's just so eager to prove they're the best at being evil.

Plus, if I were the head of a quasi-Imperial navy, I know I'd have problems taking orders from Supreme Leader's bratty "favorite boy". Put in that position I'd be like, "Screw you, you pampered wizard wannabe. Grow some balls and get some god damned disciple."

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

In Empire, Yoda is apparently strong in the Force because he's chill af and wise af and better than Luke at meditation af. That's all stuff he earned. In order for the story to be a character drama, we want Force clashes to be clashes of willpower / active decisions, not clashes of in-born Destiny.

The entire point of the PT was to deconstruct the themes of the OT and show how power and hubris corrupted the Jedi and led to the fall of the republic. It reveals that Yoda and Obi-Wan aren't as wise as they led Luke to believe. They were merely two shattered old men who had allowed a tyrant to destroy the galaxy. All that shit they said about "trusting your feelings" was horseshit because they did that and couldn't see the dude working to bring them down right in front of their faces.

Midichlorians were just another part of this. They showed that the previously mystical force actually had scientific reasoning behind it, further proving that the Jedi were full of shit.

 

[ReAxion]

There doesn't even really need to be another Death Star.

Being that it's space and planets are the biggest places people can live, having a weapon that puts a planet's safety in jeopardy is always going to be something the bad guys want. There won't be literal Death Stars, but there'll be things like it, only more powerful.