It's worth pointing out that even when Apple "killed" the optical drive, they only dropped it at first in a single niche, expensive laptop in 2008. Every MacBook, MacBook Pro, and iMac still had an optical drive until 2012. That's a four year transition period, because they thought in 2008 that ditching it was the future but it wasn't really there just yet. They didn't take that risk on their most popular flagship Macs for a reason.
Supply Chain Rumors Reaffirm iPhone 7 Will Not Have Headphone Jack
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It's worth pointing out that even when Apple "killed" the optical drive, they only dropped it at first in a single niche, expensive laptop in 2008. Every MacBook, MacBook Pro, and iMac still had an optical drive until 2012. That's a four year transition period, because they thought in 2008 that ditching it was the future but it wasn't really there just yet. They didn't take that risk on their most popular flagship Macs for a reason.
I use those too. For music and podcasts while working out, there's not much better for price and performance.
PeakPointMatrix
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Just rebuy your expensive headphones guys! No problem!
What exactly is the benefit of getting rid of the AUX jack again?
And you still can!
I guess some of you cats are too young to remember PS/2 adapters. We had one broad here at work that kept her original MS ergonomic split keyboard from the day it was released until last year, all by using an adapter.
GASP!
Mammoth Jones
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Sounds fine to me.
Dongles are not ideal. They are cumbersome and inconvenient to the user.
The only one so far is: makes the phones thinner. The waterproof excuse is invalid since there are a lot of phones already in the marked that are waterproof and still have the port.
Funky Papa
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Come on, lasty. We all know you are saving yourself for the Surface Phone.
Veritigo_X
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Dongles! What a great solution!
radios shipping overview
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Can you tell me what dropping the 3.5mm jack is supposed to improve, aside from reducing parts count and encouraging people to buy proprietary accessories? It's padding the bottom line, not innovation. Bean-counting, not engineering. Apple's making a lot of decisions like that lately.
And progress isn't comfortable.
I'm gonna love this thread in about 2 years.
UnemployedVillain
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I'm going to bump this because no one seems to be addressing it
Dubious thread title there.
This shit is why I will never buy an iPhone. Aside from the fact I don't like the OS, Apple keep introducing proprietary connections that literally no one else uses.
I'm quite happy using my £250 audio technica headphones, the fact that I won't be able to use them on the iPhone kinda justifies me not ever buying one.
I also have a pair of Bluetooth Sony headphones which kick ass, but I'm still not getting an iPhone. Ever.
This shit is why I will never buy an iPhone. Aside from the fact I don't like the OS, Apple keep introducing proprietary connections that literally no one else uses.
I'm quite happy using my £250 audio technica headphones, the fact that I won't be able to use them on the iPhone kinda justifies me not ever buying one.
I also have a pair of Bluetooth Sony headphones which kick ass, but I'm still not getting an iPhone. Ever.
Even if most people use the earphones that are included with their phone, there is still a very large market of people who don't. That market is very unlikely to want to use Apple's (or any other manufacturers) included earphones since they already have they're earphones of choice.
Hari Seldon
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This is 100% a deal breaker for me. Tim Cook's apple sucks ass. They need zombie jobs.
That's why shielding exists.
it's excusable for say, the Game Boy from 1989. Modern products? No. Aux output is fucking crystal clear.
onadesertedisland
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The lightning port is prone to getting lint stuck inside and then burning out cables or not working. I don't see a benefit to ditching a standard connection aside from aesthetics. Why not just have a different wall prong, because you know those things are long overdue for a change?
I still have that problem with some shitty laptops on occasion, but never with an iPod or iPhone. It's a non-issue on decent devices.
Mammoth Jones
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How is getting rid of an internal headphone jack and making it external "progress"? Wireless headphone will never be mainstream until people can listen for days on end without needing to charge them.
I love my iPhone. I love my iPad. I love my apple tv. I love my macbook. I love my apple watch. But this would be a silly move. Im tired of thinner phones. People want bigger batteries. Not paper thing phones. Ditching the 3.5mm jack just to make the phone thinner isn't progress. It's style over functionality.
Like what in 2 years? I've been using Jaybird Bluebud X's since they dropped. Same w/ my logitech UE Boom. I been on the bluetooth game. But that doesn't change that a dongle sucks ass in something as highly utilized as a headphone jack. W/ apple ditching wired ethernet port on the retina macbooks it was different as most people have already transitioned to wifi. If most people were already on bluetooth audio I'd agree.
balladofwindfishes
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PS/2 to USB keyboards was an improvement for the consumer. USB was becoming standard on nearly every computer and was one non-proprietary port used for multiple devices
Veritigo_X
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At least you acknowledge it's a shitty solution.
I'm gonna love using my normal headphones without inconvenience in 2 years.
Lupin the Third
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Um, isn't Bluetooth a pretty big battery drain? I hadn't turned my Bluetooth off on my Android tablet when I first got it and when I saw the readings it had drained a huge chunk of the initial charge.
It seems like backwards thinking to be potentially adding a little to the battery size while removing one of the biggest power-conserving measures a consumer has available to them.
And aren't they expected to be shrinking the phone even further? Are we even sure there will be a net gain in battery size/power/runtime?
It seems like backwards thinking to be potentially adding a little to the battery size while removing one of the biggest power-conserving measures a consumer has available to them.
And aren't they expected to be shrinking the phone even further? Are we even sure there will be a net gain in battery size/power/runtime?
Sounds terrible but I'd have to see the implementation. In my eyes they'd need to:
Package Bluetooth headphones in the box
Offer ability to charge included headphones with the Lightning port like the apple pencil. This cord, when attached to phone and listening, resembles the old school headphone cords, of course with ability to detach the cord at any time which Apple fans will eat up
Offer a separate adapter for aux output through lightning connector sold separately. This connector also has a lighting port to allow charging and listening at the same time (justifies Apple expense tax with design)
Ensure official dock has a line out, and release at the same time
Improvement to battery life to justify removal. Personally don't believe devices need to get thinner
This will mitigate complaints of having something else to charge. At your desktop the dock will be relevant and allow you to use your expensive headphones at work or at home. On the go there is still an option to use old style headphones. On the go, included Bluetooth headphones can be wired at any time with the charge cable. And there will be immediate gains for the end user
Package Bluetooth headphones in the box
Offer ability to charge included headphones with the Lightning port like the apple pencil. This cord, when attached to phone and listening, resembles the old school headphone cords, of course with ability to detach the cord at any time which Apple fans will eat up
Offer a separate adapter for aux output through lightning connector sold separately. This connector also has a lighting port to allow charging and listening at the same time (justifies Apple expense tax with design)
Ensure official dock has a line out, and release at the same time
Improvement to battery life to justify removal. Personally don't believe devices need to get thinner
This will mitigate complaints of having something else to charge. At your desktop the dock will be relevant and allow you to use your expensive headphones at work or at home. On the go there is still an option to use old style headphones. On the go, included Bluetooth headphones can be wired at any time with the charge cable. And there will be immediate gains for the end user
And you're here to tell us that wireless isn't the better solution for everything short of audiophile rigs?
Ok.
Hari Seldon
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This is literally a money grab to sell beats headphones. That is all this is. This is Apple at its absolute shittiest. Zero innovation, only wanting more $$$$$$$$.
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Ignatz Mouse
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I went to wireless headphones about a year ago and I love it, but this still seems like a bad idea.
Headphones jacks are a ubiquitous standard, and that's a good thing. Super simple to plug into anything you might have. Bluetooth pairing, OTOH, runs into issues with many-to-many relationships with multiple devices trying to pair to one.
Headphones jacks are a ubiquitous standard, and that's a good thing. Super simple to plug into anything you might have. Bluetooth pairing, OTOH, runs into issues with many-to-many relationships with multiple devices trying to pair to one.
lastflowers
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If that happens in definitely getting it. Was thinking about both if the 256gb was true
starchild excalibur
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Yeah, fuck universal standards and options. I want my half millimeter gain in thinness! ...So, then I can slap a case on it which will bulk it back up again.
Seriously, fuck Apple if true. I'm not gonna be naive and say it's hurt them dramatically. At this point I'm not sure what would. But removing an immensely convenient universal option just because they don't like that it's "old tech" or whatever (or maybe those were just the ramblings of the OP) while not providing a convenient alternative is insane.
Seriously, fuck Apple if true. I'm not gonna be naive and say it's hurt them dramatically. At this point I'm not sure what would. But removing an immensely convenient universal option just because they don't like that it's "old tech" or whatever (or maybe those were just the ramblings of the OP) while not providing a convenient alternative is insane.
I'm using their words, not mine. I doubt they'll introduce Lightning Beats as "THE OFFICIAL APPLE SUBPAR HEADPHONE EXPERIENCE".
I use my wireless headphones for talking and working out, but I use my over hear headphones for listening to music. The fall off in quality is significant.
sixteen-bit
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Unlike USB, PS/2 got that N-key rollover tho
The official bass over everything compromising overall fidelity experience!
Always-honest
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So i hope there will be a good adapter.................
Because i have good headphones and i don't need shitty Apple headphones. And i won't use dumbass bluetooth for music.
How thin is too thin Ive?
Because i have good headphones and i don't need shitty Apple headphones. And i won't use dumbass bluetooth for music.
How thin is too thin Ive?
Palette Swap
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Still as wary as the last five times this has been hinted at.
Right now, I don't see a benefit to it, thinner being a solution to a problem I don't have. OTOH, the downsides seem pretty clear.
Right now, I don't see a benefit to it, thinner being a solution to a problem I don't have. OTOH, the downsides seem pretty clear.
Orbis Tabula
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This seems dumb, but I have an Android phone, so I don't care that much. My girlfriend will be annoyed, though.
Your post just made me remember the parody-of-itself that was the iPod shuffle third generation, where Apple thought "hey, maybe we could make this thing smaller if we removed all controls from it."
It's a rare example of Apple admitting they made a dumb mistake and they backpedaled for the fourth gen shuffle. Here's hoping that happens with the headphone jack, if indeed they put out an iPhone without one.
You'll be lucky if it's the same size. They'll make it thinner and slightly smaller.
Always-honest
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You believe it.
AstroNut325
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I'll take the wait and see approach. If it brings meaningful improvements, I'm for it. If. It's just thinness... Not sure I will support it.
AlexMeloche
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I was thinking of maybe switching back to an iPhone.
Guess I won't finally.
Guess I won't finally.
Glass Shark
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it's going to suck at first, but I think it's time for progress. Fortunately I already have a great pair of Bluetooth headphones I really like
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