Tivor Tontomo
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I guess it depends on where germany, france, and spain are currently at. Is XO down yoy in eu?
Xbox One at 18 million (activated units)
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I guess it depends on where germany, france, and spain are currently at. Is XO down yoy in eu?
El-Pistolero
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We would if we had said numbers...but we don't...
Tivor Tontomo
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question, are the 11 mill wii u's shipped or sold?
But we do....just last week Microsoft said the xb1 had sold more than the 360 at this point in its life. Therefore they've sold at least 17 million. It's pretty obvious the quotes about 18 are real...
ethomaz
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How many units did you think Xbone sell in these countries per year?
You can be sure it is less than 200k.
Down or up won't make difference because these 3 countries won't reach 1m combined and these are the big ones.
Tivor Tontomo
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Well im not think yearly Im thinking LTD.
Outside Canada, those 3 are the biggest other countries we havent covered. Granted, we dont have much outside 2k14 info for those countries. but if they are not eve a million combined as you implied, than where did the other 5 million of the 18 million come from if we assume that the UK and US put together is 13 million.
I mean. those would have to be the coutnries to make up that difference. Somethings not right here. Another poster said MS said its sold more than the 36o at this point in its life as well. Which would be at least 17 million. So even if we dropped it to that, where is the other 4 million come from.
Maybe those countries outside the U.S. and UK are a bit more than people are thinking.
Of course the other extreme would be MS is lying.
ethomaz
Banned
MS is not lying.
The 18m is a rumor from somebody that told somebody that told somebody... you can go on.
There is no concrete data yet and Germany numbers are for May 2015.
To be fair I believe these 18m come from big percent round over round.
Tivor Tontomo
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What about the above user who said MS stated they sold more than the 36o by this point. if hes right the Xbox one would have to be above 17 million wouldnt it, or is that incorrect.
ethomaz
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> 17.7m shipped.
The rumor is 18m minimum sold if true that puts shipment over 20m... way over.
foolishoptimist
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I think there's still quite a few juniors in this thread whose accounts haven't been activated yet.
No. Especially since US+UK is likely not "around 14 million".
Tivor Tontomo
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You dont think Xbox One hit 11 in the u.s. then sure. Well find out during the gop debate on thursday the December numbers.
Definitely 11M or a bit over in the US. But surely not 3M-ish in the UK.
And everything else is peanuts.
Tivor Tontomo
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Where are you getting 3 million from.
Over 2 million for the UK, and over 11 million for the U.S. is *around* 14 million. Itll likely at minimum be 13.5 or more.
BTW do we have anything for canada, I keep forgetting about that country.
El-Pistolero
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In terms of shipped or sold to customers? Even if it is the latter (apples to apples comparison, because Microsoft have developed a tendency to over-stuff their channels), it still gives no indication on what the upper limit is...They could have beaten the 360 by a mere 100 Thousands, let's say, which would be nothing to write home about.
Because realistically it will be around 11.2M in the US. If you want to extrapolate to 14M US+UK that would mean 2.8M in the UK (hence the 3M-ish). That's way off. Unless you're doing some fancy rounding up.
Nothing for Canada expect PS4+XB1 = 2x PS3+360 launch aligned some time ago.
No, they said "it's doing better than the 360 at the same point in time". Which doesn't mean old through necessarily. They could just be talking about shipments, which would mean >17.7M
Night Angel
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11.5 rounds to 12, 2.5 rounds to 3, so I'm pretty damn sure it's around 15M in US and UK. 4.5 ROTW rounds to 5, so I think 20M is pretty much a lock in the same way that rounding surely didn't factor in to the 18M number in the article.
Shit, I forgot Canada. That's probably like 3M right there, plus another 2 for New Zealand. 25M is actually where I'd peg it. 2:1 people looking real foolish rn.
Conscience Falls
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The worst thing in this thread is the blatant disregard for those that stand on guard for thee.
joecanada
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There's not likely really going to be that big of a difference in overall % from USA. We have about 10% of population, probably sell about 10 % of the consoles and the buying habits are probably within 5-10% of the USA. You multiply those percentage together and Noone is pulling a major coup by selling more here.
Assuming it's about 10 percent of USA is pretty fair I'd think except lately our economy has taken a beating and sales have been shitty so if anything probably not lighting the world on fire. Those 79.99 games aren't exciting me thats for sure
chromatic9
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Hope its a joke post but just in case, New Zealand has a population of 4.4 million. Half the population aren't buying an Xbox One, not anywhere close and its a incredibly small market for video games. Countries like this are in the thousands.
So, Xbone sold at the same pace as PS4 or outsold it in UK in 2015, right?
spatenfloot
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You shouldn't do things like this, You know people will think it is true and run with it. Besides, 25 rounds up to 30.
TBiddy
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How is outselling the 360 not a big deal?
travisbickle
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Because launch aligned, the PS3 outsells the 360.
Historically, the 360 and PS3 are in the "not as bad as the Gamecube or late Sega console" category, the achievement for being in that category is not being a failure.
You couldn't get any similar if you tried. In addition, both consoles are practically the same when offline.
ethomaz
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Because 360 had really slow sales helped by the year head start...
Even PS3 sold at way fast pace.
It is likely Xbone is selling below PS3 considered a failure until 2009... that put the things in perspectives.
TBiddy
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I know it did. But how much did the 360 end up selling? Just north of 80 million? XB1 will probably not sell as much, but if it ends up selling 50+ million consoles, I'd argue that's pretty good.
Chobel
Member
Really? XBO crowd is mainly US, unlike PS4 where Europe and Asia make a big part of its userbase.
Plus that "90% are online" was in early 2014, around launch.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
How many PS4 users own a Xbox1? I read on here in other threads that a lot of people own both consoles and don't use the X1 unless its an exclusive, now would that effect the overall number of consoles active between the dates if that's what a lot of people do
one thing that should be noted is the X1 is selling realy well just not as well as the Ps4 its that simple realy
one thing that should be noted is the X1 is selling realy well just not as well as the Ps4 its that simple realy
ethomaz
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I'm sure most people left the Xbone on stand by... that means they are using it every day.
slavesnyder
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I own both consoles is more of a rhetorical trick to make your rant against one console seem more balanced.
At this pace at +50 mil in the end....., big NO!
Anyway ( not referring to him ).
If X360 is outshipped by Xbone at the same point ( that means >17.7 ), it's impossible for Xbone to be sold-trough at 20 mil. Xbone doesn't have such a good shipped/sold-trough ratio like PS4 ( for example 2015 Q2 29.3 mil. shipped ( end of the October ), sold-trough 30.2 mil. end of the November )
One thing that should be noted is that the XB1 is only selling "well" in NA/UK and abysmal everywhere else.
TBiddy
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The latter doesn't have any relevance for my post, so direct at someone who cares, please.
Of course 50 million is doable. Why wouldn't it be? In a few years time, the XB1 and PS4 will both cost around 199$ - well within impulse purchase territory.
What's the relevance?
Indeed - and my point was that at least 17 million is still a great figure.
Like someone else said above - the PS4 is selling bucket loads and congrats to Sony for that. But also congrats to Xbox for selling well too...
BrokenIcarus
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So after over 20 pages, what's the consensus? What're the numbers? 18 million shipped? sold?
Ooops, sorry! I really had no intention to refer it to you. Will edit.
TBiddy
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I think it depends on who you ask. On one hand you have the camp that denies the 18 million number, since it "doesn't make sense, based on their predictions and calculations about the sales in US, UK and RoTW". To them, it's clearly shipped.
On the other hand, you have the camp that accepts it, since it kinda matches the "selling faster than the 360 statement" from MS. To them, it's clearly sold.
What it really is, we will probably never know, so believe whatever you want to.
No worries - and apologies if the post above sounded a bit harsh. It wasn't meant that way.
Shhh no numbers, only MAU.
To be fair, maybe NPD on Thursday might help us get closer to the actual numbers since we will have full NA install base figures.
Thats not really how this Thread played out.
Most predictions had Xbone at 18+ Million shipped, noone is really arguing otherwise. What gets most here riled up are the 20 million plus sold through Fact-Statements.
What we have is a nice round number from a bigger nice round number from an Analyst who heard it secondhand from someone who said it is "around 18 million"
200 Million is a nice round number.
90% Windows devices out of 200 Million is a nice round number.
90% of 90% of 200 Million is a nice round number.
Which gets us at 18 Million activated Xbones.
So maybe now some understand how some are questioning the nice round numbers and there implications of "surely there are MILLIONS of activated Xbones out there".
Bitch Pudding
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So, 36,1M rounds to 50M, hence were looking at a global 2:1 ratio.
What? I only followed ecactly your line of thinking here. Now my brain hurts.
TBiddy
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That's how I understood it. There have been several people not believing the 18 million number.
I stand by my write-up and the conclusion. There are no concrete numbers and all we have to go on is the "selling better than the 360", the rumour from Mary Foley and then the RoTW-predictions from several Gaffers.
Who you believe the most and how you interpret the numbers and posts is entirely up to you.
I think you missed the joke, to be honest.
You left out the camp that that take it as being over 20 million sold because they estimated that it was 18 million activated.
You know I did say estimation right? We've got nothing else to use, its an estimation, like every single other post in this thread. Even the OP.
As you know, if this number is true, there's going to be a certain percentile of people which didn't get included in the number. In this case, the best data to use is the 90% Sony figure.
TBiddy
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Yes, I wanted to add them, but I ran out of hands.
The best numbers to use is the numbers that we have. we only know that it's doing better than Xbox 360. the 18 million activated isn't official but likely a estimation of all the Xbox Ones on the market.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
no rant intended was genuine question as it seems to pop up a lot in other threads with a lot of people saying they own both
*Without the ones which weren't online that month