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Warm Machine said:
The whole reuse of the empire / imperials / first order drives me bananas. You can call Han shooting second as a flattening of his character but the whole goal of the OT is undemined by this movie.

They could have made the enemy army anyone else. Even take Mandalorians seeing a political opening and building up an army and your plot is exactly where it needs to be. All you need is cool looking guys in armour with big ships and Snoke as the leader. This way you are not doing retroactive plot damage or have to justify their continued existence.
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I can understand it being unsatisfying as a consumer, but I think it makes a lot of sense story wise.

It's been 30 years, the remnants of the Empire have reformed. They aren't just going to demilitarize and try for a weapon even lesser than the DeathStar. They are going to make the next generation of their famed weapon/base.

JJ said in order to move forward with a new story, they had to go backwards. They had to setup the characters, throw them into a larger resistance. Pit them against a reformed Empire. That whole aspect had to feel like a legitimate struggle was still underway, and made since in universe.

But now the Republic has been crippled. Like 9 planets destroyed. The First Order is crippled with StarKiller Base destroyed. Now they can move forward. We have Luke training a new generation of Jedi, we have this new type of Dark Force users, the Knights of Ren.

From here on out, they will have to explore the landscape of the battle being fought for the balance of the force. Not just fighting against political entities and their weaponry, but more so on the forces that ebb and flow behind the scenes.

We now have a chance for these characters to have very different stories of their own.
 
Warm Machine said:
Then it is the laziest production design in Star Wars having them use imperial costuming and ship designs.
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They are a leftover remnant of the Empire. Following RotJ those Imperials who did not surrender were pushed to the outer edges of the galaxy. Eventually peace accords were brokered and the remnant were basically given a small section of their own after signing a non-aggression pact.
 
I think i'm through my 12th liver transplant with all the mary sue

CGI was great except the Malboros- I mean the Rathtar
 
The way i see it, the Order is the militant part of the remnants of The Empire, with their own specific agenda. I believe the New Republic and the Empire signed a form of a treaty/truce, and demilitarized. The Resistance is pretty much an 'undercover' militant part of the New Republic, a sort of CIA but with more armed personel.
 
Warm Machine said:
They did that and destroyed the empire, at least that was the implication. Like I said, make the enemy army anyone else and it works without having to undo the OT.

I get the nostalgia of wanting to see storm troopers, tie fighters, star destroyers, and so on but it wasn't necessary for the plot.
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The Empire wasn't destroyed. Vader and Palpatine were killed, the Death Star blew up, but there was a whole fleet out there that didn't exactly just give up and surrender the next day (and why would they? they still owned a whole galaxy).

Star Wars has never pretended that the Empire was destroyed immediately after Jedi. Whether it's the new movies or the old EU, the premise of Imperial remnants continuing the fight against the Republic has always been there.
 
People act like the empire is back. It's not. In the OT the empire ruled the galaxy, now the first order just plunged it into chaos. It's probably going to be a split across the galaxy with some wanting to work together against the first order, others with the resistance. But it won't be like in the OT, it will probably be more about the galaxy being in chaos.

In the OT it was the empire, and a small resistance.
 
Meowster said:
Did Snoke just take over after Palpatine's death? Was there a power struggle? Was this touched on in any of the new EU?
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Dont know.. i believe the prevailing theory is that he is an incarnation of Darth Plagueis, who somehow survived/resurrected and hid himself. A sort of Sith Yoda.
 
Carn82 said:
Dont know.. i believe the prevailing theory is that he is an incarnation of Darth Plagueis, who somehow survived/resurrected and hid himself. A sort of Sith Yoda.
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That doesn't explain how could end up in charge of the first order. One would think the first order would be more church like, giving control to Snoke because he's a dark force pope. Considering they have knights of Ren, that might be what they are going for.
 
I think Finn should get a lightsaber even though he has no force powers. This movie shows that any normal person can wield a lightsaber and do work.
 
LowKeyedUp said:
Absolutely. The prequels had a-list actors in it and none of them save McDiarmid gave a decent performance. Christensen is not a bad actor.
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Christensen is a bad actor, since I saw him equal or even surpass his atrocious performances in episode II and III. He sucked in Awake, Jumper and managed to annoy the shit out of despite a small role in New York, I love you. I wasn't interested in seeing what he did after that, but his latest movies have been ripped to shred by critics and some of them seems like direct to dvd / bluray affair. :p

Not only Lucas is bad at directing actors, but the casting choices in the PT weren't good enough. I can just imagine what would of happened if Lucas tried to make his episode VII or even make shoot what we have as episode VII and what actress he would of picked to play Rey?
 
Ether_Snake said:
That doesn't explain how could end up in charge of the first order. One would think the first order would be more church like, giving control to Snoke because he's a dark force pope. Considering they have knights of Ren, that might be what they are going for.
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Well, your guess is as good as mine, hehe. Maybe he was part of some interim-leadership and took control at a certain point. Maybe there still is some other kind of leadership that runs the Empire, and the Order is Snookie's sorta secret 'project'
 
Just read that Rey IS Luke's daughter. In TFA Disney Infinity, Kylo says "face me, cousin!"

Lol Disney even reached out to the guy that made the video and asked him to take it down. 😁
 
I saw the movie again last night, and enjoyed it more the second time. I enjoyed a lot more of the details in the world sprinkled throughout, and appreciated they relatively sparse amount of exposition, allowing the audience's imagination to fill in the blanks about the worlds we were being taken to, and the oddities being seen.

If there's one thing that still isn't perfectly clicking for me, it's probably Finn and to a lesser extent, Poe. I dunno, they just felt like they became chummy way too fast, with too little interaction. I also felt that Finn's reactions to certain things felt...overblown. Like Han told him in one scene, "Bring it down." Still, minor grievance.
 
I'm glad I managed to see it in 2D for my first viewing because seeing it a second time in IMAX I must say the 3D was terrible. With the possible exception of scenes with the Star Destroyer, the 3D difference was at best negligible and at worst distracting.
 
Dash_Riprock said:
I'm glad I managed to see it in 2D for my first viewing because seeing it a second time in IMAX I must say the 3D was terrible. With the possible exception of scenes with the Star Destroyer, the 3D difference was at best negligible and at worst distracting.
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You saw it in a bad theater then.
 
brandonh83 said:
That doesn't make sense.
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Basically, so far as I understand it:

Guy plays Infinity 3.0.
Thinks he hears a thing.
Records it off his TV
A post is written about what's being misheard.
Nobody actually checks with anyone before sharing some misheard bullshit.

Kylo Ren says "Face Me," and is interrupted by a blaster shot, at which point he yells "Curses"

It's sorta like when a Street Fighter character is yelling a special move out, and they get kicked, so the yell gets interrupted with a grunt. Except in this case, the grunt is the exclamation "CURSES!" which Ren apparently yells when he gets shot in this game.

It's highly doubtful Disney asked anyone to take anything down, as it's been proved from earlier this year that you can just blame Disney lawyers for your shitty reporting after the fact.
 
brandonh83 said:
There were still imperial personnel and assets left over. I mean it's pretty much impossible to completely wipe out a faction with the power and resources to build something like the Death Star... twice. I dunno, it makes sense to me but to each his own :)
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The Death Star is a powerful weapon. I can't fault Anyone wanting to rebuild it. Blowing up planets is a quick way to rule the galaxy. Someone is gonna fix the weakness.
 
It finally arrived.

It's by no means the best J Dub score, but it's actually pretty good.

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Dash_Riprock said:
Whoever Snoke is, he better not be Palpy's son. That will always been this handsome gentleman:
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I loved those books as a little kid, LOL, the one with the Leia robot that shoots lasers out of her eyes was the best one though. They were the only Star Wars books my library had so I thought they were the only Star Wars EU for ages.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Has he said more than this?
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Yeah, but I can't find the quotes right now. I know that article itself quotes Kennedy as saying he liked it, and I'm pretty sure he further elaborated on "I really liked it!" at some other function, but I can't find it now.

I also think people are so used to interpreting Lucas' comments as super-serious slabs of straight-faced proclamation they miss when the dude is being kind of a smartass. "The fans are gonna love it" could be taken as a backhanded compliment, but it's also an acknowledgement that what he makes isn't easy to like. He's thrown himself under the bus like that a couple times when talking about this movie.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
Yeah, but I can't find the quotes right now. I know that article itself quotes Kennedy as saying he liked it, and I'm pretty sure he further elaborated on "I really liked it!" at some other function, but I can't find it now.

I also think people are so used to interpreting Lucas' comments as super-serious slabs of straight-faced proclamation they miss when the dude is being kind of a smartass. "The fans are gonna love it" could be taken as a backhanded compliment, but it's also an acknowledgement that what he makes isn't easy to like. He's thrown himself under the bus like that a couple times when talking about this movie.
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I kinda feel bad people shit on lucas so much. He still is the reason for most of this universe, its ideas and the joy it brings. He also was the force behind indiana jones. Dude gets too much flack imo.

I do want to know how much of what these movies are comes from his ideas and how much are the new people and Kennedy
 
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