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DangerMouse said:
Yeah.

Yeah, he did a good job (and making you want to beat him up) and looked the part. And also he did a good job giving off the proper impression that a lot of the time he was putting up facades and weird desperation.
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I think among Driver's accomplishments was giving Kylo such a great personality through body language alone through the first two acts, since his face was hidden. Someone posted the .gif a while back of Kylo slowly turning around when he's told the BB-8 escaped in a freighter from Jakku. He walks this perfect line between menacing and comical.
 
The One and Done™;190372523 said:
I think some crazy shit went down at Luke's Jedi Academy that put this whole gory story into motion. It's quite possible that Snoke may have been involved in the Academy in some way as well. How else do you explain how someone could get close enough to Ben to influence him.

The Academy falling was Luke's biggest failure, which is why he went into hiding.

Rey's identity is very curious. She is either Luke's daughter or simply a child prodigy strong with the force. Regardless, it was definitely Luke who left her on Jakuu, I think for the protection of the galaxy. I think Rey was leaning darkside even as a child and Luke made the decision to leave her and wipe her memory to protect the world from another darkside force user.

And maybe he also realized that she, if turned good, could save the galaxy. Might be a stretch but Luke's facial expressions at the end imply so much.
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In Rey's vision her face changes to Snoke's for a moment. She might have been mind-read by Snoke to find their location, Kylo and his knights go there and kill them all. In her vision someone tries to kill her but gets killed by Kylo. Maybe because she was seen as the culprit for being found (even if she was just a kid, out of anger).

That would mess with her mind if she found out she was responsible for the jedis (maybe even her family) being wiped out, and if the jedis even tried to kill her.

She could have been dumped on Jakku after serving her purpose, a kind of "thanks, you get to live, enjoy your new life here, lol".
 
The One and Done™;190372523 said:
I think some crazy shit went down at Luke's Jedi Academy that put this whole gory story into motion. It's quite possible that Snoke may have been involved in the Academy in some way as well. How else do you explain how someone could get close enough to Ben to influence him.

The Academy falling was Luke's biggest failure, which is why he went into hiding.

Rey's identity is very curious. She is either Luke's daughter or simply a child prodigy strong with the force. Regardless, it was definitely Luke who left her on Jakuu, I think for the protection of the galaxy. I think Rey was leaning darkside even as a child and Luke made the decision to leave her and wipe her memory to protect the world from another darkside force user.

And maybe he also realized that she, if turned good, could save the galaxy. Might be a stretch but Luke's facial expressions at the end imply so much.
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It really only says Luke vanished. Yes we are to maybe imply he went into hiding but in reality he was in search of/found the first Jedi temple. So while yes he was distraught at the fact his nephew turned towards the darkside and his school and jedi being destroyed. It tells me that he's not really hiding but in search of more information. That there's a greater threat out there that he doesn't know how to face.
 
GhaleonEB said:
I think among Driver's accomplishments was giving Kylo such a great personality through body language alone through the first two acts, since his face was hidden. Someone posted the .gif a while back of Kylo slowly turning around when he's told the BB-8 escaped in a freighter from Jakku. He walks this perfect line between menacing and comical.
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I also really liked his raw anger and totally undisciplined fighting style. I thought it was cool that he had a novel way of using a light saber that wasn't gimmicky or super flashy. It was also interesting in the context of a Jedi-less world, because relatively he was scary as fuck, but if you put him against a "golden age" fighter like Obi Wan he probably wouldn't have stood a chance.
 
TheDinoman said:
Could also do the sensible thing and just ignore these.
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No I'm not one of those fans. I would not tell another person willing to get into this franchise to ignore a section of movies if they were interested even if I don't personally find them up to par. Let them decide for themselves how they like the movies.
 
Snake said:
I think I brought this up when those Force Awakens Topps cards were first unveiled, but now that the movie's out I figured I'd give a refresher:

Anyone remember the old school Droids cartoon, and a certain character's name within?
You could watch this for a reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUwWYDduaiQ

Or (I might recommend) you could cut to the chase right here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7h7_d2BUtI

Originally aired 1985.
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something something poetry
 
Snake said:
I think I brought up this easter egg of sorts when those Force Awakens Topps cards were first unveiled, but now that the movie's out I figured I'd give a refresher:

Anyone remember the old school Droids cartoon, and a certain character's name within?
You could watch this for a reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUwWYDduaiQ

Or (I might recommend) you could cut to the chase right here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7h7_d2BUtI

Originally aired 1985.
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We talkin about the one and only...

Kybo Ren?

latest
 
APZonerunner said:
AOTC is the only one of the entire saga that is, imo, just irredeemably bad from start to finish. There's the kernel of a good film in TPM and there are actually a great film in ROTS. I can actually see the people who prefer ROTS to this - I think they're nuts, but I can see it. Anybody who prefers Clones actually needs their head testing, though. It's a terrible, terrible movie.
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I will still stand by my belief that AOTC is one of the worst high budget films of all time. The dialogue throughout the movie literally sounds like badly written fanfiction. It's awful, and the plot of Jedi not being able to fall in love is one of the dumbest plotlines ever in Star Wars.
 
Kybo Ren is one of those weird things that makes you wonder if someone, regardless of what JJ and Kasdan said, didn't feel some kind of influence from the EU, just due to the similarity of the name. That and Legacy Vol. II, which kind of felt suspiciously similar in a broad sense to Finn and Rey, and especially when compared to the old shot list which featured the lightsaber more heavily.

Big One said:
I will still stand by my belief that AOTC is one of the worst high budget films of all time. The dialogue throughout the movie literally sounds like badly written fanfiction. It's awful, and the plot of Jedi not being able to fall in love is one of the dumbest plotlines ever in Star Wars.
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There's nothing weird about monks abstaining from romantic relationships. There was already a theme of the Jedi being anti-attachment in the OT, where Yoda and Obi-Wan were begging Luke not to let his attachments get in the way of his training, to the point that Yoda was willing to let Han die rather than let Luke try to go rescue him.
 
GhaleonEB said:
I think among Driver's accomplishments was giving Kylo such a great personality through body language alone through the first two acts, since his face was hidden. Someone posted the .gif a while back of Kylo slowly turning around when he's told the BB-8 escaped in a freighter from Jakku. He walks this perfect line between menacing and comical.
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That scene is so good. He hears the first part of the news and wrecks the console with his lightsaber while the soldier is flinching and scared out of his wits. And then he slowly turns around and asks "anything else?" and the delivery of that line is perfect. Such a great perfomance.
 
sphagnum said:
Kybo Ren is one of those weird things that makes you wonder if someone, regardless of what JJ and Kasdan said, didn't feel some kind of influence from the EU, just due to the similarity of the name. That and Legacy Vol. II, which kind of felt suspiciously similar in a broad sense to Finn and Rey, and especially when compared to the old shot list which featured the lightsaber more heavily.
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Could well be a bunch of names from Lucas that they just kept.
 
Finally saw the movie. I was on a business trip and didn't get a chance to catch it until today.

It's a great movie overall. I do think it has its share of problems though but manages to really get back to what was really enjoyable about Star Wars.
 
Ether_Snake said:
Could well be a bunch of names from Lucas that they just kept.
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I meant more in terms of concepts. Han's son turning evil, Rey being similar to Jaina as a gearhead (and possibly a Skywalker descendant), Finn and Rey being an Imperial on the run and a girl from a scrapyard who are forced to go on an adventure after they find a Jedi's lightsaber (since the original idea was that BB-8 was hiding Luke's lightsaber, not coordinates for a map), etc.

I'll take JJ at his word but it seems like a pretty big coincidence.
 
The One and Done™;190372523 said:
I think some crazy shit went down at Luke's Jedi Academy that put this whole gory story into motion. It's quite possible that Snoke may have been involved in the Academy in some way as well. How else do you explain how someone could get close enough to Ben to influence him.

The Academy falling was Luke's biggest failure, which is why he went into hiding.

Rey's identity is very curious. She is either Luke's daughter or simply a child prodigy strong with the force. Regardless, it was definitely Luke who left her on Jakuu, I think for the protection of the galaxy. I think Rey was leaning darkside even as a child and Luke made the decision to leave her and wipe her memory to protect the world from another darkside force user.

And maybe he also realized that she, if turned good, could save the galaxy. Might be a stretch but Luke's facial expressions at the end imply so much.
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My theory is similar. They seem to be cherry picking old EU stuff, and I think them using Revan's story is possible.

Though, I question if she was really left ton Jakku as a child, or if that is part of the mind wipe and false memories. I wonder if she wasn't left on Jakku much much earlier. Kylo Ren looks pretty young, he can't be that much older than she is (in universe, I know there's 10 years difference between the actors).
 
igordennis said:
That scene is so good. He hears the first part of the news and wrecks the console with his lightsaber while the soldier is flinching and scared out of his wits. And then he slowly turns around and asks "anything else?" and the delivery of that line is perfect. Such a great perfomance.
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Found it.

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The comic tension in that scene was so good.
 
Instead of murdering all the younglings in Episode 3, Anakin should have kidnapped them and transformed them into the Knights of Ren between III and IV. Ben Solo returning and resurrecting Vader's splinter order/special hit squad of Force Adepts would be cool.

I mean, I just cannot gloss over the fact that he murdered thirty children. Like, it seems grossly unnecessary. The scene isn't even very good. There's no conflict or anything. He just shows up and welp everyone's dead.
 
Guys idk. I'm thinking and even though I have no logical basis for this. I feel Rey by the end of episode 8 falls to the darkside and maybe even becomes Ren's apprentice. Don't ask my why I think this. It's just something I feel would really shake things up.
 
Boke1879 said:
Guys idk. I'm thinking and even though I have no logical basis for this. I feel Rey by the end of episode 8 falls to the darkside and maybe even becomes Ren's apprentice. Don't ask my why I think this. It's just something I feel would really shake things up.
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They are not gonna have the only female protagonist of Star Wars fall to the dark side.
 
sphagnum said:
I meant more in terms of concepts. Han's son turning evil, Rey being similar to Jaina as a gearhead (and possibly a Skywalker descendant), Finn and Rey being an Imperial on the run and a girl from a scrapyard who are forced to go on an adventure after they find a Jedi's lightsaber (since the original idea was that BB-8 was hiding Luke's lightsaber, not coordinates for a map), etc.

I'll take JJ at his word but it seems like a pretty big coincidence.
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Kylo is a Skywalker and a Solo.
 
No reason to think Luke left Rey on Jakku. Left in the hands of a bad guy on a deadly planet. The last one we see approach Rey before seeing her get dumped is Kylo. It's like she had served a purpose so her life was spared and as a thank you they just dropped her in a shitty place, literally like throwing a kid out of a car on the road.

The Librarian said:
They are not gonna have the only female protagonist of Star Wars fall to the dark side.
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Bull.
 
Boke1879 said:
Guys idk. I'm thinking and even though I have no logical basis for this. I feel Rey by the end of episode 8 falls to the darkside and maybe even becomes Ren's apprentice. Don't ask my why I think this. It's just something I feel would really shake things up.
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I really hope LucasFilm and Disney have the balls to do things like this but I doubt it. They are too safe and stick to what appeals most to their marketing plans. But, you never know...
 
Boke1879 said:
Guys idk. I'm thinking and even though I have no logical basis for this. I feel Rey by the end of episode 8 falls to the darkside and maybe even becomes Ren's apprentice. Don't ask my why I think this. It's just something I feel would really shake things up.
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Ya I wondering if they'd be brave enough to do something like that, have the roles reversed. Kylo goes light.
 
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