Jack Remington
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Fuck it, I'll defend this, since, you know, there's nothing actually wrong with it.
This is spot on.
Hillary Clinton's Team Thinks She's Just Like Your Abuela, Twitter Disagrees
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Fuck it, I'll defend this, since, you know, there's nothing actually wrong with it.
This is spot on.
Jeevesmeister
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Considering how negatively the policies Hillary has stood behind have negatively affected Hispanic Americans, this takes some real delusion to try and pull off with a straight face. If Hillary's this inept at putting together a team to understand and connect with the needs of the American people, what in the hell makes anyone think she's fit to lead the nation? Christ.
Jack Remington
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If Obama had done something like this in 2008 (sub in tio for abuela), no one would have reacted the way many in this thread have.
It feels like there's a double standard at play here.
The ad was fine tbh.
It feels like there's a double standard at play here.
The ad was fine tbh.
Yellowtail
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thehypocrite
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One is a likeable & charismatic person. The other is Old Clinton. Yep, no differences between the actors at all, has to be double standards for sure.
The Lamonster
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ITT: Lots of people who didn't actually look at the lighthearted article that was obviously written by staffers.
Yup. She pretty much has the election locked up since two years ago, but the surge of Sanders, all these other missteps are entirely her own doing. Just don't like the false rhetoric and pandering, she doesn't need it.
People wouldn't have reacted the same way because it wouldn't have been one in a long list of laughable or embarrassing pandering attempts to come off as some sort of likeable and relatable person. Are you implying something-something-sexism? Because it's not.
what matters here is execution
Hillary Clinton saying "May the Force be with you" is seen as obviously pandering because only idiot nerds say that. Hillary Clinton isn't a nerd. She's copying the dialect of a group she's not a part of to pander and it's fucking obvious every single time.
Obama saying "I got to go see Star Wars" comes off better because, hey, who isn't going to go see Star Wars?
Jack Remington
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I'd like to ask you to read this article and examine whether there might be reasons people feel this way that are entirely unfair to Clinton.
http://sadydoyle.tumblr.com/post/135664586198/likable
Yellowtail
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This is barely a misstep. It'll have as much real-world effect as the #Berniesoblack hashtag or indeed all of Bernie's early fuck-ups with Black Lives Matter, which had zero effect on his polling or favorable numbers among African American voters.
She's going to beat Sanders by 30%+ among Hispanics (like she did against Obama in 2008), and then any Republican by 40%+ in a general. No one gives a fuck about a campaign's sometimes embarassing use of social media.
Veritigo_X
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I like how people are acting like this is some huge deal. Shows how boring things are on the dem side.
perfectchaos007
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When Clinton has been criticized, I have noticed not many people have used the gender card unnecessarily, which is a good thing. If Hillary was a known star wars nerd then no one would question her quote. But she's just not believable, and its such an obvious pandering attempt all I can do is cringe. Obama simply throwing out "I have to see star wars" was believable, and its not because he is a man. gender has nothing to do with it.
If Hillary's campaign starts to go downhill, which I don't think it will, the gender card may be played more.
PeakPointMatrix
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Wait.
People don't actually think this is going to affect her right? Lol
People don't actually think this is going to affect her right? Lol
Most cringeworthy thing in this thread tbh.
SolidSnakex
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AcademicSaucer
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Google translate FTW !!
I don't feel like most people are? Like, it's just awkward as fuck, and most people were reacting accordingly.
Veritigo_X
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I guess I should've said some people. My comment was about those that are clearly overreacting.
thehypocrite
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I understand that her life and the public pressure she receives on a daily basis is beyond my comprehension, however you need to understand that charismatic people are likeable and charismatic not because they suppressed what they are in order to pander or comply with the expectations of others or respond to misogynistic criticisms, they are just more of themselves, more of what they really are and people see these individual so free and loose that they relate and aspire to be like them.
The link you posted does a lot to justify her current self but fails to acknowledge that her responding to that crap instead of staying bold, genuine and authentic in light of those negative actions taken against her would have given her more charisma than the person she currently plays to be in the public sphere.
Jeevesmeister
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https://twitter.com/roqchams/status/679452875555225601
https://twitter.com/Bro_Pair/status/679381089799000066
This post is horseshit. Sady's gone full white liberal supremacist, even defending Hillary's vote for the Iraq War under the guise of "national hysteria" and pretending she was under the threat of risking "political suicide," as if the current President who beat her and her current competition for the nomination didn't both oppose the war during such "hysteria," which mind you, is a rather loaded word in a feminist context. Hillary Clinton is an infinitely rich and powerful white woman with the blood of innocents on her hands. She needs no defending from bougie white liberal Brooklyn gentrifiers. If she really does, then she sure as hell isn't fit to lead.
Dude Abides
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The Sandinistas need something to cling to since their guy has hit his ceiling and is floundering.
After listening to Hillary supporters, I've come to realize that the Iraq War was all a conspiracy to tarnish her record.
Bam Bam Baklava
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A lot of people, probably Obama himself, would tell you they did a lot of things wrong in the first year. Barely getting healthcare passed was a god damn miracle itself.
I think you're just clueless about how Washington and politics works. That 2007 bill failed as much because of Republicans as your unusual blame of Democrats. George Bush completely lost his base when he embraced that reform bill and the GOP leadership got burned. Hell, if you actually bothered to READ your own wikipedia link you'd see the conservatives were pissed off about it.
How are the candidates who have even a remotely moderate view on immigration polling in the Republican party right now?
Henchmen21
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LMAO Yeah he's hit the ceiling...even though his numbers keep rising. He's within the MoE in Iowa and rising and beating her twice the margin in NH. Once he wins those two, NV & SC will join him.
No he's not. One poll that has had him 10 points higher than every other poll for months has him within the moe. He's not within the moe in any other poll.
He's down nationally and down in Iowa from where he was a month ago.
Why does NeoGAF love Hillary Clinton so much? Is it just me or is it weird that so many people can't see how much of a slimeball fake she is?
Some people are actually saying "Everyone would have been fine with it if Obama did this"... They're missing the point, Obama wouldn't have done this. Whether you like Obama or not, he is a solid politician through and through. He had almost complete control over his image during both his campaign and presidency and had almost never humiliated himself, even when faced with the most opposition a president has faced since FDR. Clinton has the world in the palm of her hand, yet she can't pull anything off to appear likeable. It's actually sad. Just this thread is enough proof that her image isn't the same as "Yes We Can" Obama... And most of these examples are from just this last campaign.
Furthermore, disregarding that fact that almost every facet of the race is designed for her to win, people understand that her winning is a massive loss to true progress, right? She's going to maintain and perpetuate a lot of the most predatory elements of our society, under the guise of "incremental change" when it's really to benefit her donors. She's a disgrace. I mean, the DNC bias is already something that we should be thinking about more seriously than just "well, that's politics." The former co-chair of her campaign is running the show. With only 8 years difference between campaigns. That particular situation is almost Bush-level corruption...
Some people are actually saying "Everyone would have been fine with it if Obama did this"... They're missing the point, Obama wouldn't have done this. Whether you like Obama or not, he is a solid politician through and through. He had almost complete control over his image during both his campaign and presidency and had almost never humiliated himself, even when faced with the most opposition a president has faced since FDR. Clinton has the world in the palm of her hand, yet she can't pull anything off to appear likeable. It's actually sad. Just this thread is enough proof that her image isn't the same as "Yes We Can" Obama... And most of these examples are from just this last campaign.
Furthermore, disregarding that fact that almost every facet of the race is designed for her to win, people understand that her winning is a massive loss to true progress, right? She's going to maintain and perpetuate a lot of the most predatory elements of our society, under the guise of "incremental change" when it's really to benefit her donors. She's a disgrace. I mean, the DNC bias is already something that we should be thinking about more seriously than just "well, that's politics." The former co-chair of her campaign is running the show. With only 8 years difference between campaigns. That particular situation is almost Bush-level corruption...
Jack Remington
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I don't really see a slimeball fake at all. I see, at worst, the second best current choice for the next POTUS.
In all honesty, this doesn't change much about how the votes will go anyway. What's the alternative? Vote for GOP that has pretty much salted the earth behind them on the campaign trail with every Latino minority outside of Florida?
Sanders sure whatever, lets see him make it out of the primaries but in the end it's a cheap meaningless gaffe that will get Twitter riled up for a day. Ask most people in a week and they're probably just be like me vale. Don't see much value in this other than poking fun at it.
Sanders sure whatever, lets see him make it out of the primaries but in the end it's a cheap meaningless gaffe that will get Twitter riled up for a day. Ask most people in a week and they're probably just be like me vale. Don't see much value in this other than poking fun at it.
Why do people ask this stupid ass question on here so much knowing full well that half of this board is up Bernie Sanders anus?
Jack Remington said:
Every time they grill her about being a stooge for Wall Street she deflects by saying "boy, good thing we're not the Republicans, hehe." She claimed only 3% of her donations came from Wall Street but deliberately left out her SuperPAC (which brings it up to 7.2%). At the same time she claimed that she got more donations from students and schoolteachers than from Wall Street, but she was speaking about the percentage of individual contributions, not the total amount of money donated. She didn't get more from teachers than Wall Street representatives.
How is she not slimy, at least?
Edit: And that's forgetting that one time she deflected being a Wall Street stooge by using 9/11. Utterly disgraceful spin.
LOL @ blaming the lowly Latina staffer! This sort of #myabuela stuff gets thought up by a marketing team and goes through an approval process involving project managers and even goes as far up as Hillary signing off. But no, let's blame the intern for this awkward mess. Hilarious!
vicissitudes
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GAF will never admit this but Trump is much more in touch with the American people than Hillary is. He's using social media (and the traditional media) in incredibly effective ways with his tweets, vines, and ubiquitous media appearances. Meanwhile Hillary completely flubs any attempts at social media and avoids media appearances in order to not expose herself as the clueless candidate that she is. When the popular, hip candidate amongst young people is a 73-year-old white man from Vermont you know you dun goofed.
If he was the hip and popular candidate, he would be more competitive with Hilary.
Reality check: He isn't, so he's not.
Obama was seen buying SW blu-rays a few years ago; he's got a history.
Hillary is trying to be that "cool politician", like Obama and even Bill. She's not that cool politician, and it has nothing to do with being a woman; attempts to play a character for votes always come across as phony.
vicissitudes
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I said amongst young people:
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2015...n-among-millennials-poll-finds/3071445008835/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-millennials-poll_56699fade4b0f290e5222a60
But whatever - GAF blindly loves Hillary and hates Trump, so who cares about actual data right?
timetokill
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Hillary really needs to accept that she may be liked but she will never be well liked.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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You know Gaf is actually quite a few people, right
And Trump being in touch with a large portion of America isn't exactly great for other portions of America
Hexa
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If your choices are either someone that's out of touch with you or someone that wants to deport you, its pretty obvious which way you'll go.
Not even sure why she would be trying to be honest. Waste of time. The result is guaranteed no matter what she does.
...so apparently you have to be a "nerd" to reference Star Wars these days? I mean, never mind the fact that the films have been a global phenomenon since the very first one, and everything from soft drinks to fucking inkjet printers are referencing to newest film. No, suddenly Hillary is "nerd pandering" for using one of the most widespread movie quotes of all time at a time when the latest film is slated to become one of the highest grossing films of all time?
I swear, of all the reasons to hate on Hill Hill.
I swear, of all the reasons to hate on Hill Hill.
Bam Bam Baklava
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What's up with how Star Wars is supposed to be the equivalent of Twilight or something where only young people watch it. There are Star Wars fans alive that saw the originals and the crowds I saw for it ranged in age pretty broadly.
This is one case where I feel like the young people are the ones out of touch here. Star Wars is not some millennial thing at all.
vicissitudes
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I think if Hillary stops caring about being well-liked and just accepts the fact that some people will hate her no matter what, that might actually help her likability.
I mean a ton of people hate Obama, and he's about as likable as you can get as a politician.
When Obama referenced Star Wars it's because he actually had to go see the movie, which happens to be popular. When Hillary referenced it at the debate, it's because it's a reference to a popular movie, not because she herself would ever utter something like that to a friend. At least, that's the perception.
Take the Chipotle incident - no one accused Hillary of pandering there, because it was obvious she was just there to grab a quick lunch. That actually made her more relatable. People's perception of her motives is the key.
I just chalk it up to the same people who take offense to the word gamer being thrown around for people who play mobile. No one really gives a fuck in the end.
7 Things Hillary Clinton has in common with your waifu
She isn't afraid to talk about the importance of the kawaii.
She reacts this way when people talk shit about your waifu
She reads to you before bedtime
She isnt afraid to talk about the importance of moe moe kyun (especially when it comes to women)
MOE MOE KYUN.
She likes to praise delusional otakus
and she had one word for Donald Trump
Everybody loves waifueven this guy.
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