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[MHWilliams]

Ernh.

I want nothing to do with Hillary. I will not be voting for her. Telling you this out front can influence you to vote for the more electable person, Bernie. And give you warning that you as a supporter of Clinton will have a harder time getting her elected. Are you willing to put in the work for Hillary? Probably not. She will most likely lose the General should she get there if she's not up against Trump.

Supreme Court? Great, we've had a conservative Supreme Court for the past 40 years(if not longer) Let's ride it out another 40. Not my fault. Either we are serious about the problems facing this country today(Bernie)...or we are not(everyone else). I vote in all elections(even the local stuff when it's the only crap on the ballot). I have no problem leaving President blank or voting 3rd party. Given the choice between two conservatives...I choose neither.

Already said in the post you quoted that I'm not a Hillary supporter.

What you've outlined is still pretty much a hostage situation. "Give me what I want, or everybody goes."

Again, Bernie is a fine guy and I'd prefer him in office. His supporters seem to be full of reckless idealism though.

 

[Epsilon-delta]

So we ignoring Bernie's vote or what?

And yet Hillary campaigned for the Violent Crime Bill as well.

Whoops

“We will be able to say, loudly and clearly, that for repeat, violent, criminal offenders — three strikes and you’re out. We are tired of putting you back in through the revolving door,” remarked the then-first lady.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczy...y-clinton-in-1994-talking-up-tough#.aaK8dzyAX

http://clinton4.nara.gov/media/text...he-ninth-annual-women-in-policing-awards.text

 

[HylianTom]

Always with the smart posts, eh?

I know, I know..

Ernh.

I want nothing to do with Hillary. I will not be voting for her. Telling you this out front can influence you to vote for the more electable person, Bernie. And give you warning that you as a supporter of Clinton will have a harder time getting her elected. Are you willing to put in the work for Hillary? Probably not. She will most likely lose the General should she get there if she's not up against Trump.

Supreme Court? Great, we've had a conservative Supreme Court for the past 40 years(if not longer) Let's ride it out another 40. Not my fault. Either we are serious about the problems facing this country today(Bernie)...or we are not(everyone else). I vote in all elections(even the local stuff when it's the only crap on the ballot). I have no problem leaving President blank or voting 3rd party. Given the choice between two conservatives...I choose neither.

This is one of those posts that I let speak for itself. Thanks.

 

[UltimaPooh]

I'm well aware of the difference between Bernie and Bernie's more...vocal supporters. The problem is, my perception of both is relatively easy to justify. I've been involved in politics since I was 9. I've made more phone calls for candidates who I knew were going to lose than I can count. I've knocked on doors. I've ridden with people to the polls. I know this shit plays out.

The audacity that a person would attempt to win supporters by holding us hostage to their whims is politically ridiculous. That is not how you win supporters. A campaign's advocates are part of the campaign. They help formulate the perception of the candidate. It is that simple. One of the first things they drilled into our heads when we knocked on doors for Obama was "You are the campaign." Doesn't matter if you're a volunteer. Whatever you do reflects on the campaign.

I would argue the reason anyone posts about a candidate is because they want to win support for their preferred horse. So far, some (some not all) Bernie supporters have taken to throwing everyone under the bus who isn't feeling the Bern. Sherrod Brown was Bernie's best friend, a liberal stalwart in the Senate. A potential running mate. Now? He endorsed Hillary, he's thrown under the bus. Planned Parenthood is now sexist because it endorsed Hillary. The only good unions are the ones that endorsed Bernie. The DNC is bad because it didn't do whatever it is that it was supposed to do to cater to Bernie's whims.

And now we've reached the "Do what I want or I'll hold my breath until I get my way" level of political discourse. If these weren't real people's lives in the balance it would be funny. The idea that 40 years of the Supreme Court, coupled with a GOP House, Senate and Presidency wouldn't be the end of any liberal or progressive movement is just absolutely so disconnected from reality that I'm legitimately surprised it was even said non-ironically.

As someone who, without the Supreme Court, would still be a 2nd class citizen, unable to get health insurance and unable to reclaim my life? Naw. I don't have to disconnect anything.

If you want to be intellectually honest you should be able to disconnect the supporters from the candidate themselves. This is more of an across the board argument and not really a Bernie vs Hilary kind of thing in my mind.

Certainly I agree with you... the way some Bernie supporters handle themselves in discussions about Bernie vs Hilary is really poor... it's more about the ideology of socialism than working towards socialism to them. It's also going against actually listening to the people and what they want which is what Bernie wants...

 

[giga]

Ernh.

I want nothing to do with Hillary. I will not be voting for her. Telling you this out front can influence you to vote for the more electable person, Bernie. And give you warning that you as a supporter of Clinton will have a harder time getting her elected. Are you willing to put in the work for Hillary? Probably not. She will most likely lose the General should she get there if she's not up against Trump.

Supreme Court? Great, we've had a conservative Supreme Court for the past 40 years(if not longer) Let's ride it out another 40. Not my fault. Either we are serious about the problems facing this country today(Bernie)...or we are not(everyone else). I vote in all elections(even the local stuff when it's the only crap on the ballot). I have no problem leaving President blank or voting 3rd party. Given the choice between two conservatives...I choose neither.

Amazing.

 

[aTTckr]

This thread once more shows that Sanders is more or less the left-wing version of Trump. Since the two are selling similar snake oil to their supporters, it shouldn't be too surprising that their supporters make similar ridiculous statements.

 

[Kangi]

We barely won a major LGBT victory in the courts as it is and we still have a long way to go, and we have posters here going 'if Bernie doesn't win, I don't care what happens, because the consequences don't directly affect me"

Willing to drive us and our rights straight into a cliff if it means they can stick a "Bernie 2020" stamp to our corpses' foreheads.

Guess I'd be feeling the Bern then.

 

[demon]

Honestly, I still contend that many of Bernie's supporters are his worst enemy. This "burn the house down, since I may not get what I want" mentality is frightening. For many minorities, the sentiment of "I won't vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination" or "I hope Trump wins instead" amounts to a grand "screw you", given some of the statements and policies of the Republican candidates, including Trump.

Would it be great for Bernie to take the presidency? Sure. Am I particularly excited about Hillary as president? Nah. But I acknowledge that she's probably the best I got.

Flashback to 2008. If Obama hadn't won the nomination - which is what I wanted - I would've still voted for Hillary, because voting is a responsibility I take seriously and Romney post-primary wasn't going to fly for me. (Pre-Primary Romney was actually pretty good.)

I wouldn't have torched the entire thing over my ideal being lost. That's a child's understanding of a resolution. Hell, I hate O'Malley because he royally fucked Baltimore during his time here, but he's still better than Trump's policies. If somehow he rose to the top, I'd grit my teeth and vote for him.

Because after "who will fix the stuff I personally care about?", my next thought is "who do I think will benefit the most people?" Is that probably Bernie, sure. But if Bernie doesn't clench it, then Hillary is the next answer to that second question.

When you're supporting an underdog running against an establishment candidate, this is the kind of attitude that may be necessary to have your candidate be taken seriously.

Besides, people are fed up with untrustworthy candidates in the pocket of corporate America who have an entitlement complex towards winning the Presidency. This "how dare you support Sanders and not Hillary" rhetoric can fuck the hell off.

 

[rjinaz]

This thread once more shows that Sanders is more or less the left-wing version of Trump. Since the two are selling similar snake oil to their supporters, it shouldn't be too surprising that their supporters make similar ridiculous statements.

Hey they're are plenty of reasonable Sander's supporters like myself thank you very much. It's sad to see some of the more racist and asinine things some Bernie supporters say or do. But let's not get crazy, Sanders would actually try to make this country better for everyone, Trump will do his best to make sure this country is better, for HIM.

 

[gutter_trash]

This thread once more shows that Sanders is more or less the left-wing version of Trump. Since the two are selling similar snake oil to their supporters, it shouldn't be too surprising that their supporters make similar ridiculous statements.

Nah man, Bernie at least is conveying a positive message with the intent to help people.

Bernie would be the best President out of all the candidates but he can't win under a right wing nation.

Hillary is the best equipped at beating any Republican. Realistically.

But Bernie is the better human being

 

[ivysaur12]

Ernh.

I want nothing to do with Hillary. I will not be voting for her. Telling you this out front can influence you to vote for the more electable person, Bernie. And give you warning that you as a supporter of Clinton will have a harder time getting her elected. Are you willing to put in the work for Hillary? Probably not. She will most likely lose the General should she get there if she's not up against Trump.

Supreme Court? Great, we've had a conservative Supreme Court for the past 40 years(if not longer) Let's ride it out another 40. Not my fault. Either we are serious about the problems facing this country today(Bernie)...or we are not(everyone else). I vote in all elections(even the local stuff when it's the only crap on the ballot). I have no problem leaving President blank or voting 3rd party. Given the choice between two conservatives...I choose neither.

It must be nice.

 

[hodgy100]

She's fake as fuck. At least you know what you're getting with Trump

supporting racism. niiiice

 

[ErasureAcer]

And what's fantastic is, alongside that, being told by people how I as a gay person should vote for Bernie, based on their very limited understanding of LGBT rights. And then if Bernie doesn't win the primary, they'll work to help undo the past several years of LGBT rights. If that's not being held hostage, I don't know what is.

Broad strokes. Looks like I'm in a kindergarten class. No attention to detail. Bernie has been working for GLBT rights his entire life and he'll continue that for as long as he shall live. Keep living in whatever fantasy world you're in. I don't know any Bernie supporters trying to work against the GLBT movement for equality. I do know Hillary Clinton not too long ago was trying to do that though.

 

[MHWilliams]

This "how dare you support Sanders and not Hillary" rhetoric can fuck the hell off.

That's not a "how dare you". That's minorities and LGBT telling you that in no uncertain words:

"Hey, deciding not to vote or voting Republican if Sanders doesn't clench the nomination means you have shown you do not care about the strides we've made or the trials and tribulations we still face."

 

[CyclopsRock]

I might just be a dumb British rube, but is it possible that the reason Bernie's having trouble with minorities - or, rather, why his support is basically just middle class white people - is because they can afford to not have a Democrat win? They can afford to back a nominee that is far less likely to win in a general election because a project being defunded actually doesn't impact their life, practically? Or, to put it another way, the pursuit of purity and a means to keep their conscience clean is more important to them than the actual repercussions of having a not-perfect Democrat in the White House vs a Republican, because they'll basically be fine whoever gets elected?

 

[ivysaur12]

Broad strokes. Looks like I'm in a kindergarten class. No attention to detail. Bernie has been working for GLBT rights his entire life and he'll continue that for as long as he shall live. Keep living in whatever fantasy world you're in. I don't know any Bernie supporters trying to work against the GLBT movement for equality. I do know Hillary Clinton not too long ago was trying to do that though.

Oh man, this is such a gross twist of the poster's point and both candidate's rather complicated records with LGBT rights that it's sort of laughable.

 

[Kangi]

Keep living in whatever fantasy world you're in. I don't know any Bernie supporters trying to work against the GLBT movement for equality.

Supreme Court? Great, we've had a conservative Supreme Court for the past 40 years(if not longer) Let's ride it out another 40. Not my fault.

Yep, none of that in here.

People like you I find more dangerous to me and my well-being than any conservative. Because people like you are delusional enough to think you're doing it for my benefit.

 

[Goodstyle]

It's fitting that Bernie will be defeated by Reddit's 2 greatest enemies.

 

[ivysaur12]

It's fitting that Bernie will be defeated by Reddit's 2 greatest enemies.

Oh boy, should I laugh at this? I laughed at this.

 

[Zornack]

This thread once more shows that Sanders is more or less the left-wing version of Trump. Since the two are selling similar snake oil to their supporters, it shouldn't be too surprising that their supporters make similar ridiculous statements.

I am being convinced of this more and more. Both are making unrealistic promises which would never come to fruition if they were elected, both use boogeyman to rile up anger (Muslims and minorities, millionaires and billionaires) and both have extremely caustic bases.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

They made that pretty clear when they made shit like this:

Some of his white "liberal" supporters showed their true colors when those uppity Negroes "attacked" their savior.
I hope Sanders wins but I hate some of these "liberal" supporters. His stans are the worst.

"How could those black people attack Bernie?"

"They should be so happy to vote in a candidate like him, why are they attacking him? How stupid are they, they don't even know their own interests!"

This is the attitude of a lot of supporters I've talked to, let alone seen online (and on GAF)

 

[rjinaz]

I'll never understand a Bernie supporter that won't vote for Clinton if Sanders doesn't get the nod. Sanders himself wouldn't understand you either. The dude recognizes the harm having anybody running on the Right would do for this country and for the progress it is making, slow as it may be, it is progress damn it.

 

[MHWilliams]

I might just be a dumb British rube, but is it possible that the reason Bernie's having trouble with minorities - or, rather, why his support is basically just middle class white people - is because they can afford to not have a Democrat win? They can afford to back a nominee that is far less likely to win in a general election because a project being defunded actually doesn't impact their life, practically? Or, to put it another way, the pursuit of purity and a means to keep their conscience clean is more important to them than the actual repercussions of having a not-perfect Democrat in the White House vs a Republican, because they'll basically be fine whoever gets elected?

Yes, this is what many of us are saying. "Bernie or else" isn't a position that leaves room for many others.

Once again, would like Bernie to win. But in his absence, I'll still vote to whoever will offer the best overall situation for those like me. I'm a minority. I have many LGBT friends. Is Hillary better than Bernie? Nah. But if she has the nomination, I'll vote for Hillary.

 

[Quixzlizx]

The poll is heavily skewed towards a different demographic than what will show up in the primary season. Unless you are telling me his support with the younger demographic won't show up at the polls, Hillary has always had a pretty big margin among 50+ y/o's and this poll seems to have at the very least 60% of this particular demographic.

If we know anything about the American voting public, it's that young people go out to vote in droves while all of the old people stay home and play canasta.

 

[giga]

Broad strokes. Looks like I'm in a kindergarten class. No attention to detail. Bernie has been working for GLBT rights his entire life and he'll continue that for as long as he shall live. Keep living in whatever fantasy world you're in. I don't know any Bernie supporters trying to work against the GLBT movement for equality. I do know Hillary Clinton not too long ago was trying to do that though.

You literally just said you don't care about the Supreme Court if Bernie isn't nominated. This is actively working against the LGBT community.

I can't wait to see the Reddit implosion when Bernie endorses Hillary.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

They made that pretty clear when they made shit like this:

Some of his white "liberal" supporters showed their true colors when those uppity Negroes "attacked" their savior.
I hope Sanders wins but I hate some of these "liberal" supporters. His stans are the worst.

The life of a minority progressive is a continuous series of being let down by your white counterparts.

That's honestly your fault for not divorcing the followers from the candidate.

Not that I agree with his/her view of electing Bernie.

We seem to have no problem condemning Trump for the behaviour and rhetoric of his supporters.

Spoiler

I realize Trump encourages his supporters' actions, but the double standard still stands out to me

.

 

[UltimaPooh]

We seem to have no problem condemning Trump for the behaviour and rhetoric of his supporters.

Spoiler

I realize Trump encourages his supporters' actions, but the double standard still stands out to me

.

Then it's not a double standard. Because Bernie doesn't say all of the bat shit crazy stuff Trump does... nor does he support his supporters in being assholes.

 

[BoboBrazil]

If we know anything about the American voting public, it's that young people go out to vote in droves while all of the old people stay home and play canasta.

Lol exactly. All these people shouting for Bernie won't actually go out and vote. Voting is huge among the retired crowd for a multitude of reasons and polls have shown over and over again that Hilary is the best choice to continue a Democratic ran White House. She gives off a presidential aura in how she acts and presents herself and I just don't see the same from Bernie.

 

[rjinaz]

Lol exactly. All these people shouting for Bernie won't actually go out and vote. Voting is huge among the retired crowd for a multitude of reasons and polls have shown over and over again that Hilary is the best choice to continue a Democratic ran White House. She gives off a presidential aura in how she acts and presents herself and I just don't see the same from Bernie.

I expect a higher young voters turnout this election. I think this election has taught us that many people are getting tired of the establishment. You have a lot more people watching these debates than is normal, Trump or not. People are tuning in. People are taking an interest. Not saying it will be enough for a Sander's win or anything, but I do think young folks will be more inclined to get out there this time.

 

[ErasureAcer]

Hillary is the best equipped at beating any Republican. Realistically.

But she's not.

Bernie continues to do better than Clinton against Trump and the Republican field.

Hillary having more rich friends than Bernie is not an asset. How else is she more likely to take on the Republican nominee? Republicans hate her. Independents hate her. Progressives hate her. She will not win. Her only hope is Trump(and the polls back that up) the bully. Everyone hates a bully. That's why a lot of progressives hate Hillary...she's a bully who doesn't listen to the American people. That's why she flip flops...only when it's beneficial to her does she come around....not a moment sooner.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Supreme Court? Great, we've had a conservative Supreme Court for the past 40 years(if not longer)

What the fuck is this shit?!

 

[Slayven]

What the fuck is this shit?!

Privilege

 

[Crimson_Gold]

What the fuck is this shit?!

An F U from an ally. Do what I say or else.

 

[ivysaur12]

What the fuck is this shit?!

Not having any real consequences attached to an election. Must be nice.

 

[AlteredBeast]

I threw my vote away last election and am prepared to do it again with no Bern on the platform.

That said, I am in one of the reddest areas of my state, so it won't matter, anyway.

 

[rokkerkory]

Hillary or Bernie is better than any of the clusterfuck of Republicans

 

[Indicate]

Lol exactly. All these people shouting for Bernie won't actually go out and vote. Voting is huge among the retired crowd for a multitude of reasons and polls have shown over and over again that Hilary is the best choice to continue a Democratic ran White House. She gives off a presidential aura in how she acts and presents herself and I just don't see the same from Bernie.

This is ridiculous and pure nonsense. Bernie calls for a political revolution therefore his supporters that are able to vote will vote.

 

[Quixzlizx]

Privilege

To be fair, SCOTUS only chopped pieces out of the VRA because racism is over.

 

[ErasureAcer]

You literally just said you don't care about the Supreme Court if Bernie isn't nominated. This is actively working against the LGBT community.

I can't wait to see the Reddit implosion when Bernie endorses Hillary.

If Hillary does win the nomination. I have no doubt Bernie will support her. Doesn't mean I have to...nor any other Bernie supporter. Implosion? I already except it to happen should that be the scenario. I'll keep on loving Bernie and hating Hillary.

Yeah, the Supreme Court is huge. More GLBT topics will be heading there in years to come. Will President Trump be putting homophobes on the bench? I dunno. All I know is out of Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton only one has actively worked against the GLBT community. You know which one it is...so do I. She won't have my vote. How many GLBT members suffered from Hillary's stances? Think about them when you fill in the oval for Hillary.

If you want to wash away Hillary's sins...I think you've found your higher calling in life. That is not my calling.

Fun fact: My mother is a lesbian. She despises Hillary and is voting Bernie in the nomination fight.

 

[Stinkles]

This thread once more shows that Sanders is more or less the left-wing version of Trump. Since the two are selling similar snake oil to their supporters, it shouldn't be too surprising that their supporters make similar ridiculous statements.

Bernie is 80% honest.

 

[Kinvara]

Supreme Court? Great, we've had a conservative Supreme Court for the past 40 years(if not longer) Let's ride it out another 40. Not my fault. Either we are serious about the problems facing this country today(Bernie)...or we are not(everyone else). I vote in all elections(even the local stuff when it's the only crap on the ballot). I have no problem leaving President blank or voting 3rd party. Given the choice between two conservatives...I choose neither.

This is bullshit.

I also support Bernie but sitting out of the election because he won't win in the primary is a great way to get a Republican in the White House that will destroy all the progress we've made and move us backwards.

For you, it might not make a difference but there a lot of vulnerable people out there whose rights are being continually undermined by Republican politicians.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

This thread once more shows that Sanders is more or less the left-wing version of Ron Paul.

Fixed for you.

 

[jmood88]

They made that pretty clear when they made shit like this:

Some of his white "liberal" supporters showed their true colors when those uppity Negroes "attacked" their savior.
I hope Sanders wins but I hate some of these "liberal" supporters. His stans are the worst.

All I can do is laugh. That picture is ridiculous.

 

[Replicant]

As someone who has no goat in this race, since I'm not a citizen of the US, I don't see why anyone in their right mind will vote for Bernie. Some of the things that he said have been downright insane. I mean..... I know you guys seem to like your crazy candidates but I thought that when the real election happens, you actually will vote for non-insane candidates.

But I guess I was wrong?

 

[ivysaur12]

If Hillary does win the nomination. I have no doubt Bernie will support her. Doesn't mean I have to...nor any other Bernie supporter. Implosion? I already except it to happen should that be the scenario. I'll keep on loving Bernie and hating Hillary.

Yeah, the Supreme Court is huge. More GLBT topics will be heading there in years to come. Will President Trump be putting homophobes on the bench? I dunno. All I know is out of Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton only one has actively worked against the GLBT community. You know which one it is...so do I. She won't have my vote. How many GLBT members suffered from Hillary's stances? Think about them when you fill in the oval for Hillary.

If you want to wash away Hillary's sins...I think you've found your higher calling in life. That is not my calling.

Fun fact: My mother is a lesbian. She despises Hillary and is voting Bernie in the nomination fight.

This is not to take away from Hillary's complicated support on gay rights, but it's insane to ignore Bernie's similarly complicated record on gay rights.

And how many LGBT people have suffered because of Hillary? You mean the person who made it her mission as Secretary of State to promote LGBT rights abroad? Hmm. Let me think about that.

 

[Htown]

Supreme Court? Great, we've had a conservative Supreme Court for the past 40 years(if not longer) Let's ride it out another 40.

Look at this buffoonery.

 

[ErasureAcer]

This is bullshit.

I also support Bernie but sitting out of the election because he won't win in the primary is a great way to get a Republican in the White House that will destroy all the progress we've made and move us backwards.

For you, it might not make a difference but there a lot of vulnerable people out there whose rights are being continually undermined by Republican politicians.

Did you vote in 2014? Well shit...you sitting out(I voted) was a great way to set the country back. I'll be at the polls in November. I'm not voting for Hillary though. I didn't vote Obama 2008(he won without my vote)...Hillary can do it too.

 

[User 463088]

If you want to be intellectually honest you should be able to disconnect the supporters from the candidate themselves. This is more of an across the board argument and not really a Bernie vs Hilary kind of thing in my mind.

Certainly I agree with you... the way some Bernie supporters handle themselves in discussions about Bernie vs Hilary is really poor... it's more about the ideology of socialism than working towards socialism to them. It's also going against actually listening to the people and what they want which is what Bernie wants...

I think we're having two different conversations here.

My reasons for not supporting Bernie have little to do with his more vocal supporters. There are plenty of Bernie supporters I get along quite well with. We agree on the big picture, we just disagree on how to fill in the details. That's normal and productive.

What I'm taking exception to is this idea that some of Bernie's more vocal supporters are doing him any favors. They are not. They are making themselves and, by extension, their candidate look ridiculous. There are issues surrounding Bernie's dedication to the Democratic Party. It's why he has no support within it whatsoever. So, when his supporters say something that reinforces what most of us already believe about the candidate, then it cements opinions against him.

That's what I'm taking issue with. People can do whatever they want with their vote. That's the beauty of it. But to even entertain the idea of "Do what I say or the puppy gets it" will help make your candidate more appealing...that's what ticks me off.

 

[kitschykitty]

If Hillary does win the nomination. I have no doubt Bernie will support her. Doesn't mean I have to...nor any other Bernie supporter. Implosion? I already except it to happen should that be the scenario. I'll keep on loving Bernie and hating Hillary.

Yeah, the Supreme Court is huge. More GLBT topics will be heading there in years to come. Will President Trump be putting homophobes on the bench? I dunno. All I know is out of Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton only one has actively worked against the GLBT community. You know which one it is...so do I. She won't have my vote. How many GLBT members suffered from Hillary's stances? Think about them when you fill in the oval for Hillary.

If you want to wash away Hillary's sins...I think you've found your higher calling in life. That is not my calling.

Fun fact: My mother is a lesbian. She despises Hillary and is voting Bernie in the nomination fight.

So you'd rather your mother potentially lose some of her rights due to her sexuality than have Hilary (who you're right, she has changed with the times to be supportive of LGBT people) win.

ok...

 

[UltimaPooh]

As someone who has no goat in this race, since I'm not a citizen of the US, I don't see why anyone in their right mind will vote for Bernie. Some of the things that he said have been downright insane. I mean..... I know you guys seem to like your crazy candidates but I thought that when the real election happens, you actually will vote for non-insane candidates.

But I guess I was wrong?

What?