Supply Chain Rumors Reaffirm iPhone 7 Will Not Have Headphone Jack

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-Pyromaniac- said:
Again, what makes you think the phone won't launch with a wired headset or support wired headsets? It just won't support 3.5mm.
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Do you use Apple's bundled headphones? More than that, are you happy to pay through the nose for another set lightning-compatible headphones when they inevitably break? Why should we have to pay for adapters to conform to Apple's proprietary formats when the alternative is maintaining the currently existing, universally accepted, perfectly functional 3.5mm jack?

I don't want to pay for a lightning-to-3.5mm adapter and then have to carry that around with me everywhere as another thing that can break.
 
wetflame said:
Do you use Apple's bundled headphones? More than that, are you happy to pay through the nose for another set lightning-compatible headphones when they inevitably break? Why should we have to pay for adapters to conform to Apple's proprietary formats when the alternative is maintaining the currently existing, universally accepted, perfectly functional 3.5mm jack?
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I did use them back when I had an iphone and I was pretty content. Do you honestly think apple doesn't have stats that show how much of their base uses what's bundled and what isn't. It's not a wild assumption to make that the majority of iphone users use the bundled earpods.

And for the ones that don't they'll reluctantly get an adapter, or wait for a good pair of lightning headphones to come out, or get something wireless. I hope this spurs headphone makers into making truly great wireless headsets. We'll see what apple does though.

I use an S6 now and I still use the OEM earphones lol. And yes I do own an expensive headset that I purchased that won't be compatible with it at home but when I'm out I use the bundled shit. Really doesn't bug me.
 
Lame as hell. Bluetooth isn't solution for many reasons, including that it's not allowed on planes. And who wants to carry an adapter around.

Hope it doesn't pan out or it will finally push me to Android.
 
CharmingCharlie said:
The sound is perfectly fine for 99.9% of the population. I certainly cannot tell the difference between blue tooth headphone and wired headphones. If you are an audiophile that cares about the sound that much then I have to ask "why the hell are you listening to music on a bloody mobile phone ?"

It is NOT significantly more expensive, you can easily pick up blue tooth headphones for less than 20 bucks which have similar sound performance to wired headphones around the same price. Now sure you are not going to find $2 blue tooth headphones like you can wired ones but then you obviously don't give a shit about sound quality.

Oh and what strawman ? Posters against blue tooth headphones keep championing the "simplicity" of wired headphones over the complexed procedure of pressing a bloody button to turn your blue tooth headphones on.
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This is the exact same bullshit argument people trot out on gaming side when it's a discussion on PC versus consoles.

'Hurr durr, if you really cared about graphics you'd have a 1500$ gaming rig like me'

It's an absolute, utter nonsense argument that completely fails to address the actual issue. People don't think in these ridiculous absolutes you present.
The issue is that using bluetooth and wireless headphones reduces audio quality. Whether you personally think it's substantial enough to care is completely irrelevant.

There are many inherent downsides to wireless audio that are legitimate. They don't need to be swept under the rug like you just tried to.
 
Jo Shishido's Cheeks said:
I haven't plugged in headphones since the iPhone 5.
The only way to get audio out of the Watch is wireless headphones so that was the precedent, this isnt surprising at all.
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but the watch isn't used for something like gps in a car, while the iphone is. If it was just about listening to music on your feet this wouldn't be an issue
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
haha what? What's the benefit of having different ports of various sizes and purposes? Why not one that does everything?
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It's not just having one type of port, it's one port. As has been mentioned several times in the thread many people like to charge their phone and listen to it at the same time, as do I.
 
Where are these non-Bluetooth earbuds Bboy suggests I buy? What option for wireless anything is there besides BT?
 
Seems kinda crazy thinking about it, that later this year we'll likely see phone companies try to use having a headphone jack as a selling point.

That's some shit.
 
Bboy AJ said:
Edit: People are confusing the lightning thing. Apple doesn't want you to use a proprietary hook up. They want you to use wireless. They're just giving you lightning as the connected option. Join us in the 21st century jfc
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Yeah, because everyone wants to charge more shit.
 
Sorry OP, but customer choice is better.

From your post I guess you'll enjoy paying for this in whatever clever way Apple markets it while others will pay for it unwillingly and in multiple ways.

I own some of their products (not an iPhone) but this is exactly the kind of thing I don't like about Apple. Them dragging along the Luddites as you describe it, isn't because they care so much about improving technology.
 
CharmingCharlie said:
Yeah similar to those that are champion the "simplicity" of wired headphones over the vastly herculean task of pairing a set of bluetooth headphones to your phone. If you check out some posters here you would think you need a PHD in Quantum Mechanics to use blue tooth headphones. Yet despite all this even my 75 year old mother is perfectly capable of pairing bluetooth headphones with her tablet and phone, who would've thought eh ?

I am not an Apple fanboy as I have said personally I cannot stand the company. But at this point I would be perfectly fine if smartphones removed ALL ports. Yup there I said it, get rid of Micro USB, bin USB C and relegate a 30-40 year old ear phone socket to the museum where it belongs.

I haven't used any of the ports on my phone since I bought a Nexus 4 over 3 years ago. If I want to listen to music I use my bluetooth headphones. If I want to charge my phone I just drop the phone down on the wireless charging pad. If I want to transfer files or data from my phone to my PC I do so wirelessly using Airdroid.

To me personally tethering and strangling your mobile phone with wires seems to be the complete opposite of what a mobile phone is actually meant to be about.
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People are saying Bluetooth quality sucks, has latency, and disconnects momentarily at times. All of which are true. People aren't saying it is hard to use.
 
I'll stick with Android at this point. While I'm fortunate to have a 2003 Volvo with only 150K on the odometer, the only bluetooth speaker I have hangs on my sun visor. My aux cable stems from a cassette tape adapter. I kinda need those ports. I'm not about to drop $35K for a new car with modern amenties just for shits and gigs
I'm saving to drop $70K on a Tesla in a decade anyways

Not to mention I certainly don't trust myself with wireless headphones/earbuds in how quickly I'll lose them. Given how often I lose my good wired earbuds, I don't want to throw even more money away for tech I'll use for two months before replacing them (Though admittedly, these wireless earbuds look pretty cool, and seem to overcome the bluetooth disconnection problems)
 
squidyj said:
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case in point.
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I don't understand, are you agreeing with me or saying that I'm crazy because I don't find it an insurmountable chore to plug something in while I climb into bed?

mrklaw said:
damn I forgot to put my headphones in my bag. Oh well I'll just pick up some $5 ones at the train station before I leave. Oh wait, my headphones had my stupid iphone dongle on, so I'm screwed.
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Look let me be clear: I'm not thrilled about the dongle thing. I've had to do it before with the first iPhone and it sucked then and I'm sure it'll suck now for people that still prefer wired headsets. I understand the annoyance. But what I was responding to was a person going "Oh fucking great another cord I have to lug around" and other completely outrageous comments because they were extreme exaggeration. It's not any kind of anything that will require lugging, as if the adaptor is gonna be several feet long and cumbersome to use. If it's like any adaptor Apple has ever made before it's gonna be a 2-3 inches long and cost around $19.

I agree with you that your hypothetical (though absolutely likely to happen) scenario is a pain in the ass. If these rumors turn out to be true I'm very interested in seeing Apple's solution to problems like that.
 
WordAssassin said:
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I don't understand, are you agreeing with me or saying that I'm crazy because I don't find it an insurmountable chore to plug something in while I climb into bed?



Look let me be clear: I'm not thrilled about the dongle thing. I've had to do it before with the first iPhone and it sucked then and I'm sure it'll suck now for people that still prefer wired headsets. I understand the annoyance. But what I was responding to was a person going "Oh fucking great another cord I have to lug around" and other completely outrageous comments because they were extreme exaggeration. It's not any kind of anything that will require lugging, as if the adaptor is gonna be several feet long and cumbersome to use. If it's like any adaptor Apple has ever made before it's gonna be a 2-3 inches long and cost around $19.

I agree with you that your hypothetical (though absolutely likely to happen) scenario is a pain in the ass. If these rumors turn out to be true I'm very interested in seeing Apple's solution to problems like that.
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Shovel the cost onto the consumer like they've always done?
 
I've gone fully wireless since I bought these a while back. I've had no issues with disconnects, and they can pair with two devices, so I can have them paired with my Nexus 6 and the mp3 player below (it pauses the music when a call comes in, switches to the phone and then resumes when the call is over).

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With that said, the headphone jack shouldn't be removed until there is something that's comparable or better, which at this point in time, there isn't. I use Bluetooth for the convenience factor.
 
CharmingCharlie said:
The sound is perfectly fine for 99.9% of the population. I certainly cannot tell the difference between blue tooth headphone and wired headphones. If you are an audiophile that cares about the sound that much then I have to ask "why the hell are you listening to music on a bloody mobile phone ?.
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From iphone 5 onward, the audio output from the phone is really good actually. Significantly (to say the least) better than for example audio output from some HP laptop I have at work, and better than just about any mobile device I tried. I am discerning about audio quality, and for me, the raw iphone output is more than fine. What's not fine however, is a very notable audio degradation that bluetooth SBC brings. Hell, I can hear it even over the speakers in the car, when I'm not paying attention to the music. Over higher quality earphones it's extremely noticeable.

Then there is an issue of practicality where I want to use same headphones on the computer at work and on the phone. BT really sucks for that, as you can't just plug/unplug. But it's all rethorical, as Apple will provide some kind of lightning / 3.5mm adapter for the new phone anyway, so none of this will really matter. I doubt they'll degrade the DAC in their flagship product by making it external either.
 
Akronis said:
Shovel the cost onto the consumer like they've always done?
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Well, duh, I meant do they expect people to just go full wireless, will there be a dongle, if there is a dongle can you have it plugged in while charging, are they gonna move charging to the back of the phone ala Apple Watch so you can listen and charge that way, etc etc.
 
Wow, I can't wait to spend $700 on a phone that streams 256kbps audio over my cellular data connection, only to transcode (quality drop) it to a lower bitrate (quality drop) to my headphones, which will no doubt be sold separately!
 
gblues said:
Wow, I can't wait to spend $700 on a phone that streams 256kbps audio over my cellular data connection, only to transcode (quality drop) it to a lower bitrate (quality drop) to my headphones, which will no doubt be sold separately!
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I get where you're going as far as audio quality but so far every single iPhone ever sold has included headphones. You took it too far man!!

M3d10n said:
Bluetooth earbuds have a battery life of 5 hours. Somehow that's better than dealing with wires...
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Yeah but that's earbuds, gross. My old pair of wrap-around over-the-ear headphones lasted weeks between charges.
 
Well obviously Apple doesn't worry about 3.5mm when flying around on private jets. Everyone else slumming it in first class likes to be able to conveniently switch between their personal device and in-flight entertainment without a stupid adapter.
 
Knowing Apple, I wouldn't be super surprised to see them announce a new protocol for headphones that uses Bluetooth & WiFi together, just like a lot of their newer Continuity and Bluetooth stuff based on Bonjour tech. Cacheing audio a few seconds ahead where possible would solve a lot of the issues with wireless headphones, and it'd be nice to be able to take wireless headphones from your iPhone to your Mac to your AppleTV to your Apple Watch with as much ease as it'd take just to change cables (because currently Bluetooth is super shitty at all of these things).
 
As someone who has both Bluetooth H7 and H8 by BeoPlay and who has basically been using wireless headphones for 95% of my phone listening experience for the past three or so months, this is a good way for me to not buy the device. I'll probably try next Google device instead and use SD cards for storage. I wasn't going to buy this one anyway, but the 256GB storage perked up my ears a bit depending on other additions. This definitely makes the purchase a no for me.
 
lastflowers said:
As someone who has both Bluetooth H7 and H8 by BeoPlay and who has basically been using wireless headphones for 95% of my phone listening experience for the past three or so months, this is a good way for me to not buy the device. I'll probably try next Google device instead and use SD cards for storage. I wasn't going to buy this one anyway, but the 256GB storage perked up my ears a bit depending on other additions. This definitely makes the purchase a no for me.
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Wait, so, you have two sets of Bluetooth headphones, making the inclusion of a headphone jack a non issue for you, and you do almost all of your music listening with them, but if they do wind up removing it from the phone, something that won't actually affect you at all, you'll see that as a reason to not buy the phone?

Do you not like the Bluetooth headsets you have? Something seems missing from your post because it sounds like a headphone jack shouldn't actually matter to you one way or the other?
 
I hope this is true so we can witness Apple trying to tell us all about how they invented the 3.5mm jack for the iPhone 8.

And they think we're going to love it.
 
I'm happy about this. Can't stand wired headphones. Not an audiophile. Happy have my phone be thinner or allow for new design if it allows it. Most of you will come around. The rest will be a niche product in the not so distant future.
 
I don't get why people are celebrating this and using floppy disks or optical media as examples.

Both of those technologies had viable and competent alternatives such as solid state storage and later cloud storage, etc. that made dropping them that much easier.

There exists no competent and affordable technology that would meet the capabilities of the 3.5mm headphone jack. Bluetooth is meh, battery life is meh, charging is meh, expense is blah. And I'm not sure it is worth the 1mm or whatever savings likely to be seen in phone thickness either.
 
So it's probably too soon to just do this or will doing this speed up the development needed to have a good wireless audio standard?

i wonder if I should just get some lightning equipped headphones now
 
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