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[Aesius]

Fuck I want you to be wrong so bad but I don't think you are at all, and it really breaks my heart to look at the world my daughter is inheriting.

Fun fact: My daughter has a friend group of 8 kids. Of the 8, her and a friend are the only straight girls in the whole bunch, the other 6 are various shades of lgbtq-whatever else. I'm not saying this as a homophobic thing mind you, a lot of these kids are at my house all the time and I treat them as family and let them eat all my goddamn yogurt snacks and my wife cooks tofu, steak, burgers, what have you for em all the time, they're good kids, seriously. With all that being said, it doesn't really matter how good they are, that's not the point.....if three quarters of a small friend group in central Maine are gay, what does that say for other demographics across the country? What does that say for the future of the human race?

Something has infected the minds of our children, and I'm doing everything in my power to keep it from happening to my little girl, who is my entire world. Fortunately, she's too damn smart to be taken in by trends and agendas, as she just laughs at it all, but I shudder to think of what this country is going to look like from a population standpoint in about forty years. This is so much more of an issue than people realize.

I will repeat for effect:

This is a MASSIVE issue for the future world population, and absolutely NOTHING is being done to address it. I'm not intelligent enough to figure out how to solve the problem, but I'm smart enough to see the writing on the wall, and it is not good at all lads.

Alright then, enough doom forecasting from me, there's enough of that going around these days anyway. Sorry for getting into the weeds there fellas -_-, I just worry about things sometimes, and I spend far too much time worrying about what the world will be like for my daughter when I'm not here anymore.

I don't know.

A family just moved out of our cul-de-sac. Their 11-year-old daughter and 5-year-old son were playing with my boys who are 4 and 2. At one point the daughter told my wife and I that she's "pansexual."

 

[lughnasadh123]

It's going to be highly dependent on each individual, their personality traits, upbringing, etc. I know a LOT of friends and family that just won't ever fare well in a long term committed relationship while others thrive in it. This thinking that "this one way is the only way" is when problems happen where people need to force themselves to conform into what is good for others but not themselves.

 

[ProtoByte]

Once you leave the usa out of the data it's very different. divorce rate globally is dramatically lower because European countries and middle eastern countries value marriage far more.

Eastern European countries, yes. Obviously it's way more theocratic in the Middle East, but you can credit more strict religious doctrine and the social pressures that come out of it of these regions for most of the difference.

Even then, the divorce rates outside of the most orthodox countries are very similar to the US or a lot higher than you think they would be.

It was all about money as per usual, feminism was used to double the workers because the rich wanted to keep wages stagnated and impede labor rights through job market saturation.

This has never made sense to me. One, real wages are up compared to pre-workforce feminization. Two, even if the workforce doubled and kept wages totally stagnant (again, not what happened), employers would still be spending double the total sum of payroll for practically the exact same increase in output. Depending on who you speak to, and especially when speaking to people against workplace feminization, you wouldn't even get double the output. Profit margins stay exactly the same. What's the real upside?

 

[Sonik]

This has never made sense to me. One, real wages are up compared to pre-workforce feminization.

You have no idea what you're talking about, as Uknown mentioned purchasing power which is the actual standard for an economy's median income has nosedived, house ownership has practically become impossible for the median Gen Z worker

employers would still be spending double the total sum of payroll for practically the exact same increase in output.

Employers would and did force workers to compete with each other in a saturated job market so wages stagnated as prices skyrocketed. They didn't really double their employees, they just increased unemployment and combined with ridiculous new laws about what constitutes employment and unemployment they cooked the books to hide real unemployment numbers as they kept the workforce desperate. Also 2 desperate, obedient employees are always better than 1 that knows he has other jobs waiting for him

What's the real upside?

Cheap, obedient workers that constantly have to complete with each other in a oversaturated job market. There's a reason trades are still the best paid jobs despite the ruling class' attempts to oversaturate it with immigrants, there are no women there

 

[Mistake]

Maintaining intimate relationships with loved ones increases happiness, and by proxy, longevity. This is medically proven with many animals, and people are no exception. Not sure why we need a bunch of washed out journalists to tell us this.

my wife became her happiest after our first child was born, no doubt about it.

The quirks about her that I didnt like seemed to fade away over time. I dont want to sound like a caveman but I have always thought it is definitely an instinct thing. they are agitated and anxious until they find a lifemate and have children, then they realax.

Yeah it's quite true. Almost every woman I got along the most with were in a marriage or long stable relationship. Having a kid will certainly bring a person down to earth, at least most people...But before that there seems to always be a sort of tension between the sexes

 

[jason10mm]

That's a good point about wanting more workers. When central banks steal purchasing power from the common man, he must then work more—not to increase his wealth—but simply to replace the stolen purchasing power.

This was by deliberate design from those who are responsible(Banksters whom created our central bank), they even told each other that if people have to work harder to maintain the same living standards they won't have time to figure out what is happening to them.

But the standard of living is significantly higher now. The homes are larger, there are 2 cars in the garage, everyone has a phone+plan, there are TVs in every room, waaaaaay more shit in the house.

Go back to the 50's and look around. Only a FRACTION of "the stuff" we have today. So while I agree in principle that the "working man's" income has not kept up, there has been a significant "stuff inflation" to go along with currency inflation.

 

[Sonik]

But the standard of living is significantly higher now. The homes are larger, there are 2 cars in the garage, everyone has a phone+plan, there are TVs in every room, waaaaaay more shit in the house.

Go back to the 50's and look around. Only a FRACTION of "the stuff" we have today. So while I agree in principle that the "working man's" income has not kept up, there has been a significant "stuff inflation" to go along with currency inflation.

The standard of living is fucking awful now, people take loans to pay their bills, both parents have to work to barely make ends meet when back then one worker made enough for his family to have a comfortable life and people now certainly can't afford the homes you're talking about. What you're describing is technology advancing, TVs are in every room because they're made dirt cheap now in minutes with minimum worker involvement compared back when it took a crapload of time for workers to make a single one

 

[ProtoByte]

You have no idea what you're talking about, as Uknown mentioned purchasing power which is the actual standard for an economy's median income has nosedived, house ownership has practically become impossible for the median Gen Z worker

Neither you or Uknown are properly applying economic lingo. There is no such statistic known as "purchasing power". Purchasing power parity is a stat that compares standards between countries. Both real median income and that have increased, not stagnated.

As for Gen Z house problems... well, blame chronically low interest rates, Gen X and older millennials who want to make a profit on their properties. Also, lifestyle inflation - just with housing, the average size has more than doubled since prior to mass workforce feminization and the amenities are just on a different planet.

Employers would and did force workers to compete with each other in a saturated job market so wages stagnated as prices skyrocketed. They didn't really double their employees, they just increased unemployment and combined with ridiculous new laws about what constitutes employment and unemployment they cooked the books to hide real unemployment numbers as they kept the workforce desperate. Also 2 desperate, obedient employees are always better than 1 that knows he has other jobs waiting for him

You make this out like the number of employers and therefore jobs available haven't increased alongside the number of people in the workforce.

I know that things are bad right now, but was only 4 years ago that people were not going to work across the west because of stimulus checks and only 10 years ago when everything was really on the up and up in terms of getting jobs.

Cheap, obedient workers that constantly have to complete with each other in a oversaturated job market. There's a reason trades are still the best paid jobs despite the ruling class' attempts to oversaturate it with immigrants, there are no women there

Trades are relatively well paid because the vast majority of the labor market, men included (and I mean, 75-80+%) do not aim to work them combined with being societally necessary. Also assorted union and government contract stuff.

 

[Kacho]

The feeling some women must have when they reach a certain age and realize it's too late for them must be crushing.

I've been happily married for 13 years. It's hard work like anything in life but totally worth it, especially with kids. Can't imagine living alone the older I get.

 

[jason10mm]

The standard of living is fucking awful now, people take loans to pay their bills, both parents have to work to barely make ends meet when back then one worker made enough for his family to have a comfortable life and people now certainly can't afford the homes you're talking about. What you're describing is technology advancing, TVs are in every room because they're made dirt cheap now in minutes with minimum worker involvement compared back when it took a crapload of time for workers to make a single one

Eh, I think that is certainly a big part, but not the ONLY part. A lot more take out, dining out, order out, delivery, buying more stuff. Lifestyle inflation is a thing as well. Not to mention increased health care, increased kids activities, more access to education (at a price). Easy loans and credit cards has led to a lot of this.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Exactly.

Things should be as they should be. Don't try and change it. It never works.

That's right, that's why you should choose wisely. There are many, but there are also many divorces.

It must be that she loves you for who you are...

 

[Hugare]

You can look at it from the feminist angle, but I bet results wouldnt be much different with men

Living today by yourself is much harder than with a partner to share bills, rent and other responsibilities from adult life.

Not to mention that staying in touch with friends and family as you get older is harder, so its nice to have some company

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

I want the head or to know who were the first people who did this feminism thing.

 

[YCoCg]

Eh, I think that is certainly a big part, but not the ONLY part. A lot more take out, dining out, order out, delivery, buying more stuff. Lifestyle inflation is a thing as well. Not to mention increased health care, increased kids activities, more access to education (at a price). Easy loans and credit cards has led to a lot of this.

We're in the Second Gilded Age, great for profits, not so much for people.

 

[Sonik]

Neither you or Uknown are properly applying economic lingo. There is no such statistic known as "purchasing power". Purchasing power parity is a stat that compares standards between countries. Both real median income and that have increased, not stagnated.

As for Gen Z house problems... well, blame chronically low interest rates, Gen X and older millennials who want to make a profit on their properties. Also, lifestyle inflation - just with housing, the average size has more than doubled since prior to mass workforce feminization and the amenities are just on a different planet.

Purchasing power is a real term, you did 2 minutes of googling, found only results about PPP and now pretend to be an expert. Real median income when taking into account inflation, house prices and other factors has nosedived and it shows, people can barely afford life nowadays even in households with 2 incomes, stop trying to deny what's right in front of our eyes

Trades are relatively well paid because the vast majority of the labor market, men included (and I mean, 75-80+%) do not aim to work them combined with being societally necessary. Also assorted union and government contract stuff.

Government contracts exist in a SHITLOAD of jobs. Also, thanks for informing me that workers in jobs are aren't oversaturated organize better and more efficiently to avoid being exploited

 

[Unknown?]

But the standard of living is significantly higher now. The homes are larger, there are 2 cars in the garage, everyone has a phone+plan, there are TVs in every room, waaaaaay more shit in the house.

Go back to the 50's and look around. Only a FRACTION of "the stuff" we have today. So while I agree in principle that the "working man's" income has not kept up, there has been a significant "stuff inflation" to go along with currency inflation.

Technology is created to improve humanity, it's always been to make things easier for man. Yes, we have better technology and knowledge now but a house is no longer equivalent to a years worth of wages for an American and that's not simply because it's "bigger and better". Not to mention the quality of all the stuff has gone way down, so while we have more "stuff" it's way cheaper(as in poorly made) than before. Those bigger houses are built with cheaper materials, cars are built more poorly, appliances are trash, furniture is particle board. Things were built to last, now they're built to be tossed because repairing it would cost 80% or more of a new one. It seems you are saying that if we just built smaller houses and bought less stuff we would be closer to how things used to be but having a small house and buying less stuff does not come close to granting you the ability to raise a whole family on a single income with the same lifestyle like before. That is is due to stolen purchasing power from currency debasement.

Neither you or Uknown are properly applying economic lingo. There is no such statistic known as "purchasing power". Purchasing power parity is a stat that compares standards between countries. Both real median income and that have increased, not stagnated.

As for Gen Z house problems... well, blame chronically low interest rates, Gen X and older millennials who want to make a profit on their properties. Also, lifestyle inflation - just with housing, the average size has more than doubled since prior to mass workforce feminization and the amenities are just on a different planet.


You make this out like the number of employers and therefore jobs available haven't increased alongside the number of people in the workforce.

I know that things are bad right now, but was only 4 years ago that people were not going to work across the west because of stimulus checks and only 10 years ago when everything was really on the up and up in terms of getting jobs.


Trades are relatively well paid because the vast majority of the labor market, men included (and I mean, 75-80+%) do not aim to wTrades are relatively well paid because the vast majority of the labor market, men included (and I mean, 75-80+%) do not aim to work them combined with being societally necessary. Also assorted union and government contract stuff.

"Economic lingo?" I think that right there is where you are missing the point. If you're going based off of standard economics, that has all been written by bankers and is piss poor. Saying there is no way to measure "purchasing power" is the same as saying there is no way to measure inflation.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

I've got to ask, Married with kids and stay at home mothers or not? I'd be happier as a stay at home dad if the wife went out and did all the modern work environment crap and I just sat around most of the day once the kids were old enough to go to school.

As someone that has multiple kids and work - I cannot imagine what a shit life it has to be to be a SAHD or SAHM. I'm sorry, 90% of taking care of kids is not fun or glamorous. You also need time alone from them.

 

[poodaddy]

I've seen videos of people saying their 3 year old is gay.

That is absolutely insane.

This reminds me of when I was in high school and everyone thought it was "cool" to be bi. That shit disappeared shortly after but in today's world, it's just reinforced.

It's honestly terrifying to see how these agendas are pushed to the kids these days, I mean I utterly despise it. It's not about transphobic or homophobic, it's about encouraging children to have a normal, healthy development cycle and to focus on being a goddamn child. No child should even have a fucking concept of what gay or straight or anything else is, they should be focused on improving their cartwheels to try and become a Ninja turtle, climbing trees and pretending they're monkeys, and having incredibly epic water gun fights. It is absolutely heartbreaking to see little children having their childhood stolen from them just to reinforce some weak parent's agenda biases.

 

[poodaddy]

A family just moved out of our cul-de-sac. Their 11-year-old daughter and 5-year-old son were playing with my boys who are 4 and 2. At one point the daughter told my wife and I that she's "pansexual."

The fact that an 11 year old girl even knows the word pansexual is proof undeniable of unfit parenting.

 

[Beretta]

It's honestly terrifying to see how these agendas are pushed to the kids these days, I mean I utterly despise it. It's not about transphobic or homophobic, it's about encouraging children to have a normal, healthy development cycle and to focus on being a goddamn child. No child should even have a fucking concept of what gay or straight or anything else is, they should be focused on improving their cartwheels to try and become a Ninja turtle, climbing trees and pretending they're monkeys, and having incredibly epic water gun fights. It is absolutely heartbreaking to see little children having their childhood stolen from them just to reinforce some weak parent's agenda biases.

Exactly, questions should be arising when they are older and start learning about themselves and discovering their sexuality, none of this bullshit of children having drag queens reading books to them or cartoons with transgender characters in it, especially cuz it's not subtle stuff. I grew up liking "guy stuff", I have brothers, no sisters, I was simply a tomboy. If I were a kid now and had the type of parents that are out there, they would be racing to the doctor to get me surgery. Crazy stupid.

 

[12Goblins]

A common narrative has it that commitment and motherhood make women unhappy

I'm confused - who is saying this?

 

[DrFigs]

I thought the narrative was that women want both a fulfilling career and home life and that there is a trade off. Not that women want to be lonely.

 

[poodaddy]

Exactly, questions should be arising when they are older and start learning about themselves and discovering their sexuality, none of this bullshit of children having drag queens reading books to them or cartoons with transgender characters in it, especially cuz it's not subtle stuff. I grew up liking "guy stuff", I have brothers, no sisters, I was simply a tomboy. If I were a kid now and had the type of parents that are out there, they would be racing to the doctor to get me surgery. Crazy stupid.

You sound exactly like my wife with her upbringing, and she's expressed similar sentiments towards being glad she wasn't being raised today as she feels she would have been pressured into believing she's something that she's not.

These are crazy times to raise a kid in, I'm extremely fortunate that my kid ended up immune to peer pressure, and I've seen it with my own eyes. When people try to convince her of something and she knows she's right, she holds her ground hard lol. She is her mother's daughter -_-, love the little shit, but she's clever and she knows it, which is both irksome and endearing in equal measure, but I digress....

I think children's media is being inundated with odd concepts that they really shouldn't be engaging with at a very early age, and I think this can be applied to a lot of content on YouTube, Netflix and other streaming services as well. Kids are being made aware of extremely confusing concepts by very influential people, and it's honestly warping much of this generation, unfortunately.

 

[Nocty]

Maintaining intimate relationships with loved ones increases happiness, and by proxy, longevity. This is medically proven with many animals, and people are no exception. Not sure why we need a bunch of washed out journalists to tell us this.

Yeah it's quite true. Almost every woman I got along the most with were in a marriage or long stable relationship. Having a kid will certainly bring a person down to earth, at least most people...But before that there seems to always be a sort of tension between the sexes

I've a bud that is on his 4th long term relationship - the first 3 ended because he was not ready to have kids and the women didnt want to 'wait'.

The one he is with now agreed to not have kids at 28 or so, now shes 30 she has changed her mind and they are arguing like hell and the writing is on the wall imo.

I think my buddy needs to grow up personally, he wants kids but doesn't want the commitment they bring and that is a big red flag for most women that he cant seem to see. I've argued with him about it lots, he always jokes about how I have no time etc cause I am a dad now but then he sees how happy my wife is and was like 'you guys never argue about the stuff me and her argue about' and cant seem to put the logic together.

My reaction is always the same 'told you so'

The body clock on women is a real, hormonal changing and tangible thing. I've always been of the belief that were evolved to reproduce instinctively, so going against that causes a lot of problems for women physically and mentally. Have you ever noticed how unstable and woke genre women are when they don't have children? it's like they lose their minds.

 

[ProtoByte]

Purchasing power is a real term, you did 2 minutes of googling, found only results about PPP and now pretend to be an expert.

I only searched purchasing power to see if I was missing something. I was not. I do not claim to be an "economics expert", but I know more than you.

Case in point:

Real median income when taking into account inflation, house prices and other factors has nosedived and it shows, people can barely afford life nowadays even in households with 2 incomes, stop trying to deny what's right in front of our eyes

If you understood what real income meant you would not have said the bolded - real income takes inflation into account by definition.

And also, you are patently incorrect. No matter when you compare today's stats to anything in the 20th century.

Real Median Personal Income in the United States

Graph and download economic data for Real Median Personal Income in the United States (MEPAINUSA672N) from 1974 to 2023 about personal income, personal, median, income, real, and USA.

fred.stlouisfed.org

Government contracts exist in a SHITLOAD of jobs.

Yes, it's disproportional in trades.

Also, thanks for informing me that workers in jobs are aren't oversaturated organize better and more efficiently to avoid being exploited

The government, oversaturated and feminized as it is, is also good at organizing and "avoiding being exploited". Or (in some people's view) "exploiting the situation".

Technology is created to improve humanity, it's always been to make things easier for man. Yes, we have better technology and knowledge now but a house is no longer equivalent to a years worth of wages for an American and that's not simply because it's "bigger and better".

You are correct that that's not the only reason. The other reason is overly permissive and chronically low interest rates that inflated the market beyond salvage. The primary beneficiary of which was the "working man".

Not to mention the quality of all the stuff has gone way down, so while we have more "stuff" it's way cheaper(as in poorly made) than before. Things were built to last, now they're built to be tossed because repairing it would cost 80% or more of a new one.

If you buy explicitly cheap shit in the name of consooming beyond your means in increments, sure.

It seems you are saying that if we just built smaller houses and bought less stuff we would be closer to how things used to be but having a small house and buying less stuff does not come close to granting you the ability to raise a whole family on a single income with the same lifestyle like before. That is is due to stolen purchasing power from currency debasement.

But you keep on saying "the same lifestyle" when it just isn't correct.

"Economic lingo?" I think that right there is where you are missing the point. If you're going based off of standard economics, that has all been written by bankers and is piss poor. Saying there is no way to measure "purchasing power" is the same as saying there is no way to measure inflation.

If there is any objective way to define "purchasing power", it is real income. Ie nominal income adjusting for current price levels. Staple of classical economics.

But the bolded gives up the goose. It used to be that the antiwokes would ridicule the spurning of well established economic principles in favor of their conceptions of how things should be. Now we're seeing a horseshoe effect on the subject.

There's little further discussion to be had if you're just going to throw out actual data and definitions on the false premise that it was all dreamt up by "bankers".

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Wow so it turns out human nature and human instinct really can't be erased so easily huh

Every mammalian species on Earth instinctively wants to reproduce and then care for the young individuals of the species

I for one am shocked that the same people who want to change the genders of children and force men to play women's sports also can't understand this

 

[winjer]

Feminism might be the toxiciest movemment against humanity. Because most of them are unhappy people that say to other people "if I can't be happy, so nobody else".
I doubt theres a single women with common sense that doesn't love having and taking care of their own children. Specially when most of them are stay on home type of women.

The problem is the Third wave Feminism.
First wave Feminism movement started in the late XIX century, to give women some rights. At a time, when most women had little to none.
It was very important for creating a modern, developed society. And I doubt anyone in he re would argue that women shouldn't have the same rights as men.

The real problem arouse a couple of decades ago, when Third wave feminism gained traction. And this was no longer about equal rights, but mostly about hating men, family and traditional values.
It literally destroyed our societies from the inside out. Now birth rates are on a record low on all developed countries. Marriages are also very rare. Divorce rates are on an all time high.

 

[HoodWinked]

crazy that it was published by The Atlantic

 

[Klosshufvud]

What makes whoever made this study believe the women who didn't marry would end up happier as married? This is why sociology and Humanities studies are a joke. It's all observations without meaning. Everyone is just interpreting data as fitting of their own beliefs and biases. One could easily argue that unmarried women generally aren't as happy being with people as married ones, or that the unmarried women can't find a suitable husband even if they really do want a husband.

Questionnaires measuring happiness are also flawed and have huge bias, and something as culturally intrinsic as marriage is bound to have huge cultural bias. Blaming unhappy women on feminism is like blaming unhappy men on the MAGA incel cult. It's all just assumptions derived from one's own perceptions. Studies can never map out personalities, just measurable quantities.

 

[RJMacready73]

Fuck me I am shocked, literally shocked that being in a loving relationship with an equal partner and having a family unit makes you happier than being childless and alone... Who would've thought having someone who'll always have your back and a purpose in life makes you happy...

 

[Bojji]

I only searched purchasing power to see if I was missing something. I was not. I do not claim to be an "economics expert", but I know more than you.

Case in point:


If you understood what real income meant you would not have said the bolded - real income takes inflation into account by definition.

And also, you are patently incorrect. No matter when you compare today's stats to anything in the 20th century.

Real Median Personal Income in the United States

Graph and download economic data for Real Median Personal Income in the United States (MEPAINUSA672N) from 1974 to 2023 about personal income, personal, median, income, real, and USA.

fred.stlouisfed.org

Yes, it's disproportional in trades.


The government, oversaturated and feminized as it is, is also good at organizing and "avoiding being exploited". Or (in some people's view) "exploiting the situation".


You are correct that that's not the only reason. The other reason is overly permissive and chronically low interest rates that inflated the market beyond salvage. The primary beneficiary of which was the "working man".


If you buy explicitly cheap shit in the name of consooming beyond your means in increments, sure.


But you keep on saying "the same lifestyle" when it just isn't correct.


If there is any objective way to define "purchasing power", it is real income. Ie nominal income adjusting for current price levels. Staple of classical economics.

But the bolded gives up the goose. It used to be that the antiwokes would ridicule the spurning of well established economic principles in favor of their conceptions of how things should be. Now we're seeing a horseshoe effect on the subject.

There's little further discussion to be had if you're just going to throw out actual data and definitions on the false premise that it was all dreamt up by "bankers".

Watch this video:



Prices of meaningful stuff (houses, health, education) - much higher
Prices of bullshit stuff - much lower

Current world is amazing... for millionaires and billionaires.

 

[Sonik]

If you understood what real income meant you would not have said the bolded - real income takes inflation into account by definition.

And also, you are patently incorrect. No matter when you compare today's stats to anything in the 20th century.

Real Median Personal Income in the United States

Graph and download economic data for Real Median Personal Income in the United States (MEPAINUSA672N) from 1974 to 2023 about personal income, personal, median, income, real, and USA.

fred.stlouisfed.org

I like how you bolded only the part that suits your argument and ignored the other factors, the fact is that a single worker in the 50s could comfortably support an entire family, now 2 can barely do it. This is the real standard, not cooked government numbers that imply that the real income has almost doubled, which is a preposterous lie if you think about it just for a second. People can't even pay their bills and groceries ffs

You really overplayed your hand with that one because if anything it shows how fake government numbers are

 

[SJRB]

A concept every human from every corner of the earth has known for millennia has been undone by a few decades of liberal retardation.

Congrats, you fucked yourself and literally everyone else by moving the needle towards a double income as the household status quo so there's no going back.

 

[Bojji]

A concept every human from every corner of the earth has known for millennia has been undone by a few decades of liberal retardation.

Congrats, you fucked yourself and literally everyone else by moving the needle towards a double income as the household status quo so there's no going back.

Birthrates dropping, I guess 1/5 young people identifying as LGBT won't help them, lol:

LGBTQ+ identification is increasing, especially among young people, with Generation Z adults identifying at rates around 20-30% in the U.S. and about 10% of young adults in the UK. Over the years, there's been a marked rise in young adults identifying as LGBTQ+, with recent U.S. data showing around 1 in 5 Gen Z adults identifying as such in 2023. This trend is reflected in changing societal attitudes, which are becoming more accepting of diverse sexual identities.

We are in late roman Empire stages - society in decay and barbarians invasions.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Good for women. I personally don't care about marriage, especially kids. Theres like a ton of healthy relationships that have no children and just signing a piece of paper does not make that relationship valid or happier, that just stupid. All that matters is respect and love for each other.

 

[Aesius]

The feeling some women must have when they reach a certain age and realize it's too late for them must be crushing.

I've been happily married for 13 years. It's hard work like anything in life but totally worth it, especially with kids. Can't imagine living alone the older I get.

I would imagine it really starts to kick in around age 45 or so. At that point fertility has dropped to zero, menopause is just around the corner or already starting, and their friends with kids are long past the diaper changing and toddler tantrum days and are enjoying seeing their adolescent/teensage children reach major life milestones.

Not saying that to dunk on childless women (or men). Having kids is expensive and difficult. It seems logical in many ways to just forgo it completely, especially during your 20s and 30s when friends, travel, career, and "me time" seem more important.

But eventually, all of those start to become less and less important and even grow stale, and your own family starts to grow distant. Parents' health starts to fail/they die, and siblings become busy with their spouses and children. Gotta be a brutal realization for the people who actually weren't 100% steadfast on NEVER having children (but instead just procrastinated until it was too late) to hit their mid-40s and realize they will never have a family.

 

[Saber]

Birthrates dropping, I guess 1/5 young people identifying as LGBT won't help them, lol:

The most well know free tv news on my country (Globo) made not long ago an entire article celebrating both the decrease of birthrates in Brazil and the increase on amount of lesbian relationships(not gay relationship, specifically lesbian). Even people in the commentaries were absolute crazy why governement doesn't do anything about this channel.

 

[jason10mm]

I think my buddy needs to grow up personally, he wants kids but doesn't want the commitment they bring and that is a big red flag for most women that he cant seem to see. I've argued with him about it lots, he always jokes about how I have no time etc cause I am a dad now but then he sees how happy my wife is and was like 'you guys never argue about the stuff me and her argue about' and cant seem to put the logic together.

He should just stick to being the rebound guy for newly divorced moms. They (should) be keeping new men the hell away from their kids, both for the kids safety and the emotional toll a break-up will cause. I've dated a few moms, the hardest by far was the one who added her kid to our relationship, that break-up was brutal. The rest, you just accept you are the fun dick till they get over their previous relationship (or don't).

 

[jason10mm]

Birthrates dropping, I guess 1/5 young people identifying as LGBT won't help them, lol:

I think this is by design.

The global human population growth is ASTRONOMIC in the 20th century, totally unsustainable at any kind of good quality of life.

so the only real solutions, other than a massive and catastrophic famine/die off, was to reduce the birth rate. Alas, we went with LGB and environmental toxins versus female education, birth control, and 2 kid/family type solutions. So the result is the educated/industrialized world is shrinking, and Africa/south asia is suppling people for everyone else.

 

[Bojji]

I think this is by design.

The global human population growth is ASTRONOMIC in the 20th century, totally unsustainable at any kind of good quality of life.

so the only real solutions, other than a massive and catastrophic famine/die off, was to reduce the birth rate. Alas, we went with LGB and environmental toxins versus female education, birth control, and 2 kid/family type solutions. So the result is the educated/industrialized world is shrinking, and Africa/south asia is suppling people for everyone else.

Caucasians will be engendered species few decades from now, real minority full of LGBT people.

India and Africa are following the same trends (declining birthrates) but they are way behind developed world. This video explains why importing immigrants won't change shit in the long run:



We should just accept the fact and adapt to lower number of people (humanity is great in adaptation).

 

[Nocty]

He should just stick to being the rebound guy for newly divorced moms. They (should) be keeping new men the hell away from their kids, both for the kids safety and the emotional toll a break-up will cause. I've dated a few moms, the hardest by far was the one who added her kid to our relationship, that break-up was brutal. The rest, you just accept you are the fun dick till they get over their previous relationship (or don't).

Depends on the type of person you are I suppose.

I am far to introverted for the casual sex relationship thing personally, Your breakup with a kid involved is like my idea if hell, I hate emotional baggage like that, I think I'd rather choose to stay single forever than have to deal with that lol.

I love my own kid obviously, but other peoples kids drive me utterly insane.

 

[Unknown?]

1) If you understood what real income meant you would not have said the bolded - real income takes inflation into account by definition.

Real Median Personal Income in the United States

Graph and download economic data for Real Median Personal Income in the United States (MEPAINUSA672N) from 1974 to 2023 about personal income, personal, median, income, real, and USA.

fred.stlouisfed.org

2) But you keep on saying "the same lifestyle" when it just isn't correct.


If there is any objective way to define "purchasing power", it is real income. Ie nominal income adjusting for current price levels. Staple of classical economics.

1) That chart proves nothing about "real" wages. That's based on highly manipulated statistics and back when that chart started they used different methodology to determine inflation. If you use the methodology used in the 1980s you get a VASTLY different result(see www.shadowstats.com) whether that method is more accurate or not. It also doesn't include housing, it over-weights entertainment, it excludes food and energy, it uses hedonic adjustments/basket substitutions(The way that it's supposed to work [to my understanding] is that the consumption of a particular product decreased, so the CPI lowers the weight of them in the CPI. Since the product gets so expensive and people can't afford it, they reduce the % so it doesn't have as much impact.) make everything look artificially cheap. Price Inflation doesn't happen uniformly either, it ripples outward from the Federal Reserve in a process known as the Cantillon Effect.

2) You're too hung up on the "lifestyle" part. Maybe it's the wrong word for it but just having more stuff does not equal to people having better wages at all.

The truth is that real wages have not gone up with productivity like it should and historically has, real wages have stagnated compared to GDP and I don't believe for a second that real wages are up. The dollar is being debased far faster than wages are increasing.

 

[Toons]

The response to this feels more like confirmation bias. Tho I dont think the stat is without merit, I dont think the reduced amount of married women is because "feminism " either lol

 

[Toons]

Fuck I want you to be wrong so bad but I don't think you are at all, and it really breaks my heart to look at the world my daughter is inheriting.

Fun fact: My daughter has a friend group of 8 kids. Of the 8, her and a friend are the only straight girls in the whole bunch, the other 6 are various shades of lgbtq-whatever else. I'm not saying this as a homophobic thing mind you, a lot of these kids are at my house all the time and I treat them as family and let them eat all my goddamn yogurt snacks and my wife cooks tofu, steak, burgers, what have you for em all the time, they're good kids, seriously. With all that being said, it doesn't really matter how good they are, that's not the point.....if three quarters of a small friend group in central Maine are gay, what does that say for other demographics across the country? What does that say for the future of the human race?

Something has infected the minds of our children, and I'm doing everything in my power to keep it from happening to my little girl, who is my entire world. Fortunately, she's too damn smart to be taken in by trends and agendas, as she just laughs at it all, but I shudder to think of what this country is going to look like from a population standpoint in about forty years. This is so much more of an issue than people realize.

I will repeat for effect:

This is a MASSIVE issue for the future world population, and absolutely NOTHING is being done to address it. I'm not intelligent enough to figure out how to solve the problem, but I'm smart enough to see the writing on the wall, and it is not good at all lads.

Alright then, enough doom forecasting from me, there's enough of that going around these days anyway. Sorry for getting into the weeds there fellas -_-, I just worry about things sometimes, and I spend far too much time worrying about what the world will be like for my daughter when I'm not here anymore.

I don't know.

My guy.

You are living in a time when we have age of consent laws, women can leave marriages if they don't want to and men can be arrested for raping their wives.

Wasnt that long ago that those were not guarantees. I think we should not take those benefits for granted instead of worrying about whos sleeping with who. Because also, there's always been gay people. A whole friggin lot of em.l and all parts of other fetishises, In positions of power too. They just didn't call it that.

Its foundation like your daughter has friends. Thats more than many you people or even older people can say these days. Thats worth something.

 

[Beretta]

The feeling some women must have when they reach a certain age and realize it's too late for them must be crushing.

I still have a very small glimmer of hope only because I know a friend who is the same age and is currently pregnant, my sister in law got pregnant at almost the same age, and I have another friend who's last kid she had at 44. That's really all that keeps me hopeful. It's the worst feeling and I feel like a failure even though it's not my fault but still, it's how my mind works. What gets me even more about it is I know someone who is a totally useless mother who's worked literally exactly 1 day in her life and has 5 children, she just lives off their baby bonuses. One kid is all I ask for. Garbage like that has 5. It's wild the way life works.

 

[Klosshufvud]

The response to this feels more like confirmation bias. Tho I dont think the stat is without merit, I dont think the reduced amount of married women is because "feminism " either lol

Yes it's like how ill-intended women blame the loneliness of men on incel online radicalization. Even that is generally a symptom of underlying conditions and traits. Loneliness is a complex thing to talk about, it's not always self-inflicted either as some would think ITT. It can be pretty grueling on the dating scene and I reckon a ton of both women and men just give up after repeated unsuccessful attempts. Dating apps have made things harder for a lot of people too, not easier. Also a person carrying personal demons may find it even harder in a relationship, something that also requires dedication and sacrifice.

 

[Toons]

Yes it's like how ill-intended women blame the loneliness of men on incel online radicalization. Even that is generally a symptom of underlying conditions and traits. Loneliness is a complex thing to talk about, it's not always self-inflicted either as some would think ITT. It can be pretty grueling on the dating scene and I reckon a ton of both women and men just give up after repeated unsuccessful attempts. Dating apps have made things harder for a lot of people too, not easier. Also a person carrying personal demons may find it even harder in a relationship, something that also requires dedication and sacrifice.

I mean there's just a metric ton of factors that contribute to general happiness to where it cannot be reasonable boiled down to any one thing in good faith.

The economy is friggin terrible to be starting families right now, almost night and day to how it was like 60 years ago or so. The things that contribute to a healthy marriage stopped being taught effectively, people can't communicate well snd so don't commit. They'd rather have a longtime bf than a husband or same for a gf. People are forced to work longer hours to support themselves, which reduces the amount of time they can spend developing or starting relationships. Public venues for leisure time are being reduced, businesses want you in and out to maximize profitability, you're encouraged to stay home to do everything from entertainment to grocery shopping... less places to meet people and mingle.

You can't just pin it on feminism snd say that's the problem it's wildly reductive. Feminism has been around for like 100 years at this point. Women were still getting married well into the age of women actually being allowed to have their own money and such. Theres external factors there that affect both men and women

 

[violence]

Common sense suggests that cat ladies are not as happy as married women.

 

[Wheeljack539]

A common narrative has it that commitment and motherhood make women unhappy

I'm confused - who is saying this?

I remember a decade or so on GAF, probably early 10s or so when this was in it's infancy that a poster had made a thread of a study that marriages made people miserable and how people were happier being either by themselves or in open relationships. This was followed up with post after post of GAFfers that "agreed" with that calling marriange outdated and generally mocking things that were traditional.

Now I look back and that and more than wonder if that article was done by design to get people to think about it or set in stone those whose thoughts were already on that track.

 

[JimmyRustler]

Oh look, it's the motte and bailey fallacy again that feminists love to abuse. First they brainwash women with ideas of sRrOnG iNdepEndeNt wOmEn being the happiest and coolest while portraying housewives and mothers as some pathetic, miserable slaves for decades and when they get called out it's all about "respecting women's choices". Same with equality, they constantly attack men, portray them as rapists, advocate for a society that ruins men's lives with mere accusations with their #metoo bullshit that have done irreparable damage to society and gender relations, blame them for all of society's problems and when they get called out they retreat to the motte of "we only want equality!"

Enough with the intellectual dishonesty, we've had enough

This comment is so good, a simple like doesn't do it.