Wait a minute I think these fools are actually saying that the consoles will be selling 65 million a year in 2024.
I'm done lol
Xbox One at 18 million (activated units)
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Wait a minute I think these fools are actually saying that the consoles will be selling 65 million a year in 2024.
I'm done lol
It still was an exercise in stupidity to make the graph at all, regardless what they claimed their intentions were.
BURNING SPIRIT
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I was talking about US I'm not talking about worldwide . it's just a feeling I have, I feel like eventuaLly they will have a better lineup of exclusives and future hardware revisions will also make it attractive. Not saying ps4 is gonna get stomped but eventually I think MS will win.
That's Ars version of opening a racist statement by prefixing it with , "I'm no racist but".
Errr, that graph is based on one factor: "based on current annual % increase" and
"Fig. 7: At current rates of increase, annual Xbox One sales wouldn't catch the PS4 until 2024."
This is the LTD one:
No need to jump on Ars Technica.
Now will they make one to show the projections based off of the increase PS4 had for yoy 2014 to 2015?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the ps4 won every month They were the same price? The ps4 has an insane lineup this year. And scalebound for the Xbox one has already been delayed until next year.
Pathfinder
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Of course it is. But here, ammo is ammo.
The 360 was also severely supply constrained. I mean, 1.5 vs 3.9M shipments for the first quarter, not to mention the 360 launched in more countries than the XB1...
Not even Microsoft thinks that.
Umm, no. Xbox One had that shot holiday 2015 and the US spoke loud and clear. Considering how few exclusives PS4 had that year, your argument is completely ignoring that Xbox One did release more exclusives last year.
I also can't believe how people still don't understand how weak the Xbox brand is outside of a handful of major markets. This is what allowed the PS3 to eventually match the sales of Xbox 360 although it launched a year later. People are greatly overestimating the other 39 countries. If either of these countries were capable of generating anything close to one of the initial 13 markets, they would have been placed in the tier 1 instead of tier 2.
Allan, is also forgetting how many price cuts and packaging revisions Xbox One had to take this early in the generation to obtain that "selling better than Xbox 360" title. In under one year since it was on the market, Xbox took a $150 price reduction and dropped Kinect. They even attempted to raise the price back to $400 only to find that the US market didn't feel that the console was worth that much which resulted in an unofficial permanent price drop. This brings me back to my original point; the Xbox One is not as popular in the US (and worldwide) as the Xbox 360.
Primethius
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The context doesn't really make that graph any less stupid, let alone the entire article.
Then again, it's Ars, so stupidity is to be expected.
The future may very well prove me wrong, but I (like many) thought that Holiday 2015 was going to be the last chance Holiday, where MS was going to throw everything at Sony in the US.
They padded their lineup, sure, but instead of going balls to the wall like many (including myself) predicted, they were conservative in pricing, which is the #1 factor for Holidays.
Instead of having a Halo 5 $349 bundle (to discount $299 during BF), they did a $499 bundle.
Instead of doing a WW Tomb Raider bundle at $349 (to also have an attractive $299 bundle during BF), they went for a $399 1Tb bundle, not available outside of Best Buy, and not even sold in the UK.
Instead of having Fallout 4, their big 3rd party ace, as a $349 bundle, they got a $399 bundle as well.
Their big fighting horse was a remaster (GeoW bundle) and a Lego bundle (both $299 during BF), to fight against 3 Remasters bundle (UC) and a Star Wars bundle during THE Star Wars year, considering that the PS4 is the more attractive console in general at the same price.
This was the Halo 5/ Tomb Raider/ GeoW remater/ Forza 6/ Fallout 4 year for MS.
If MS didn't want to put up a fight with their best lineup vs a relatively weak PS4 exclusive lineup in a crucial Holiday year ... there is little to no chance they will in the future imo. If the past is any indication actualy, 2016 might just be a slaughter sales wise... (but again things tend to defy expectations sometimes, no one expected such a big Holiday win for PS4 until E3 2015).
Neuromancer
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Let's talk about Ars Technica some more. Remember this gem?
Let's talk about Ars Technica some more. Remember this gem?
I think the best bit is the scale. I mean, same distance for a x2 difference.
slavesnyder
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Didn't notice. Now THAT is clever.
bitbydeath
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They already played the Forza/Gears/Halo hand though.
If they were to get better they'd either need to buy up more studios or put Forza/Gears/Halo on hold.
Both options seem unlikely at this point.
They'll likely just continue the transition to PC to gain more software sales which is where the real money is made.
ethomaz
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I believe MS can't do that again.
They did in 2014 and the result was not good in terms of profit so this year they couldn't do the same deals in holidays.
That was expected to be fair... the 2014 was a suicide move or in other terms a desperate attempt.
Now they focused on what they need... profit.
Edit - The PS4's APU is less complex, small and cheaper than Xbone's GPU... price point is on the Sony side and they are playing very well with it.
Rex Griswold
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I generally prefer Xbox over PS, but I have a really hard time believing that Microsoft will be able to do anything but keep the gap between them and Sony from getting any wider.
They may shrink it, but overtake Sony? Nah, not happening.
Lol, there is no context that saves that article.
Get over this defensive nonsense.
...Scatter...
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To be fair the XBOX 360 launched cheaper and had a $249 arcade version for the kids if I recall correctly.
360 launched at 400$. Fairly sure the Core was 300$.
Let's talk about Ars Technica some more. Remember this gem?
All courtesy of Kyle Orland. He started out with "Don’t read too much into the PS4’s million day-one sales" and got successively worse.
Welfare
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Supply became a non issue after 2006.
Launch price was $299 for Core and $399 for the 20GB model.
The 120GB Elite model launch in April 07 for $479
August 2007 was the first price cut, where the Core dropped to $279, 20GB dropped to $349, and the Elite dropped to $449.
I was rewatching Microsoft's E3 2009 and 2010 and goddamn, such a beautiful time. So much hype, with Modern Warfare and Black Ops, ODST and Reach, NXE, Gears of War 3, Alan Wake, Assassin's Creed 2, Left 4 Dead 2, Splinter Cell Conviction, Batman Arkham Asylum, Xbox 360 Slim, a shitload of entertainment services, Kinect was hyped as hell.
I hope they pull something out of their sleeve this mid-gen similar to that. Sony have PS VR, I'm curious what Microsoft might do. Something more than just a hardware revision, which I hope happens this year. I'm ready for a sleeker Xbox One.
They really need to bring 1vs100 and this back.
I hope they pull something out of their sleeve this mid-gen similar to that. Sony have PS VR, I'm curious what Microsoft might do. Something more than just a hardware revision, which I hope happens this year. I'm ready for a sleeker Xbox One.
They really need to bring 1vs100 and this back.
bitbydeath
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PS4 did 17m last year, all they need is two consecutive years of 22m in order to reach 80m.
Now considering all the exclusives they have this year compared to last and 22m isn't that hard to top, combine that with the unknowns of VR and price drops to come over that period then Sony may reach 80m as early as next year.
I wouldn't expect any new consoles til at least 2019 if not 2020.
When they could only ship 0.9M in US+Canada vs having the opportunity to sell through twice that number in the US alone, that's going to severely bias things, especially since we're talking a 1-2M difference only after over 2 years.
You and every other Anerican failed corporate company has thought that Canada is the same marketwise. Just ask Target how they royally fucked up and went back to the US with there heada between their tails. Canada is a different market even for gaming. I believe PS4 is way ahead of Xbox One in marketshare based on what I've seen walking arounf Best Buy and Walmart here. We may be neighbours, but don't expect we have the same tastes in anything, even gaming.
Pathfinder
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What I said isn't wrong, though. All you have to do is look at the turn this thread took as proof of that.
It started with us conversing about Xbox One sales. Now it's devolved into how much Ars sucks.
Be thankful we didn't start talking rice cookers.
Yeah.. That is not going to happen. No one manufactures and ships 40 million hardware units [in 1 year] outside of Apple. I do expect Sony to be at have crossed 80 by the end of June of 2018.
bitbydeath
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Think you mis-read. That is 22m in one year.
44m is across two years.
IE by end of next year they could pass the 80m mark.
Norwegian_Imposter
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I'm two of those 18 million as I had two xboxs in the last 28 days. Bought a new Xbox because my drive was making a clunking sound (went 2 and half years without buyin a physical Xbox game and when I did I found out my drive had been broken all along)
Boombloxer
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"I got nothing except hope"
The Mad Draklor
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PS4 may be able to sell 22m this year, though being up YOY by ~4 million is a bit of a tall order. I'm even less confident if the PS4 can sell that much in 2017.
joecanada
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PSN sales smash any store most of the time. I haven't paid over 49.99 for a game in ages
That's not really a comparison, what about games on day one?
foolishoptimist
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In my experience, it depends on the game. Some games are same or cheaper on PSN, some are cheaper in physical form, but that usually depends on which shop you go to as well. I'm in AU, so my experience is limited to that region.
To be fair, plenty of us here haven't paid more than that for our physical games on day one either thanks to E3 pre-orders.
bitbydeath
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Well i just meant it 'could' reach 80m in the next 2 years as opposed to finishing the gen at 80m which is likely 4+ years away.
StrongBlackVine
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2017 looks to have lot software and probably another price drop so I don't think PS4 will see much of a drop-off from 2016 at all. I have no idea of actual numbers though as I make no attempts at prediction game.
Let's talk about Ars Technica some more. Remember this gem?
Polygon should hire this guy.
I'm not even touching predictions. Not until VR hits the market and NX reveal at least. Who knows how those will impact sales.
slavesnyder
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GameSpot reports that a reporter on ZDnet heard from sources that ...
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GameSpot reports that a reporter on ZDnet heard from sources that new stat gathering for Windows 10 revealed that 18m Xbox One consoles are active.
So, now gaming journalism is equivalent to hair-salon gossip: "My aunt has a friend whose dentist's assistant overheard that Jill is having an affair with a friend of my uncle!"